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LadyZandra
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You already answered the $1000 question...
Miracle grow TABLETS are NOT for cannabis!
They WILL overfeed, burn and kill your plant.
Get them OUT of the soil if they haven't dissolved yet--
then slowly pour a couple of gallons of room temperature water thru the soil to leach it out (called flushing)
In a couple days- replant her into a larger pot with some organic soil....even Miracle-grow All Organic is decent.
Then you need to find something from the list below to feed her properly-- I am assuming you used what you did due to limited availability-- so I've limited the list to things you can get at Lowes/Home Depot/walmart/ Garden Centers etc...
Good Luck Hun![FONT="]these are the charts I have available... and after- is help for those of you who- due to resourses- must use Miracle grow (or schultz/Peters) Or Fish Ferts.
REMEMBER! These Are GUIDELINES! You need to use a meter (ph and ec/ppm) so that whatever the effect YOUR water has on the nutes is apparent, and you can adjust the amounts you use to Your system & water!!![/FONT][FONT="]
This Lists the BASICS needed to use most readily available Brands (and a few of the extras-- but there ARE more!) and both a weekly schedual (dirt & hydro IF you change the water weekly) and Phasic feeding for bubblers.
Phasic shedules can be followed for soil-- but do not work as well!
[/FONT][FONT="]ALL MEASURES ARE PER U.S. GALLON / 3.785 LITERS...[/FONT][FONT="]
Hope this helps!!!
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[FONT="]NOTE ABOUT FLUSHING!!![/FONT][FONT="]
If growing in Soil, you usually Start flushing (running clear water thru the soil to rince out the un-used nutes) 2 weeks prior to harvest. This is nessisary to force the plant to use it's stored nutes & protiens, that otherwise result in harsh or grassy product.
But flushing also OFTEN results in losing yield; since you will reduce the available nutrients to the plant during the last 2 weeks of growth when the plants usually put on the most weight.
Simply STOP Nuting at whatever week you are at when time to flush.
IF you use the Ememrgency flush method, follow the entire schedule until the plants are ready to harvest.
[/FONT][FONT="]Fish Fertilizer[/FONT][FONT="]
This is for the use of Alaska brand Fish Fertilizer, and Alaska Kelp Fertilizer-- But other brands of Fish Emulsion and Organic nutrient that is JUST P & K with NO "N" value will work also.
Start The FIsh Ferts at 1/2 recomended rate when the plants have 3 sets of true leaves... after week 2 of veg, go to 3/4 stregnth...
When ready for 12/12-- you need to get some Alaska Kelp fert* (-- it is just P-K... add this to your 3/4 stregnth Fish Ferts at 1/4 stregnth... and use this blend thru the bloom period...
IF she seems to need more-- feed more often instead of increasing the amounts... with this fert , that seems to work better.
You will probably need additional micronutes-- so I would call around, or go online for EarthJuice Microblast... use at 1/3 stregnth every week.. as the Fish ferts arent complete with all the micro's needed.
*or another No Nitrogen Organic
ESPOMA NUTES :
Espoma is a brand of dry, granual organics used mostly in outdoor in-ground growing, but CAN be used at a lesser rate to enrich the soil of container plants.
It is marketed as Plant-tone, Veg-Tone, Holly-Tone, Rose-tone and Flower-tone.
You will want to get Veg-tone and Flower-tone... If flower-tone is not available, use Just the veg-tone.
For in-ground,prep your planting site, adding 1/4 cup of the Veg-tone to the hole you dig for the plants (at least 18 inches wide and 12 inches deep- the soil fluffed and back In the hole when you add the Espoma)
... or in containers, use 2 tablespoons in 5 galons of soil.
When the Plants Begin to bloom, use the Flower-tone as a top dressing according tot he bags directions, and gently rub into the soil around the plants so i doesn't wash away in the rain.
You MAY use the Fish-Fert Schedule along with the Espoma, but reduce the feedings to every other week.
FOR MIRACLE GROW NUTES :
If you really MUST use Miracle Grow Nutes or Soil cuz there isn't anything else available (cost can't be a reason, MG is about the same price as some organics !)
THEN USE THIS GUIDE PLEASE!!!
(enough for 2-3 plants .. just use more jugs for more plants!)
Get regular miracle grow (Not tomato or Rose food or azalea formula!)
