Haze Harvest - a few pounds of 1200w vertical weed

[Prawn Connery]

Indeed - took ya time!


hyroot, you're not jacking the thread - I'm here to learn as much as you. I haven't read DJ's book - I haven't alwasy been his biggest fan, to be honest - so I was surprised to hear the Hindu Kush described as a "hot desert". It's cold and high and dry - google some images. Yes, it is a bit of a "desert" (dry), but that's where its comparison to the Sahara probably ends.

And indeed PAR is what it's all about - no argument there. But growing is also about compromise: making the best of what you can find where you can find it. LEDs are still in development; ceramic metal hallides only come in 400w; and even CFLs haven't been around that long in the grand scheme of things.

When it comes to light, nothing beats the sun. Unfortunately I don't have a fusion reactor in my back yard . . . and the laws being what they are, I can't grow in the open.

 

[Prawn Connery]

The original skunk was a lot more sativa (75 per cent) than people associate typical "skunks" (50 per cent) with today. Back in the day, we didn't have a lot of respect for indicas, as the high was lethargic (we liked the psychadelic, trippy Thai high - especially here in Australia), they were susceptible to mold, and they stank! (Not a good trait when you are growing outdoors and don't want someone to know!)

Of course, very few of us were growing successfully indoors in those days (early 80s), so we didn't really appreciate indicas for their hybrid potential.

 

[Prawn Connery]

Catpiss Haze time . . . Catpiss #1 on the left, and #2 right. And a bud in the middle. Stinky Catpiss Haze is very mould-resistant, so none at all this time.

Here's a bit closer (bit out of focus) - #1 in front, #2 behind

And the official weight? Catpiss Haze #1 (the plant in the photo on the first page) came in at 306 grams (311g-5g for the bag), or just a bee's dick under 11oz. Anything over 10oz for this strain in this setup is pretty good.

Catpiss Haze #2, however, was a bit average - 233 grams, or just under 8.5oz.

So with a total Catpiss Haze harvest of 539 grams - 19.25oz - with the Swiss Bliss and Cal99, that makes 917 grams, or 32.75oz so far.

Which happens to be just over 2lb. Pretty good guess, eh?

 

[Prawn Connery]

But wait! There's more!

Pulled two of the indicas out yesterday, both Calizahr x Schnazzleberry. These were grown from seed and the cross was done by a very lovely Canadian couple who are friends of Chimera and also did the Cal99. Chimera's Calizahr is Cali O x Breeder Steve's Shishkaberry, and Schnazzleberry is Blue Domino (Craig's Skunk x DJ's Blueberry) x Shishkaberry.

Unfortunately, seed grows can be a bit unpredictable . . . In this case, CalSchnaz #3 turned out to be a real runt. I might be lucky to get 2-3oz off this plant. Plants like these are really a waste of space . . . but you don't know that until you grow them out.

CalSchnaz #1 fared a bit better. There might be 5-6oz there.

And here they are together (which makes them look a bit better, LOL!). This is going to put a dent in my 3lb from 1200w target, making it probably unlikely to achieve. But I should still squeeze past the 1g/watt mark (fingers crossed).

The worst thing about indicas in vertical set-ups is they rarely make use of all your head height. But if you squeeze them in-between a couple of big, tall sativas (like the Catpiss haze), you can try to make the best of your space.

 

[Prawn Connery]

But I've got one more plant up my sleeve . . . which is the biggest CalSchnaz. For some reason, this one seems to have had a second burst of pistil growth and started to fatten up just when I thought she might be close to finishing. That could be the Cali O, though I don't know much about the original clone. Shishkaberry is a pretty fast finisher. If I get half a pound off this plant, I will be very happy. But again, I may be pushing it. . .

Note the fan leaf burn near the lights. I get that with every vertical grow, but it doesn't hurt the buds.

You can also see the next generation of Schnazzleberry#2 plants. These are also from seed (Chimera originals) and they have just gone into 12/12 after most of them started preflowering. You can see how I induce a bit of stretch in my seedlings (under a 250MH, not seen here) to get them to grow tall. This works well in a vertical setup, as most plants will really start to fill in the gaps if they have half-decent genetics. Once they go under the big lights, the nodes grow a bit tighter.

This is actually a med grow for my wife: Schnazzelberry #2 is Blue Domino x DJ's Blueberry and is supposed to be very good for pain relief and sleep. Being 3/4 Blueberry, I am not expecting these to yield that well, but I've so far been surprised at the way some of them are handling their nutes. A couple of them - in true Blueberry form - burned themselves on a very modest nutrient diet, while many of their siblings have shown signs of wanting more. It must be the Craig's skunk in them.

