Haze Harvest - a few pounds of 1200w vertical weed

really nice growing! love the way you use the vertical method. talk about a space saver. GL

Smells and tastes just like sweet and sour catpiss - everyone around here loves it!

I used to use a formula of 1oz/litre for pot sizes (coco), but the Catpiss Haze has thrown that out the window. All my other strains yield a maximum of 8oz per 8 litre pot. The grow before this one, I harvested a 15oz Catpiss in one of those pots. I'd been getting close to the pound the past few grows - 10oz, 12oz - but that one was just under. Sometimes I wonder how much I would yield if I mono-cropped for commercial bud, but I prefer to grow for myself and divvy the rest up amongst friends.

My clones usually have about four or more weeks of veg after rooting, but I only use a 250 MH for vegging and a very weak nutrient solution so I can time things right. I deliberately slow them down in veg and try to induce a bit of stretch before putting them in the flowering chamber so I can use my full 6' head height. Obviously I top the Catpiss Hazes before they go in, and the tops become the new clones. The other strains I take clones off side branches, but they don't always get rotated, so sometimes I have them vegging for a month or two before I take clones. Any unused plants I give to friends.

Vegging for longer gives the root mass time to grow which makes all the difference come flowering time. As soon as they go into the big pots in the flowering chamber, they take off like rockets.

Your plants are awsome! I remember picking up Catpiss from the clinic and the smell was so strange yet delicious. Any more girls growing right now?

Yep. The next run is a Schnazzleberry#2 seed run (just went into flower yesterday). Big fan of Chimera and Breeder Steve. And dues to DJ Short for creating the foundations - even though I don't think much of his F13 and other untested strains that were put on the market for big $ (and big disappointment).

My Catpiss is actually a Haze backcross created by Luc at Paradise Seeds. I've tested a lot of strains for him over the years, and he's a great guy and one of the top Dutch breeders, IMO. The Catpiss was originally named "Sweet Haze" by Luc. My Catpiss pheno was the only one of its type out of two dozen females (all the rest were sweet, like their name). It's a recessive trait, as I've never been able to get the catpiss to show up in any of my crosses with it. But you can sometimes find it in other haze varieties.

Sweet Haze never made it to market, but a related strain did: Paradise Seeds Atomical Haze - http://paradise-seeds.com/en/cannabis-seeds/atomical-haze.html

I don't want to seed pimp, but everything of Luc's I've tried has been good to outstanding. Sensi Star, Swiss Bliss (now discontinued) and Nebula are all right up there. Dutch Dragon is a very good learner strain that is easy to grow and rewards with good yields, a nice head high and a lovely tangerine smell and taste.

Some of Luc's best efforts never made it to market due to hermaphrodite issues: Super Sensi Star (Sensi Star x a select Super Silver Haze clone) and Nebulaze (Nebula x Super Silver Haze) are legendary in my circles (and others who tested the strains). Unfortunately, the SSS had a tendency to seed itself and other plants around it, so I had to get rid of it.

I'm soaking some Wappa feminised seeds at the moment, and those will be going into a friend's 3000w commercial grow.

No hard feeling PC

wise one once said you can take a horse to water but you cant make it drink!

Dude, I'm a crustacean - my shell's as thick as they fucking come!

All are welcome to post in this thread - dissenting views encouraged. No-one ever learned shit by agreeing with everyone else . . .

Prawn Connery said:

Yep. The next run is a Schnazzleberry#2 seed run (just went into flower yesterday). Big fan of Chimera and Breeder Steve. And dues to DJ Short for creating the foundations - even though I don't think much of his F13 and other untested strains that were put on the market for big $ (and big disappointment).

My Catpiss is actually a Haze backcross created by Luc at Paradise Seeds. I've tested a lot of strains for him over the years, and he's a great guy and one of the top Dutch breeders, IMO. The Catpiss was originally named "Sweet Haze" by Luc. My Catpiss pheno was the only one of its type out of two dozen females (all the rest were sweet, like their name). It's a recessive trait, as I've never been able to get the catpiss to show up in any of my crosses with it. But you can sometimes find it in other haze varieties.

Sweet Haze never made it to market, but a related strain did: Paradise Seeds Atomical Haze - http://paradise-seeds.com/en/cannabis-seeds/atomical-haze.html

I don't want to seed pimp, but everything of Luc's I've tried has been good to outstanding. Sensi Star, Swiss Bliss (now discontinued) and Nebula are all right up there. Dutch Dragon is a very good learner strain that is easy to grow and rewards with good yields, a nice head high and a lovely tangerine smell and taste.

Some of Luc's best efforts never made it to market due to hermaphrodite issues: Super Sensi Star (Sensi Star x a select Super Silver Haze clone) and Nebulaze (Nebula x Super Silver Haze) are legendary in my circles (and others who tested the strains). Unfortunately, the SSS had a tendency to seed itself and other plants around it, so I had to get rid of it.