AND Blossom Booster (or Schultz Professional Bloom food)
get 2- 1 gallon jugs of spring water from the store (about $1 each)
and an empty jug. Mark them (A) (B) & (C) --- (B) is the empty jug!
in the 1st jug (A) mix the MG at 1/4 the recomended rate for indoor plants.
In the 2nd jug (C), mix at 1/2 stregnth for indoor plants.
pour 1/2 of both into the empty jug (B)
Now-- when your plants get their 3rd set of leaves, feed once every 10 days. Start with (A) for the 1st 2 feed... then (B).. and end-up with (C) the week before you go 12/12.
FLUSH YOUR PLANTS WITH 5 GALLONS OF CLEAR WATER BEFOR GOING 12/12!
MG builds up-- and will lock-up as you add the stronger bloom nutes!
as the final part of the flush-- pour in a couple pints of your new bloom nutes (see below)
Do the same with your bloom nutes, Mix ahead in larger amounts... BUT--mix Jug (A) at 1/2 rate, Jug (C) at full stregnth-- and (B) the 2 mixed.
Start with (A) the 1st day of 12/12, then again in 10 days,
then switch to (B). Do not switch to (C) until the week before you flush for harvest!
when the trichomes just start turning cloudy, give em their last dose. In 10 days, check the trichs again.. if not all cloudy, you can feed again-- But go back to (B)
MAKE SURE TO FLUSH WELL AND WAIT THE FULL 2 WEEKS TO HARVEST!
You need to flush all the Nitrogen and magnesium out of the plants-- so Flush them well, put back in the bloom room the full 2 weeks till harvest, water as needed .. but absolutely no nutes or foliar sprays!
IF you foliar fed during the grow-- be sure to use a sprayer of water to gently shower it off the plants! (also gets rid of dead bugs & dust stuck to the buds!)
USING MG SOIL IS NEVER RECOMENDED!!
it has TIME RELEASED nutes-- so flushing is impossible... and you do not know how much nutes are being released or used by the plants.
If yYou Used MG soil, do NOT nute at all during veg... and use only additional P-K and suppliments without "N" during bloom...
And pre-harvest flushing can NOT be done on the normal 2 week schedule because of the time released nutes-- you must emergency flush when the trichs are how ya want em...
Cut the plant off at soil level. Place plant in a bucket with enough PLAIN tapwater to cover the base, but not touch lower limbs or vegetation....
Add a bubbler to the bucket to help "fool" the plant into thinking it is still alive (this only works up to 4 days before they wilt!)
Tthe plant will now use the nutrients stored in it's system . Leave under the lights at least 2 days-- up to 4 (3 is the usual amount)
IF you are one who puts their plants in the dark the last 3 days, give em at least 24 hours under lights before ya do... the photosynthesis will help the plant flush out unused nitrogen.
When using MG Fertilizer (as well as Schultz or Peter's ) Watch for:
Clawing
brown dry spots
crinckling leaves
pale new growth
Yellowing
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Sir.Ganga
New Member
That has nothing to do with nutrients, burn from to close to light would be my guess. Do you mist? I don't and if I have to I put a drop of dish soap in solution to stop the droplets. I have grown some real nice crops using Mg, ppm meter and a good ph pen will come in handy with lower quality nutrients. Try to keep your lights a little father away. Good Luck.
K J
Active Member
Looks like a problem I had a little bit ago we all determined it was light burn. Mine came from water on the leaves, I'm not sure if that's the case here but be sure not to spray them with the lights on and leave ample time for them to dry until they turn back on. The burns won't heal but they should stay isolated and the new growths won't be affected.
Lemon king
Well-Known Member
You already answered the $1000 question...
Miracle grow TABLETS are NOT for cannabis!
They WILL overfeed, burn and kill your plant.
Get them OUT of the soil if they haven't dissolved yet--
then slowly pour a couple of gallons of room temperature water thru the soil to leach it out (called flushing)
In a couple days- replant her into a larger pot with some organic soil....even Miracle-grow All Organic is decent.
Then you need to find something from the list below to feed her properly-- I am assuming you used what you did due to limited availability-- so I've limited the list to things you can get at Lowes/Home Depot/walmart/ Garden Centers etc...
[FONT=&]these are the charts I have available... and after- is help for those of you who- due to resourses- must use Miracle grow (or schultz/Peters) Or Fish Ferts.
REMEMBER! These Are GUIDELINES! You need to use a meter (ph and ec/ppm) so that whatever the effect YOUR water has on the nutes is apparent, and you can adjust the amounts you use to Your system & water!!![/FONT][FONT=&]
This Lists the BASICS needed to use most readily available Brands (and a few of the extras-- but there ARE more!) and both a weekly schedual (dirt & hydro IF you change the water weekly) and Phasic feeding for bubblers.
