my defoliated vs non defoliated... pictures inside.

[HeartlandHank]

unlike you i didn't take the nodes off of the bottom of the branch and as you can see the defoliating has done it's job.

You would have to explain what it is that I am supposed to see in your pic. What is it that the defoliating has done for you?

 

[Alexander Supertramp]

Fresh2death how many days of veg did those plants get? From bean breaking the ground to the flip to 12/12 that is....

 

[Uncle Ben]

...... I wouldn't expect you to know this... But that dense nuggage on your plant is a result of genetics. That fluff on my plant is a result of genetics. And that below average (productivity) plant that you managed to grow there is a testament to the genetics you have.

Yep, genetics plays a major part, BUT, I'd like to reiterate my position regarding plant development.....chronological aging, apical dominance. There are well defined stages cannabis goes thru, as defined by RC Clarke and others who dissect the botany of cannabis until there is no tomorrow. From a very young juvenile stage to early adulthood, adulthood, flowering, senescence. Like I said before all plants, perennials or annuals, put their energy, their "goodies" into the part that chronologically developed first and/or is the terminal leader based on hormonal responses, apical dominance. No matter how much light you might want to apply to the lower part of the plant indoors, it just isn't going to get what the dominant top part is gonna get, UNLESS, you top it and THEN the new top becomes dominant. This can be seen on outdoor cannabis plants which get total light penetration into the canopy top to bottom.

Another good example - I am in the midst of pruning grapevines which are really beginning to push. Where do they push first? You guessed it, at the very end of last year's canes. IOW, those terminal buds (ends) are getting the food reserves (that have been stored over winter in the roots) first, then the buds break (push) back towards the trunk/cordons in descending order.

The superior production (compared to yours) on my plant is a result of adequate (barely) growing conditions and genetics... The funny thing is, your hit to production was your own doing, time spent in the garden working. You spent time fucking up your plant...My decrease in production is much less than yours AND the result of me spending less time in the garden fucking with plants. I don't baby my shit... because I have better shit to do and I know that all I need to do is give them adequate conditions, not piss on my plants (defol), and let my system/grow room and the genetics do their job.

Amen brother! It depends on how long you've been doing this too. Once the honeymoon wears off with a newbie, they will kick back and stop being a slave to their plants. You'll never see me doing SCROG, "lst", or even clones. Pop a seed, top it, let it grow out naturally and be done with it.

Where cannabis was very important to me in the 60's, I could care less about it now regarding inputs (my time) or production. Been there, done that. I enjoy growing more challenging plant material and find cannabis is so easy and simple to grow, it's a bit boring to me now. For example, I'm having a ball growing tropicals in my greenhouse. We had a fine meal last night which included homegrown asparagus. What a frickin' treat!

as much as you think that your tricks are doing good for your plant.. all you need to do is give the plant a place to stay and try not to fuck it up... you know, like cut the leaves off of it. If you have time to waste, why not do something the plants would appreciate. Maybe clean up a little? Shit, if you are looking to fuck up your leaves, why not save yourself the labor and just introduce some spider mites to your grow?

ROFLMAO!

UB

 

[ricky6991]

Today is day 1 of week 8 ! The buds exploded with thickness all last week. Just seen them today for first time in 4 days. I was nervous i wouldnt reach my 7 i wanted total but after seeing them today and knowing there atleast week left i am feeling more confident.

However, the defoliated plants are still equal to lower nodes on the normal plants. live and learn. It was great lesson for me an my friend. More him than me cause i wouldnt have done it to start just because, but now i know exactly why never to lol... i can say they did begin to grow new calyex on top nugs but nothing compared to other plants. I can honestly say the top nugs compared to the rest should be atleast double its size. Since id say start week 6 it just fell off in growth.

 

[Fresh 2 De@th]

Fresh2death how many days of veg did those plants get? From bean breaking the ground to the flip to 12/12 that is....

damn lame, i thought you had me on ignore homegirl.
if you must know not that long.
here's a little history for you. she and the rest of the seeds that i started around the same time, got caught in the storm NY had not too long ago and sat in wet soil for a week and become waterlogged. processing the genetics (heavy indica on top of being waterlogged) i didn't have any intentions are keeping them, plan was to take cuts and move on, but being the grower that i am and coming from the person who created them (Pisces Genetics), i said fuck it and tossed them into flower at 12in and stunted.
as you can see, even through all the adversity she still came out nice (that's what you call solid genetics grown by a solid grower).

know you and your crew go and take a puff of that commercial/swag that you'll are so fond and think about Fresh does his thing to fuel that hate that you'll got for him.

also since you're so caught up on the size of a plant, good growers don't grow flower out a bunch of unknown's huge, unless one doesn't have anything else to flower out or plan on running them in a tent by themselves. with all the years of growing you and some of these other dweebs should know that by know. i guess growing and smoking all that swag one wouldn't remember such things.

