Pure psychedelic sativa 12/12 from seed 150W HPS grow

simisimis

simisimis

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So, this is my 4th actual grow. I started growing on august 2012 an auto with epic fails in every department and with 1g of yield, then two grows went quite alright but not what I expected, due to not adding enough lights or reusing soil from first grow thus causing a lot deficiencies which I was unable to control because of the lack of knowledge. Kept reading RIU ever since and learning from the best and still feel like I'm not even a half way there.. However I am positive about my upcoming grow and ready to take stretchy and lanky pure sativa challenge in a very limited grow space.

Beans: ACE seeds "Zamaldelica" and CannaBiogen "Destroyer".

Both are pure sativas, with a 14weeks of flower time. Chose them for psychedelic pheno.

Soil: Gold Label: Special mix
Lights: 150W HPS, 2x25W 2700K cfl, 2x 25W 6500K cfl.
Nutes: Biobizz Biogrow NPK 4-3-6 throughout the grow, Aptus CaMg-boost NCaMg 9-9-2 for Ca mg def and GK organics Seaweed for micros supplement.
Medium: 1x 3gal 1x5gal buckets
Vent: 1 6" clip fan + 2 pc fans
Misc: MicroKote plant container coating for root spin out.

Task: plants cannot get higher than 2.5 foot tall otherwise I'll need another room.
Plan: top it above second node to get 4 main colas after it will grow ~5 nodes and LST to get additional 8 side branches (2 per stem).

Dropped seeds into water on 2nd of May, Sprouted and broke the surface on 5th of May.

1st Zamaldelica as green as it can get :)
2nd Destroyer


Printed myself a garden calendar for easy tracing of watering and feeding dates, cleaned a room. Will harvest two of my C99 in 4 days and keep my Super Lemon Haze for ~2 more weeks with them for a company both benefitting the same lights. Also will try to reveg one of my Cindies cause I really liked the phenos it had.

Ok, now that being said - Let the grow begin!
 
mandy1

mandy1

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sativas- and especially those sativas need lots more than 150w. i run 1k hps and dubi from ace recommended only 2 or 3 plants per light.
 
kushhound187

kushhound187

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Your light is nowher near enough to make this worth it. You could grow one mandala satori, one greenhouse lemon haze or one gh arjans haze no3. only a midget ass sativa would grow under a 150. a fullterm big sativa will produce some wispy ass schwagg buds. tropical pLants need INTENSE LIGHT. No serioussativa can survive off a 150. even a single plant, it will stretch, and just not yeild for shit under that light.and you are vegging with hps. prepare for stretch bro.

im not being mean, but your light will not be enogh. the rest seems fine, but even with full mylar coverage, that light is barley enogh for 3 indicas. i worry for this grow. i wouldnt put more than 1 satori under a 150. id be scarred to try any big ass sativa under less than a 250... minimum
 
kushhound187

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I top but never lst. im not that adventurous.i tried scrog. not for me. i try abd be as natural as possibke.

go kite tho, you are right. tecnicaly its doable. i just think the results would be shakey for such a new grower. im not new to growing, but never tried lst. im scared to try unless someone shows me hands on. Otherwise i stick to what i know.

small sativa hybrids are best for this style of grow. to be honest tho, i wouldnt even touch a 150. smallest i would consider is 250, and i would only contemplate such a thing if i had just got outta the can and all my shit was siezed. other than that, i would never step away feom my 1000 switchable dimms. cant beat em
 
simisimis

simisimis

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yes, i know, light is nowhere near the appropriate, yet i dare to take a challenge :) its 12/12 from seed, it will have 4x25w 6500k above their heads with hps in a background in early stages and some 2700k cfl for side lighting, later all cfl will side light the place and hps above the tops, I lsted my last 2 grows and i really liked the way c99 reacted, except for super lemon haze, it had to be topped first, only then lsted, i might have a lot of problems, i might need to get extra lights, or move to another grow room, but i have a feeling that i am going to yield at least 1oz per plant, and that is something i would be happy with. thanks for the input, that helps me visualize what i am going to face...

They said it can't be done...
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simisimis

simisimis

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Day 4.
Well not much to say, plants are doing ok I would say, healthy-green colored leaves, new growth coming out. Destroyer leaves are a bit wider and color is a bit more bright green than zamal. zamal margins are a bit messed up, maybe some heat stress, although I would really doubt, maybe 37% of humidity, probably next set of leaves will tell me better if she will want anything.. Doing some foliage spray and the very top of soil just to moisten atmosphere around the plant.
Pics: zamal
zamal1.jpg
Destroyer:
destr1.jpg

Today in a grocery store i found some plant feeding for a really cheap price ~$2 per liter. As advertised on package it is for room, balcony and bedding plants. It has N-P-K of 7-3-5 which is way closer to 3-1-2 than Biobizz Biogrow I have(4-3-6). On a packing it says 7% total N consisting of: 1.75% nitrate, 1.75 amonium, 3.5% urea forms of N. 3% soluble P and 5% soluble K.
I wonder if it is any good. cause the price is scarring low. In case the cheap one ratio is better, then I am taking another thing into consideration - on Mel Franks book author wrote that in less intensive lighting N-K ratio should be 1:2 while under 1000W HID or sun around 1:1, if that is true, with my 150W HPS biogrow nutes would be even better.. Again this is just ideas and assumptions.
 