Phasic shedules can be followed for soil-- but do not work as well!
[/FONT][FONT=&]ALL MEASURES ARE PER U.S. GALLON / 3.785 LITERS...[/FONT][FONT=&]
Hope this helps!!!
[/FONT]
[FONT=&]NOTE ABOUT FLUSHING!!![/FONT][FONT=&]
If growing in Soil, you usually Start flushing (running clear water thru the soil to rince out the un-used nutes) 2 weeks prior to harvest. This is nessisary to force the plant to use it's stored nutes & protiens, that otherwise result in harsh or grassy product.
But flushing also OFTEN results in losing yield; since you will reduce the available nutrients to the plant during the last 2 weeks of growth when the plants usually put on the most weight.
Simply STOP Nuting at whatever week you are at when time to flush.
IF you use the Ememrgency flush method, follow the entire schedule until the plants are ready to harvest.
[/FONT][FONT=&]Fish Fertilizer[/FONT][FONT=&]
This is for the use of Alaska brand Fish Fertilizer, and Alaska Kelp Fertilizer-- But other brands of Fish Emulsion and Organic nutrient that is JUST P & K with NO "N" value will work also.
Start The FIsh Ferts at 1/2 recomended rate when the plants have 3 sets of true leaves... after week 2 of veg, go to 3/4 stregnth...
When ready for 12/12-- you need to get some Alaska Kelp fert* (-- it is just P-K... add this to your 3/4 stregnth Fish Ferts at 1/4 stregnth... and use this blend thru the bloom period...
IF she seems to need more-- feed more often instead of increasing the amounts... with this fert , that seems to work better.
You will probably need additional micronutes-- so I would call around, or go online for EarthJuice Microblast... use at 1/3 stregnth every week.. as the Fish ferts arent complete with all the micro's needed.
*or another No Nitrogen Organic
ESPOMA NUTES :
Espoma is a brand of dry, granual organics used mostly in outdoor in-ground growing, but CAN be used at a lesser rate to enrich the soil of container plants.
It is marketed as Plant-tone, Veg-Tone, Holly-Tone, Rose-tone and Flower-tone.
You will want to get Veg-tone and Flower-tone... If flower-tone is not available, use Just the veg-tone.
For in-ground,prep your planting site, adding 1/4 cup of the Veg-tone to the hole you dig for the plants (at least 18 inches wide and 12 inches deep- the soil fluffed and back In the hole when you add the Espoma)
... or in containers, use 2 tablespoons in 5 galons of soil.
When the Plants Begin to bloom, use the Flower-tone as a top dressing according tot he bags directions, and gently rub into the soil around the plants so i doesn't wash away in the rain.
You MAY use the Fish-Fert Schedule along with the Espoma, but reduce the feedings to every other week.
FOR MIRACLE GROW NUTES :
If you really MUST use Miracle Grow Nutes or Soil cuz there isn't anything else available (cost can't be a reason, MG is about the same price as some organics !)
THEN USE THIS GUIDE PLEASE!!!
(enough for 2-3 plants .. just use more jugs for more plants!)
Get regular miracle grow (Not tomato or Rose food or azalea formula!)
AND Blossom Booster (or Schultz Professional Bloom food)
get 2- 1 gallon jugs of spring water from the store (about $1 each)
and an empty jug. Mark them (A) (B) & (C) --- (B) is the empty jug!
in the 1st jug (A) mix the MG at 1/4 the recomended rate for indoor plants.
In the 2nd jug (C), mix at 1/2 stregnth for indoor plants.
pour 1/2 of both into the empty jug (B)
Now-- when your plants get their 3rd set of leaves, feed once every 10 days. Start with (A) for the 1st 2 feed... then (B).. and end-up with (C) the week before you go 12/12.
FLUSH YOUR PLANTS WITH 5 GALLONS OF CLEAR WATER BEFOR GOING 12/12!
MG builds up-- and will lock-up as you add the stronger bloom nutes!
as the final part of the flush-- pour in a couple pints of your new bloom nutes (see below)
Do the same with your bloom nutes, Mix ahead in larger amounts... BUT--mix Jug (A) at 1/2 rate, Jug (C) at full stregnth-- and (B) the 2 mixed.