 

[Kite High]

damn lame, i thought you had me on ignore homegirl.
if you must know not that long.
here's a little history for you. she and the rest of the seeds that i started around the same time, got caught in the storm NY had not too long ago and sat in wet soil for a week and become waterlogged. processing the genetics (heavy indica on top of being waterlogged) i didn't have any intentions are keeping them, plan was to take cuts and move on, but being the grower that i am and coming from the person who created them (Pisces Genetics), i said fuck it and tossed them into flower at 12in and stunted.
as you can see, even through all the adversity she still came out nice (that's what you call solid genetics grown by a solid grower).

know you and your crew go and take a puff of that commercial/swag that you'll are so fond and think about Fresh does his thing to fuel that hate that you'll got for him.

you're a joke dude

 

[Fresh 2 De@th]

you're a joke dude

and the same goes to you.

the fact of the matter is, you guys think that if one doesn't grow your way it's wrong or can't grow. i can show you how i do and where i learned from and you will see that you're just a average grower that only talk the shit that you do here. if you would like we can take this discussion at the Farm and you will see that your skills aren't as good as you think they are.
you seen my post addressing you and HH, did you check the links? i think so. do you think you're on their level, you know you're not and that's why i talk the shit i do.

my pics and ability to grow is appreciated everywhere i go. breeders and people that most know on these boards big my shit up, but here you and your band of dweebs say otherwise. so who's really the joke?

oh yeah, if you don't believe the post you quoted, i got everything logged on the Farm as verification.

 

[Kite High]

like i stated to you in my thread, i grow quality and most of the genetics i buy and grow aren't the biggest yielders. my pics speaks for themselves.






check you two, i bet behind closed doors and pms, every sentence starts and ends with girlfriend. Fresh, must be doing something right he got haters hating for all types of reasons.
funny how the last time i posted in that thread was months ago and HH remembers every word i said. HH, don't you find that strange? what you're mad because i told everyone while using dyna gro it only produced mediocre results?
its kind of creepy that you hold on to what i say months ago and bring it over to this thread. i know something was up when you took the chance with those pics. i think someone has a crush on Fresh. just letting it be known, i don't swing that way brother. try your homegirl Kite, you have my complete blessings with that one.

and just to let everyone know, TK posted his nice shots on icmag and they were highly approved by OJD of connoisseur and other established members there. so really don't know why he is even brought up in your beef with me.

suck on this buffoon

Positronics Claustrum at only 5 weeks flower....7 weeks to go..those are 4-6 foot plants

I use Dynagro as it works swimmingly

and for your potency doubts
http://library.constantcontact.com/download/get/file/1102675987015-288/NM_SSH15_2_27_13.pdf


Go play puny god...we hate your ignorance and acting like you know shit when your own words and pics tell us otherwise
Genetics? you do not know shit thinking these crosses you love are anything other than everyday pot...buffoon

 

[Kite High]

and the same goes to you.

the fact of the matter is, you guys think that if one doesn't grow your way it's wrong or can't grow. i can show you how i do and where i learned from and you will see that you're just a average grower that only talk the shit that you do here. if you would like we can take this discussion at the Farm and you will see that your skills aren't as good as you think they are.
you seen my post addressing you and HH, did you check the links? i think so. do you think you're on their level, you know you're not.


here's a pic of a plus size girl for you too
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catch you dweebs later.

LOL... I am one of the dudes on icmag dude... but I go by a different moniker there...whazzup is my friend...so is dubi

Once again you open your mouth and insert your foot

 

[PurpleBuz]

when it's all said and done, defoliating is about removing excess fans to create better light penetration,.

If thats the purpose of defoliating why don't you just give the plant more all around light instead of cutting off whats already producing? You sound like an anorexic with an eating disorder.

 

[Kite High]

that what I do...put light down there...duh

 

[PLATINUM777]

So after reading the entire thread I came to a conclusion to not fuck with my fan leaves. ))) this is the answer I been waiting for.

 

[Fresh 2 De@th]

If thats the purpose of defoliating why don't you just give the plant more all around light instead of cutting off whats already producing? You sound like an anorexic with an eating disorder.

mainly because i grow in tents. what you suggest, moving my reflector all the way to one side to fit another bulb that isn't as intense as the one sitting the reflector is?

the fact of the matter is i do what works for me and defoliating hasn't hurt me one bit. being that i didn't lollipop, opening up the canopy was my best option and in doing so, i got nice size nugs that are very dense from top to bottom on every plant. oh did i forget to mention that my tents are packed from wall to wall?

So after reading the entire thread I came to a conclusion to not fuck with my fan leaves. ))) this is the answer I been waiting for.

that's cool, defoliating isn't for everyone.