simisimis

simisimis

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Day 10 since seeds sprouted. Because of lack of space in a grow room and I did not have a spare timer, I kept those seeds 24/0 for 5 days and on 11th of May, after I harvested two of my plants, I switched zamal and dest to 12/12. so today is 5th day into flowering. I'll make some pics after I'll get back home. now I'll just drop some observations. Girls look ok, first set of true leaves are a bit wrinkled, maybe because of heat or dry air or some other factors but does not seem to affect the growth. Another interesting thing that is different from other grows is that after chute leaves there went 1blade leaves and after that I was expecting 3blade leaves, but got 5blade instead. Maybe has to do with early flowering, maybe just genetics. In a beginning when plants are not changing that rapidly and I check on them 2 times per day even those small details entertain me :))) Temps are a bit difficult to control, have to keep door open and fan blowing at them to get 75-82F, at night it drops to 63-65F. So far plants did not stretch more than any other seeds I planted before, probably plants are working on their root system, I have 85W of 6500K 1-3" above their heads and 150W hps one foot away.
I ordered GE 150W CMH of 3000K color. I am pretty sure that fs-hps with 2000K made my previous grow stretch like hell, cause even with cfls a grow before I did not have this insane stretch.. Hopefully my magnetic ballast which support hps/mh will work with this lamp.
Also I ordered microkote from ebay. They do not deliver this item to NL, but it does to UK. New challenge of getting this thing at my house, hopefully will get it in 3 weeks before the time comes to transplant...
 
simisimis

simisimis

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Pics of this morning. 6 days into flowering. There is some curly growing at a lower part and some margins curling up. Not sure what it is, but suspecting heat stress. Here are some pics.
Zamaldelica:
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Destroyer:
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simisimis

simisimis

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yeah man, I'm curious too :)))

found today my Aptus CaMg-boost % listing, somebody wrote aptus an email asking for specific details and got this answer:
Aptus CaMg-Boost : 9% N , 9% CaO , 2% MgO + 20% amino-acids

it's just that everything I've read so far everybody talked about macros and micro(trace) elements. But amino acids? are they some sort of alternative to micros, or they are proteins made of micros.. hm, I must not sound very competent.. But if I google I cannot find how amino acids are related with macros or micros. They are used as plant building material, but so does elements..

Also I found very nice alternative at least from specs listing:
Metrop Calgreen : total nitrogen (N) 15.00% - nitrate (N) 12.10% - ammonia (N) 0.90% - urea (N) 2.00% - calcium (CaO) soluble in water 22.50% - magnesium (Mg) soluble in water 3.00% - iron (Fe) soluble in water, chelated by EDTA 0.075% - manganese (Mn) soluble in water, chelated by EDTA 0.15% - copper (Cu) soluble in water, chelated by EDTA 0.060% - zinc (Zn) soluble in water, chelated by EDTA 0.030% - boron (B) soluble in water 0.075% - molybdenum (Mo) soluble in water 0.0015%

but the later one is made for hydroponics. does that still work with organic grow?
 
simisimis

simisimis

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Got so frustrated this morning. 6 days ago I bought from ebay microkote bottle for $10 with $15 shipping cost, it supposed to land in uk, and somebody would ship it to me from there.
2oz bottle+shipping from uk to nl... Yup, that much I care for them :)) And still package was not shipped and I did not get any response from seller... So this morning wrote again to seller and after an hour got a response - sorry, missed your order, will ship today... rofl... my first reply on microkote! and I was already thinking that my english was degrading into engRish... so if everything will go fine, I will be having microkote and cmh lamp within 3 weeks, hopefully I will not need to upcan it before the package will arrive(now they are in 1gal pots).

Plants are doing very well from what I understand "well" is. Destroyer is growing a bit faster, well actually their about the same size, but Dest is with longer side branches. So far no stretching, nodes are quite tight. Will make some pics tonight. can't wait to top them and start training and applying "no yellowing or leaf drop" technique throughout the grow.
 
simisimis

simisimis

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15th day from sprout, 10th into flower:
Destroyer:
dest1.jpgdest3.jpg

Zamal:
zamal2.jpgboth1.jpg

and here's how their side shoots look like:
Dest:
dest2.jpg

Zamal:
zamal1.jpg

As you can see they are about the same size, but dest is growing a bit faster, longer side branches bigger internodes.
 
simisimis

simisimis

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Well I saw on UB topping thread he said top when 4-6 shoots will apear.. From the pic you can see that fourth set of fan leaves is on the way to open, and fifth is somewhere inside. When do you think I should top them? Do not want to do that too early, but I want to do that as fast as possible, so no more energy would be wasted on top growth...
 
simisimis

simisimis

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Kite High said:
Do it now. It will be fine
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nice, will do that after I'll get back from work then. Thanks again

EasyPound said:
Subbed, interested and bet ya we'll be surprised how well he does.... just a hunch.... :smile:
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haha, thanks EasyPound for kind words, they make me feel more confident and motivated

Also got an email from ebay seller that microkote has been dispatched, so maybe I'll get my cmh lamp and microkote in less than two weeks.

Oh and btw, one more observation, my last C99 grow in a 5 gallon pot yielded 1oz, BUT I was amazed by the root ball it had... all 5 gallons were filled with roots... So having proper root ball alone is not enough.. but I'm sure that root ball + maintained green foliage throughout the grow is the key

Peace!
 
Kite High

Kite High

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and light and ventilation and proper temps and proper rh...all of it brother...you have to have all conditions at optimum
 
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