Start with (A) the 1st day of 12/12, then again in 10 days,
then switch to (B). Do not switch to (C) until the week before you flush for harvest!
when the trichomes just start turning cloudy, give em their last dose. In 10 days, check the trichs again.. if not all cloudy, you can feed again-- But go back to (B)
MAKE SURE TO FLUSH WELL AND WAIT THE FULL 2 WEEKS TO HARVEST!
You need to flush all the Nitrogen and magnesium out of the plants-- so Flush them well, put back in the bloom room the full 2 weeks till harvest, water as needed .. but absolutely no nutes or foliar sprays!
IF you foliar fed during the grow-- be sure to use a sprayer of water to gently shower it off the plants! (also gets rid of dead bugs & dust stuck to the buds!)
USING MG SOIL IS NEVER RECOMENDED!!
it has TIME RELEASED nutes-- so flushing is impossible... and you do not know how much nutes are being released or used by the plants.
If yYou Used MG soil, do NOT nute at all during veg... and use only additional P-K and suppliments without "N" during bloom...
And pre-harvest flushing can NOT be done on the normal 2 week schedule because of the time released nutes-- you must emergency flush when the trichs are how ya want em...
Cut the plant off at soil level. Place plant in a bucket with enough PLAIN tapwater to cover the base, but not touch lower limbs or vegetation....
Add a bubbler to the bucket to help "fool" the plant into thinking it is still alive (this only works up to 4 days before they wilt!)
Tthe plant will now use the nutrients stored in it's system . Leave under the lights at least 2 days-- up to 4 (3 is the usual amount)
IF you are one who puts their plants in the dark the last 3 days, give em at least 24 hours under lights before ya do... the photosynthesis will help the plant flush out unused nitrogen.
When using MG Fertilizer (as well as Schultz or Peter's ) Watch for:
Clawing
brown dry spots
crinckling leaves
pale new growth
Yellowing
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should be a newbie sticky!!
Ah okay, I have proceed to make the light higher. Should I cut off the burnt leaves?
fir3dragon
Well-Known Member
Looks like the leaves are wet?
You gave it sun burn. When your wet and under the sun you Burn after awhile.. Plants do too depending on the light u might not need to raise it just quit misting
another thing is unless I'm blind I don't see perlite in soil
You gave it sun burn. When your wet and under the sun you Burn after awhile.. Plants do too depending on the light u might not need to raise it just quit misting
another thing is unless I'm blind I don't see perlite in soil
twostrokenut
Well-Known Member
So the tips of some lower leaves mean light burn? Those aren't the top leaves correct?
LadyZandra
Active Member
What lights ARE you using????
if Floros- definately NOT from the light-
if HID's... make sure that when your hand is held at plant level that you can not feel the heat from the light-- back it off until you barely feel it...
NEVER spray the plants while under the lights!
The plants need to be dry before you turn their light back on/put them back under or they'll get blotchy spots of brown burns...
the burn marks do look like spash burn--
Does not appear to be from just the lights being too close, or the top of the plant would be burnt before the sides started to get that way...
But the almost "too dark" blue/green and the start of downward clawing is typical of Nitrogen overdose.... JMO
if Floros- definately NOT from the light-
if HID's... make sure that when your hand is held at plant level that you can not feel the heat from the light-- back it off until you barely feel it...
NEVER spray the plants while under the lights!
The plants need to be dry before you turn their light back on/put them back under or they'll get blotchy spots of brown burns...
the burn marks do look like spash burn--
Does not appear to be from just the lights being too close, or the top of the plant would be burnt before the sides started to get that way...
But the almost "too dark" blue/green and the start of downward clawing is typical of Nitrogen overdose.... JMO
Draconus87
Member
ok if it was light burn you would see a much more significant area yellowing first as the plant tries to disperse the heat throughout the leaves. this is definitely nute burn IMO, and can also block the uptake of water which is why it looks flat everywhere. you MUST flush them properly or they will get worse and die eventually. but dont take my word for it 
my advice is to flush properly, then dont adjust the light or pot at all, just turn the pot, if the leaves on the other side start dying in the same position then you know its heat damage. but defs flush that shit just to be safe 
EDIT: ^ zandra after reading just remembered how dark i thought the leaves were, defs nutes dude.
my advice is to flush properly, then dont adjust the light or pot at all, just turn the pot, if the leaves on the other side start dying in the same position then you know its heat damage. but defs flush that shit just to be safe EDIT: ^ zandra after reading just remembered how dark i thought the leaves were, defs nutes dude.