I'm soaking some Wappa feminised seeds at the moment, and those will be going into a friend's 3000w commercial grow.

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that Schnazzleberry#2 sounds tasty.

so no chance of this catpiss strain going out clone only like the bdream?? you could sell out n make a bucket lol.

is your commercial 3000w mate doing a diary on here lol, i think its about time those of us outside the usa got to see start to finish whats going on behind the groom door!!!???

Prawn Connery said:

Smells and tastes just like sweet and sour catpiss - everyone around here loves it!

I used to use a formula of 1oz/litre for pot sizes (coco), but the Catpiss Haze has thrown that out the window. All my other strains yield a maximum of 8oz per 8 litre pot. The grow before this one, I harvested a 15oz Catpiss in one of those pots. I'd been getting close to the pound the past few grows - 10oz, 12oz - but that one was just under. Sometimes I wonder how much I would yield if I mono-cropped for commercial bud, but I prefer to grow for myself and divvy the rest up amongst friends.

My clones usually have about four or more weeks of veg after rooting, but I only use a 250 MH for vegging and a very weak nutrient solution so I can time things right. I deliberately slow them down in veg and try to induce a bit of stretch before putting them in the flowering chamber so I can use my full 6' head height. Obviously I top the Catpiss Hazes before they go in, and the tops become the new clones. The other strains I take clones off side branches, but they don't always get rotated, so sometimes I have them vegging for a month or two before I take clones. Any unused plants I give to friends.

Vegging for longer gives the root mass time to grow which makes all the difference come flowering time. As soon as they go into the big pots in the flowering chamber, they take off like rockets.

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i really like the sound of that thinking, obv the internet tells us a 10ltr is the minimum to grow a plant, so thats what i had in my head n like i said ive dabbled in co..co....

Lemon king said:

so no chance of this catpiss strain going out clone only like the bdream?? you could sell out n make a bucket lol.

is your commercial 3000w mate doing a diary on here lol, i think its about time those of us outside the usa got to see start to finish whats going on behind the groom door!!!???

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Nah, I'm a personal grower who ends up with shitloads more than he can smoke every couple of months because he can't resist growing out lots of different strains, LOL! Maybe one day when it's legalised here in Australia I'll be able to make a proper living - and help whoever I want - from the one thing I love.

My commercial mate isn't interested in grow logs - he's in it for the cash. He doesn't have the same love for the plant like we do. I try to get him a bit more involved by telling him it will be better for his bottom line . . . and because I just like playing with plants. Maybe I'll take some photos of his set-up one day.

fair dos, dont let any koala's near ya buds, or ya barbie! lol

you adjust PH every 2 days

are you a scientist ?

I just read through this thread, and I have to say that I am impressed! F#*king great grow! My hat is off to anyone pulling 1g/w. It is not as easy as it sounds! Any grower would agree. Love the catpiss haze!

Pet flora, why are you posting as if your competing with this guys grow or as if your short plants are better I don't get it. If he's being a jerk in your thread for no reason just use the report button.

growingforfun said:

Pet flora, why are you posting as if your competing with this guys grow or as if your short plants are better I don't get it. If he's being a jerk in your thread for no reason just use the report button.

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Thing is prawns posts are non offensive! And would only seem offensive to a jealous type

Nice haul PC! 1.3gpw huh..not to shabby..ehh.. who am I kiddin, great f'n work man!

PetFlora said:

Here are a few pics from my grow technique that you blasted in my thread.

The drain line in the rez is on a swivel so I can divert it instead of draining back into the rez.

I monitor pH & ppms every 2 days and adjust accordingly

Inside each netpot is a 4" net pot where the clones were first placed. As they grew, I then dropped them into the 6" net pot. The netpot lid is placed over a 4 liter Air Pot, which contains lava rock. I will write about lava rock in more detail in my next post here. But, it is fast draining.

The Halo Drip Rings are positioned roughly 4" above the surface to increase splash and coverage throughout the 6" netpot.

Due to the lava rock nutes quickly cascade through and out, The roots love it

I will also discuss why these clones are so short compared to PCs.

Ain't this fun?

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Son, you are way out of your depth. You are welcome to keep posting here, but you are only going to embarrass yourself even more. People can make up their own minds as to who is being childish and who was trying to help (as I was in your other thread).

The ironic thing is I felt sorry for you: I looked at your thread, admired that you were doing something different, but wondered why no-one was posting in it.

Now I know why people don't post in your threads: because you're a whiny little spoiled brat who will never learn from those with experience - because you're too proud to listen.

