I respect that ibob. Gandalf gave you some good options on bottled organic nutes if you want to go that route. If you want to skip the bottles and dig further in to this shoot me a pm and I'd be happy to help you out. There are plenty of knowledgeable peeps here that will help you, but I still feel it's important to get a couple runs under your belt and get a feel for your ladies.i will not put chemicals in my grow thats what i feel strong about. and no u are not coming off dushy i need the advice! i mean i kinda understand soil microbiology. cant i just get away with using fish emulsion and other ograngics. ive seeen all kinda organic fertilizer. im willing to sit down and learn all this 100% if u point in the right direction. thanks man
Use Fox Farms line of Nutes id grab the Grow Big , Tiger Bloom, and Big Bloom. Happy Frog has alot of goodies already there id let em go 3 weeks unless they show signs of hunger or stress.
You guys are kidding right?Brotha, I don't want to sound like a dick but my advice would be to buy a couple small bottles of synthetic nutrients (Fox Farm Grow Big and Tiger Bloom would be fine) and get the basics of growing down first. Get a feel for your plants, when to water, how much to water, dealing with pests (you will get them), etc. Measuring out a few ml's of a nutrient is much easier to do than building a soil and developing an understanding of soil microbiology.
Again, I don't mean to sound like an ass, and I definitely think that growing organically is the way to go, but if you are interested in harvesting these plants and getting a feel for what you're doing you might be best picking up a couple jugs of synthetics and following the directions on the bottle
"You guys are kidding right?"You guys are kidding right?
Firstly, the FF Trio isn't all organic, Big Bloom is and that is it. FF has dry organic nutrients under the Happy Frog and Peace of Mind labels (I don't use them).
You could just go out and buy something like Espoma Bio-Tone Starter Plus, or another Tone product. These are widely available products; you can top-dress with them.
Otherwise buy a full organic liquid line if you must, such as Earth Juice (Grow, Bloom, Catalyst, MFP) along with some lime for the soil or the General Organics box. Teas don't have to be complicated either (many threads on this subject).
We are talking about throwing some compost in a bucket with an air stone, molasses, and possibly some guano, kelp or alfalfa meal. It isn't exactly rocket science. Not to sound like an ass.
Not knowing how, when, or how much to water is far more problematic when dealing with a living organic soil. There are no wet-dry cycles. The soil needs to be consistently moist, otherwise the microbes would remain dormant, or at least very inactive and all of the organic inputs in the world wouldn't do a damn bit of good. There is much more room for error when using synthetic nutrients. I don't care what you say contrary to that.Also was responding to Firstoffallen, about the FF trio not being fully organic.
And no, no, actually the microbes are already in the Bio-Tone (hence the name of the product) and other tone products.
Organics is not (or doesn't have to be) any more complicated than you want to make it. Nobody really needs to "start off using synthetics", that is bs.
Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah Blah. I simply don't believe that. Learn to water properly. Moving on. And you do realize a lot of the microbes just go dormant, form spores, endospore, cysts, that sort of thing? Soil dries out all the time outside, during periods of drought.Not knowing how, when, or how much to water is far more problematic when dealing with a living organic soil. There are no wet-dry cycles. The soil needs to be consistently moist, otherwise the microbes would remain dormant, or at least very inactive and all of the organic inputs in the world wouldn't do a damn bit of good. There is much more room for error when using synthetic nutrients. I don't care what you say contrary to that.
Grow Big is not 'organic' whatsoever. Tiger Bloom is derived partially from bat guano, worm castings, synthetics and synthetically chelated micronutrients. You will notice that Tiger Bloom says "organic-BASED". There is no organic matter in Tiger Bloom (nor in Grow Big). Check out the ingredients list. Refrain from using anything with EDTA in it.bro if you readthe backof fox farms soil mix the fertilizer is organiclol its liqoud organi fertilizer i was just at the garden store today and on the back of the fox farm grow big tiger bloom and big bloom it said uses 100% organicslike bat guano and worm casing liquified though
Is there a problem with simply agreeing to disagree? I've been growing for a minute, and those are my observations. Soil and synthetics are more forgiving. Not saying it's the best way, just the easiest. You are entitled to your opinion, but I'm sure we can find a way to disagree in a respectful manner.Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah Blah. I simply don't believe that. Learn to water properly. Moving on. And you do realize a lot of the microbes just go dormant, form spores, endospore, cysts, that sort of thing? Soil dries out all the time outside, during periods of drought.
Having read Teaming With Microbes you should realize that plant roots produce exudates to nourish microbes in the rhizosphere, where it counts. A little bit of under watering shouldn't devastate a crop. Mycorrhizae should, theoretically, allow you to water less. Underwatering will cause problems with hydro\synthetic nutrients. You may see 'deficiencies' when the problem is dry spots.
I simply refuse to believe that one method is any easier, in the long run, than setting out to do what you wanted to do in the first place (organics). There is always going to be a learning curve when you are fresh into something.
Grow Big is not 'organic' whatsoever. Tiger Bloom is derived partially from bat guano, worm castings, synthetics and synthetically chelated micronutrients. You will notice that Tiger Bloom says "organic-BASED". There is no organic matter in Tiger Bloom (nor in Grow Big). Check out the ingredients list. Refrain from using anything with EDTA in it.
Big Bloom is their ONLY 100% organic liquid nutrient. You'll notice it has a low-NPK, and it contains organic matter (not a straight liquid which pours like water).