 

[MrMeanGreen]

Seems like a couple of people have been doubting my "few pounds" claim. So here is a shot of some of the near-dry bud hanging up after being cut and trimmed. I say "some" because there are four out of seven plants hanging here - the other three are still in the cabinet and will be harvested in a day or two (the indicas in the previous pix).

Each plant is separated by a peg. The longest branches are over 2 feet. Going by past yields (40+ over the 10 years I've been growing vertically), there's an average of just over half a pound (8oz) per plant. Left to right: Stinky Catpiss Haze 1, Stinky Catpiss Haze 2, Swiss Bliss, Calizahr x C99.

And to the doubters?

They don't grow vertical, so they don't know shit . . .

Nah there aint 8 oz between pegs. Not a chance unless it aint dry.

1.3 GPW, proves nothing........ how long did you veg and what did you veg under and how long did you did you flower??

Don't get me wrong, lovely grow and great product but yr givin it large like some god.

 

[Bigtacofarmer]

Its all about perspective, you can't tell if those branches are a foot long or three feet long. I say at first glance the number seems really high. But I see nothing it the picture to compare it to. If the average length is 2 or 3 feet I would totally believe it! And for two 600's that yield is good but not super awesome. For a 4x4 room though, considering keeping it cool and not burning up the buds and making big things happen in small place he is kicking all kinds of ass!

 

[Bigtacofarmer]

Also awesome strain choices. Not your average closet growers strain list. Way to not grow stumpy indicas just because they are easier in a small room!

 

[Prawn Connery]

Nah there aint 8 oz between pegs. Not a chance unless it aint dry.

1.3 GPW, proves nothing........ how long did you veg and what did you veg under and how long did you did you flower??

Don't get me wrong, lovely grow and great product but yr givin it large like some god.

Do you have reading comprehension problems? I've just pulled 2lb of dried, trimmed bud from that lot. That's what this whole thread is about!

Oh dear. You post pix. You weigh it out on scales. You put it up for all the world to see. And still some numpty comes along and says "Nah . . . not a chance."

Come back and talk to me when you know how to fucking read.

 

[Prawn Connery]

So with a total Catpiss Haze harvest of 539 grams - 19.25oz - with the Swiss Bliss and Cal99, that makes 917 grams, or 32.75oz so far.

Which happens to be just over 2lb. Pretty good guess, eh?

Honestly, what the fuck is wrong with people? It's three posts up!

 

[hyroot]

do you ever reuse your coco and if so did you have issues with it? I tried coco once and when I reused it I had cal and mag and potassium issues galore. have you ever tried a water only soil mix like super soil or something similar? i did super soil for a while and over time adjusted it and changing ingredients to make it more simple and less animal products. which imo made the weed smoother and better quality and way more frosty. I mean vs subs recipe not coco. im thinking of trying coco again on a couple plants. to see if i can improve yield and keep the same quality...

 

[Prawn Connery]

No, I haven't grown in soil for a long, long time. I use an organic hybrid nutrient in my coco, which has an organic Part A and a chemical Part B to provide missing micro nutrients and balance. I also use silica, because that's the one thing soil has in abundance that coco doesn't (although there is a little bit of silica in most tap water). So my coco set-up is basically an organic hydro system with an inert medium (coco coir).

I used to reuse my coco until I ended up with a fungus gnat plague one time. Obviously I had a few gnats to begin with - which I either ignored or missed - but as I kept reusing the coco (up to three times), the gnat eggs/larvae built up. It was also a bit time-consuming, separating some of the rootmass and flushing the used coco between grows.

These days it's cheap enough to buy good, new coco and throw the used stuff on the garden as mulch, or mix it in with soil for the veges and potted ornamentals. Coco actually conditions better with age (up until the point where it starts to break down into finer particles, which don't drain as well and lose some of their aeration properties), so if you have the time to flush and reuse it, it can work well.

 

[Prawn Connery]

And for two 600's that yield is good but not super awesome.

It could be better, I admit. But I'd love to see your 3lb 1200w grow.

 

[hyroot]

No, I haven't grown in soil for a long, long time. I use an organic hybrid nutrient in my coco, which has an organic Part A and a chemical Part B to provide missing micro nutrients and balance. I also use silica, because that's the one thing soil has in abundance that coco doesn't (although there is a little bit of silica in most tap water). So my coco set-up is basically an organic hydro system with an inert medium (coco coir).