For example, you only need to set your pH initially in a hydro or coco grow, as it will naturally rise in a healthy system. This is normal and is beneficial to the plant, because various pH levels make different nutrients more or less available. Plants store mobile nutrients in their leaves, so when one nutrient becomes more available, it takes it up and stores any excess. As other nutrients become more available, it does the same. The plant regulates its own uptake and storage to remain in equilibrium.

Keeping your pH at the same level all the time is actually counter-productive if you are seeking to maximise growth and yield.

This is the Vertical Growing forum, and I notice you are using horizontal LEDS. I believe LEDs are the future of growing, so good on you for being an early adapter.

But your Halo Drip Ring idea is a waste of money: we have been making halo ring drip systems out of rubber hose for eons - they cost $1 in materials at most.

The fact you are using lava rock instead of another medium shows you don't fully understand how capillary action helps to keep roots moist and deliver nutrient in a drip system. Nothing wrong with it, but there's a reason most hydro growers use hydroton in such systems.

You are making a few other novice mistakes, but I don't want to be too critical of your grow because, frankly, I don't want to waste the energy!

I also don't want to crush your ego too much, because good growing is about confidence and knowing you are doing the right thing . . . or reacting in a timely fashion when you discover things aren't going to plan. One should never go into denial if a grow isn't going well: you put your head down and try to figure out what the problem is - then fix it. Same goes for trying to increase yield: learn from others and use what works, but be brave enough to try different things - think out of the box - until you find what is most efficient for your set-up.

Trailblazers led us to where we are and keep us moving forward. I greatly admire trailblazers. Unfortunately, I was a little misguided to think you were one of them. You may yet turn out to be a trailblazer, but you first need to understand that you don't know it all. And neither do I.

The difference between you and I is that I am always willing to listen to someone else's ideas - even if their not the solution I'm looking for. That's just plain courtesy and respect for your fellow grower.

When you grow up, you will understand these things.

hellraizer30 said:

Thing is prawns posts are non offensive! And would only seem offensive to a jealous type

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First people, this reply is from the mod I politely asked to remove PCs posts, so what business does he have taking sides, or calling someone (me in this case) jealous in public. So you see, the community has a problem.
Anyway...

PCs first post which involved several very large photos- sign of overcompensating no?- that would have been helpful had I not already been using adjustable valves, but due to his cursory reading of my thread, he missed it (perhaps my photos are too small-lol). And so he entered my thread as a..., well pick your own adjective.



Here is his intro into my thread. You decide how courteous and big his ego must be




Is there anything to keep the roots moist during the off time? Most recirculating drip-ring systems I've tried and know of either run 24/7 or have at most 15-minute breaks between watering to prevent the roots drying out and dying. Usually, the more you water the better your results.

I love innovation and people who try new things, but the whole idea of trying different things is usually to find out what works best that hasn't been tried before.

Obviously I'm curious about the reasons behind your set-up and what you're hoping to achieve. Maybe if we all have a better understanding of that, we can try to help out by sharing experiences.

For example, if you really want to a run-to-waste system - and not a recirculating system - then I can understand a bit more why you are doing things the way you are. Of course, coco works much better in run-to-waste systems, but there might be a compromise with your system to make it work better than it is. Don't get me wrong - it is working the way it is - but we all like to make things better . . .

One tip I can offer is to use a bypass valve or tap to control your flow, like this one:

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The way to set it up is similar to the diagram below. Ignore the arrows for a minute and imagine the shutoff valve in this diagram is your pump and the grass/ground is your reservoir. The pump pumps nutrient solution from the reservoir up to a T section, where one branch goes to the grow (right pipe) and the other to a tap (left pipe or "faucet"). Water takes the path of least resistance, so if you turn the tap on, water will flow out of it back into the reservoir. If you turn it off, the full force of the pump will go to your plants. If you turn it half-way, you can control the amount of flow. I do exactly this with my set-up (will try to take pix later). The water diverted back into the res has the added bonus of creating a waterfall effect which aerates your nutrient solution - which is why I don't run bubblers in my tank.


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The other advantage of using a control valve is that as your reservoir runs low, gravity (the weight of water on top) does not assist the pump as much, so you find the water pressure from your pump drops as the water level in your res drops. This also makes it hard to control the exact flow. With the bypass system, you simply turn the tap off little by little to decrease the bypass and increase the pump flow to the plants. It would be quite easy to create a 24/7 drip system this way that drops just enough nutrient solution to feed your plants and keep the roots moist (in a "drip, drip, drip" way), while allowing your reservoir to hold enough water and also create a true run-to-waste system where the runoff is disposed of, but is not too excessive.

A bypass valve also allows you to control water flow without continually trying to guess what pump size you need for different applications.