 

[Fresh 2 De@th]

suck on this buffoon

Positronics Claustrum at only 5 weeks flower....7 weeks to go..those are 4-6 foot plants

I use Dynagro as it works swimmingly

and for your potency doubts
http://library.constantcontact.com/download/get/file/1102675987015-288/NM_SSH15_2_27_13.pdf


Go play puny god...we hate your ignorance and acting like you know shit when your own words and pics tell us otherwise
Genetics? you do not know shit thinking these crosses you love are anything other than everyday pot...buffoon

hmm, i see why your mad now too. i hate to tell you, but gh 3part with the edition of useless formula is killing the dyna gro. i used dyna gro every way it could possibly be used and it still was mediocre compared to the gh 3part/useless combo. don't get me wrong, the plants came out nice, but didn't get no where as dense or as frosty as the gh 3part/useless combo.
for you, it's definitely well suited. mediocre nutes for a mediocre grow that produces mediocre results. and don't know where you got this idea that you grow a huge plant that you're automatically considered a top notch grower, because that is far from the case and any real grower will tell you the same. also, i seen a noobie produce better buds than you, same elongated structure with a lot more frost than the swag you posted, so your post of these commercial plants isn't impressing me at all.
don't know what type of response you expect when you post up commercial buds that looks to yield commercially, isn't that what it's suppose to do? DUH.

LOL... I am one of the dudes on icmag dude... but I go by a different moniker there...whazzup is my friend...so is dubi

Once again you open your mouth and insert your foot

for what, dude if i had that same plant that shit would be maxed out. those are mediocre at best, how many times do i need to say it? the only people you're impressing are the girl scouts that you associate with and the noobs that doesn't know any better. check the links i post than look at yours and you will notice that buds are just as big or bigger and are blinged out. they don't need to usb micro or special camera to show the trics. their plants are maxed out, where yours isn't or HH isn't even worth mentioning.
as for you being on the Mag, you're name doesn't ring bells of one of the sites best growers or even near it.

as far my skills, like i said, my pics speaks for themselves. get over yourself homegirl, you're not that much of a beast as you thought you was. get better genetics and learn how to grow better than i'll have some respect for your skills.

also Positronics is even the league of Bodhi, Pisces, Top Dawg, Raredankness, OG Rascal and so on and so on. you can fool some of these noobs into thinking that but not all. they will see you for the mediocre grower that you are once they learn how to read plants and grow better than you, which shouldn't be too long.

 

[chuck estevez]

nah, it seems as if you're mad. you comment on what i say, so it should tells you who is focusing on who and who is mad at who.

but it seems i have gotten a little flagrant with the older folk around here (he know who he is) and out of respect, im going to fall back from this thread. i said what i had to say and held shit down on my end so there's no need to continue.

oh, i can do that too.

tucks tail and runs. Bwahaha! thanks for the laughs this morning. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

 

[Fresh 2 De@th]

tucks tail and runs. Bwahaha! thanks for the laughs this morning. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

nah, not really. just because you waited to see if the band wagon against Fresh got big enough for you to hide behind and speak freely doesn't mean i tucked anything. if anything, you're the joke, so the only one that you're laughing at is yourself.
think about, you see me posting the shit that i kick, you don't say anything then. next you start to see one person speak up, you don't say anything then either. now a few more people speak up, 2 days later you decided to voice your opinion, and on top of that it's directed right at me. you tell me who's the clown, clown?

all you've shown was the lack of back bone that most seem to lack around here. i guess that's why my page has have a 1000 views in the last few days and no one is talking about my growing skills after they checked my albums out.

 

[chuck estevez]

nah, not really. just because you waited to see if the band wagon against Fresh got big enough for you to hide behind and speak freely doesn't mean i tucked anything. if anything, you're the joke, so the only one that you're laughing at is yourself.
think about, you see me posting the shit that i kick, you don't say anything then. next you start to see one person speak up, you don't say anything then either. now a few more people speak up, 2 days later you decided to voice your opinion, and on top of that it's directed right at me. you tell me who's the clown, clown?

all you've shown was the lack of back bone that most seem to lack around here. i guess that's why my page has have a 1000 views in the last few days and no one is talking about my growing skills after they checked my albums out.

let me tell you something, this will offend a lot of people, but I don't care who gets butthurt,BUT, The REAL GROWERS, Those that know there shit, are not on RIU posting pics looking for a pat on the back, Your so insecure about your skills, your here puffing your chest out. DUDE, I live in so cal, I have smoked weed for over 30 years. I have smoked weed you wish you could smoke someday. I know growers that have more experience in there right nut than you have in your whole vagina. On top of that, PICS, don't prove shit. What else you got?

 

[Uncle Ben]

So after reading the entire thread I came to a conclusion to not fuck with my fan leaves. ))) this is the answer I been waiting for.

Now let me see if I understand this prevalent need to arrive at a consensus. You could have had your epiphany by sticking your head into a book on indoor plant culture, botany, but you learned it by sticking your head into a forum of stoners who use trickery and bullshit to make their case? It's called 'science' mah friend.

Hah!

 

[Uncle Ben]

...I have smoked weed for over 30 years. I have smoked weed you wish you could smoke someday.

Back in the 60's we used to smoke BAG weed that would put some of these sissies on their ass, shaking with paranoia. We called it acid grass. It was just fine Mexican pot at $10 a lid (oz).

UB

 

[chuck estevez]

Back in the 60's we used to smoke BAG weed that would put some of these sissies on their ass, shaking with paranoia. We called it acid grass. It was just fine Mexican pot at $10 a lid (oz).

UB

Yep, we used to buy coffee cans full of it, if you were lucky you would get one that didn't mold. Occasionally some straight sensi bud would come around. smelled like christmas trees.