I used to reuse my coco until I ended up with a fungus gnat plague one time. Obviously I had a few gnats to begin with - which I either ignored or missed - but as I kept reusing the coco (up to three times), the gnat eggs/larvae built up. It was also a bit time-consuming, separating some of the rootmass and flushing the used coco between grows.

These days it's cheap enough to buy good, new coco and throw the used stuff on the garden as mulch, or mix it in with soil for the veges and potted ornamentals. Coco actually conditions better with age (up until the point where it starts to break down into finer particles, which don't drain as well and lose some of their aeration properties), so if you have the time to flush and reuse it, it can work well.

I've been doing living organics so I reuse my soil over and over and each time it gets better because of all the beneficial bacteria, fungi, and enzymes... More frosty each time. I've tried various method. lst, main lining, basic topping and super cropping. I seem to get the best yields doing the christmas tree style. Just let the plant to do its own thing. Veg time is shorter with that too. But outside I have to lst to keep them short.

I don't know if this works for coco. A couple years ago I had a gnarly gnat problem. I tried everything under the sun. Then I found on accident the cheapest thing that works. Compost (no poop). Bugs do not like compost. Except for predatory mites. they love compost. But they only eat other bugs then die off once their food source is gone. There always seems to be some predatory mites in almost every bag of compost I buy.. People argue the validity of this with me so much. All I can say is it works. I have not had a single bad bug in 2 years. No flyers or anything....

Here in Cali coco cost more than any soil. $20+ for 1.5 cu ft/. I buy pro mix soil $31 for 6.6 cu ft then add my amendmants.

 

[MrMeanGreen]

Do you have reading comprehension problems? I've just pulled 2lb of dried, trimmed bud from that lot. That's what this whole thread is about!

Oh dear. You post pix. You weigh it out on scales. You put it up for all the world to see. And still some numpty comes along and says "Nah . . . not a chance."

Come back and talk to me when you know how to fucking read.

Listen big pants, you can shout, scream and cus as much as you like. I already gave you your credit for a nice grow and final product so put your dummy back in. You quoted "8oz between pegs", I comprehend that perfectly, I just don't believe it.

Are you going to tell me how long you vegged for and what you vegged under??

 

[hellraizer30]

I re-use my coco, all i do is pull the root ball out and double dose of cannazyme for 48hr the rinse
spread some greatwhite in the hole and transplant into the hole super easy, guess you could call
it a no till method!

 

[hyroot]

Use coconut powder dilute it in water or fresh young coconut water instead of canazyme. Its cheaper. Organic . Full of much more enzymes and minerals too. And you can drink it too. Or make an enzymes tea with malted barley flour

Powder and flour 1tsp per gal

Fresh coconut water 1/4 cup per 5 gal.

 

[Prawn Connery]

You quoted "8oz between pegs", I comprehend that perfectly, I just don't believe it.

Are you going to tell me how long you vegged for and what you vegged under??

What part of 917 grams don't you understand? That is what was hanging on that line - dried, trimmed and weighed in front of you. Or is your maths as bad as your English? 4 plants x 8oz average equals 32oz - 2lb.

Now read the thread, fuck off, or be prepared for an argument - your veg questions have already been answered.

EDIT: I'll give you the benefit of one doubt - those buds had been hanging almost a week when I took that photo, and were almost dry. That was mentioned at the time, but you obviously missed it . . . Or maybe you didn't, because you quoted it.

 

[Prawn Connery]

Anyone else who wants to raise the lack of a standard or quantification of the 1g/watt formula, I'm happy to discuss civilly.

But please, don't come here, read one post and expect me to repeat this whole fucking thread.

The whole point of this thread is not to tout the world's greatest grower, but to show what can be done in an efficient vertical set-up - something I've been playing with for almost 10 years now. Whether you believe my scales or not, I don't really care.

 

[MrMeanGreen]

What part of 917 grams don't you understand? That is what was hanging on that line - dried, trimmed and weighed in front of you. Or is your maths as bad as your English? 4 plants x 8oz average equals 32oz - 2lb.

Now read the thread, fuck off, or be prepared for an argument - your veg questions have already been answered.

EDIT: I'll give you the benefit of one doubt - those buds had been hanging almost a week when I took that photo, and were almost dry. That was mentioned at the time, but you obviously missed it . . . Or maybe you didn't, because you quoted it.

I didn't miss anything. You quoted an average of 8oz dried per plant and each plant is seperated by a peg whilst drying. I am not questioning your overall yield, I do not doubt 54oz, I was simply saying that there was no way 8oz between each peg.