PC reading your reply, it seems you have not read my thread (see post 35), although it is a very brief explanation

This is my twist, taking cues from 4 grows using hpa. Here roots hang in no medium, they are fed periodically by atomizing mist heads. Timing is critical. If root chamber temps are high and feed intervals too far apart, then roots do not develop well. Neither does root hairs, which are what separates HPA from every other grow method. Root hairs are the key to explosive growth.

Alas, root hairs are extremely environment sensitive. Controlling the internal temp is impossible during 6 months+ of summer heat, unless the room is under 24/7 ac.

So I asked myself, how to create a RH friendly environment, using a more 'conventional' method.

Lava rock is the key, as it stays damp + has lots of nooks and crannies that trap droplets of nutes between feedings. BINGO. Root hairs have a vg environment upon which to thrive. Plants grow healthy. Nuggz are nice and fat

I ran an earlier version side-by-side with HPA on another grow site. This version is much better

I'm not having any problems with it, so do not need help.

Ideas of course are welcome


But he wouldn't go away. The idea that someone would politely say

1. You didn't read carefully
2. Was politely told to GO AWAY

This must have gotten under his not so thick skin, but not through to his big and thick head


PCs reply complete with 5 very large photos begins as follows:

LOL! You've pulled a knuckleduster on a guy with a tank . . . I'm not one for pissing contests, but here's a glimpse of my harvest from last week: 3+ pounds under 1200w.

You don't know anything about oxygenation - that's plain to see - but certainly I wouldn't be bragging about 4.29 WET ounces from your last grow. My pounds are dried and trimmed, BTW.

You come across as quite rude and a little arrogant for someone who doesn't know much about growing. Especially when someone who's been doing it for 30+ years simply offers to help. I'll let your readers make up their own mind who they think knows what they're talking about.

Peace out

The thing is I am growing under 324 watts (another oversight of his) and as I stated in the beginning of my thread there were issues adjusting to the Halo Rings, so posting pics presumably grown under 1200w is childish at best.

I have 2 different grow tents and mistakenly used results from my LED tent, which was grown under < 120w. Here are a few pics of my results under 432w of HOT5s, using my first gen attempt at feeding from the top with low pressure mist heads. Total of 5 plants, I gave the biggest one away to someone that I owed $$$$. I did not bother to take a weight total






He proceeded to post multiple replies all with huge pics of his impressive results (no denying he can grow extremely well), as though they were proof of his superior abilities.
Once again I asked him politely to go away,
Another of his 'helpful posts
Noobs count wet bud - no-one else does. Please, stop embarrassing yourself. You can't even do maths. (Hint: how many ounces to the pound? Don't go editing your post . . .)

I'm going to leave you alone now, because I can see you're simply digging yourself deeper and deeper and it was never my intention to ruin someone else's thread or show up a novice. Go and get your advice from Uncle Ben. And while you're there, pass on my regards to him and the missus. [/I
and Hellraiser has no issues with his replies? ]


Now the breeder, Polyarcturus, happens to drop in and catches PCs unfair comparison, and properly calls him out...

i hate when people claim "pounds" and dont get me wrong prawn thats a big plants but that wasnt pounds. more like a pound which is realistic for what that looks to be. 6ft tall plant 3 main buds that are a few zips each and a lot of good sized buds a popcorn makes it look like a little over 1lb to me. probably around 20-21 zips. and for 1200w that normal.

PC replies - not Polyarcturus in a PM, as he should have but as follows, again with another large picture


I promised the mods I wouldn't post in this thread again. But I deserve the right of reply. How many zips are in this photo, poly? That's four of seven plants harvested so far under 1200w of vertical lights. There's over 2lb of dried bud here, and another elbow (lb) in the cabinet behind that will be cut down tomorrow or the next day.

All I wanted to do was help a guy. Now I've got people coming out of the woodwork trying to attack my grows. What would you do?


I responded that he should have handled that in a PM, and once again asked the Hellraiser (mod) to remove his posts.

Anyone bothering to read this can decide for themselves whether I am jealous.

I assure you, the only thing I am jealous of is how he makes his pics so big, but then I do not need to overcompensate.

In closing (for now) both he and the mods have left me no choice but to retaliate. Well, I could just suck it up and go away, but in fairness to anyone following him I think you should know

There seem to be a few quotes missing from that lot. What happened to this one?

PetFlora said:

PC you come across as a scholar who never grew the first plant. Head full of programming, no practical experience. An experienced grower like myself can spot the difference.

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What about the one where you claimed you could grow 40oz of wet bud in your setup and then said that was 4 pounds and vastly superior to anything anyone else could produce?

Isn't it funny how all your petulant posts suddenly disappeared from that thread . . . Poor little man. You keep on posting here if it makes you feel better. Mummy still loves you.

PetFlora said:

(perhaps my photos are too small-lol).

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Your photos are a perfectly adequate size.

I think it's your anatomy rather than your photography which is the problem here.