my defoliated vs non defoliated... pictures inside.

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Uncle Ben

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Yummy yum yum

Now that's better, BUT, if it was my maters, I'd strip almost all of those leaves off. They're just getting in the way and creating air circulation problems. Right?

pffffffffftttttt, how in the hell do you even walk down the aisle without your Bob Marley t-shirt getting green stuff on it! Yech!

UB
 

Uncle Ben

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once again, here's a pic of a plant that was defoliated. if you notice, only the big and mid sized fans in the middle was taking off, not every leaf on the plant.
you dudes can blame the technique all you want, but it's you that is truly the problem.





Could have doubled your yields if you had left it alone. Live and learn....
 

Nizza

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damn your persistent UB, but i fully agree. i only take fan leaves off if theyre really damaged, or close to the bottom of the pot touching the soil
 

Sir.Ganga

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How can people are about what works and what doesnt if they dont know the terms for which arguments based on.

de·fo·li·ate (d
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)v. de·fo·li·at·ed, de·fo·li·at·ing, de·fo·li·ates
v.tr.1. To deprive (a plant, tree, or forest) of leaves.
2. To cause the leaves of (a plant, tree, or forest) to fall off, especially by the use of chemicals.

v.intr.To lose foliage.

I think it comes down to perception. Indoor growing is all about control and common sence.

Common sence seems to be lacking in a bunch of gardens around this place.

If you remove ONE leaf you have begun to defoiliate, at least thats how I understand it.
 

chuck estevez

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de·fo·li·ate (d
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)v. de·fo·li·at·ed, de·fo·li·at·ing, de·fo·li·ates
v.tr.1. To deprive (a plant, tree, or forest) of leaves.
2. To cause the leaves of (a plant, tree, or forest) to fall off, especially by the use of chemicals.

v.intr.To lose foliage.

I think it comes down to perception. Indoor growing is all about control and common sence.

Common sence seems to be lacking in a bunch of gardens around this place.

If you remove ONE leaf you have begun to defoiliate, at least thats how I understand it.
so has common sense
 

chuck estevez

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Still waiting for some pics??Remember?
Don't need your troll approval, remember? Size means absolutely NOTHING. Come smoke some of my O.G. that I grew with $10 veg nutes.
It will kick your ass because you probably don't know the difference between well grown weed and stress weed.
 

bird mcbride

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About 2-3 days before I chop I start defoliating the selected shoots. In op language a shoot is a clone. This has nothing to do with the OP. Don't get internet lingo confused with op lingo. For example a 4x4 is a flood and drain table. Don't get this confused with pick-up trucks. K.I.S.S. means cops etc. I seen some pics of some fairly fine buds in this thread. No real need to argue. I took in some totally defoliated homegrown stalks back in the eighties and the dam things grew back and I wound up with some really good bud. I wouldn't waste my time with that anymore but if you got nothing better to do...why not?
 

HeartlandHank

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These pictures posted are completely meaningless. If you wanna post a side by side shot, then ok, there is a little something to go on. But really, what does a pic of your mid sized plant prove? That you can harvest buds from a defoliated plant?

When I see that last pic... I noticed the weaker growth down low and in the center. Is that not what defol is supposed to be preventing?

Here you go... I did not defol this plant.. I have no idea what this proves.... but it looks a whole lot more productive than the defol plant above. This plant got all beat to hell too. But the only leaves pulled off this plant were crispy and brown..
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Fresh 2 De@th

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These pictures posted are completely meaningless. If you wanna post a side by side shot, then ok, there is a little something to go on. But really, what does a pic of your mid sized plant prove? That you can harvest buds from a defoliated plant?

When I see that last pic... I noticed the weaker growth down low and in the center. Is that not what defol is supposed to be preventing?

Here you go... I did not defol this plant.. I have no idea what this proves.... but it looks a whole lot more productive than the defol plant above. This plant got all beat to hell too. But the only leaves pulled off this plant were crispy and brown..
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you dudes thrill me, that shit is straight fluff. as you can see my bottoms are mature and rock solid. unlike you i didn't take the nodes off of the bottom of the branch and as you can see the defoliating has done it's job.
 

HeartlandHank

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Those look pretty good also HLH. A bit of root damage though. This is what is causing the leaves to die.
Man... root damage was just the start of it... haha. She saw some harsh days... I had to leave town for a week on short notice and I had no one lined up to take care of the plants... So I just watered the plants and cut the lights... 5 days of darkness... Upon return the plants were all a pale green... That was about the most damaging part of the grow I would suspect.

The plant wilted a couple times late in flower... so there was definitely some root damage. I bet the roots didn't like the soggy conditions it saw being watered just a few hours before seeing 5 days of darkness either. I have done the "cut the lights" thing before. It is far from optimal, but growing in soiless peat/coco type stuff, if you gotta leave the room unattended for up to a week on short notice, no automation in place... it works.
 

HeartlandHank

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you dudes thrill me, that shit is straight fluff. as you can see my bottoms are mature and rock solid. unlike you i didn't take the nodes off of the bottom of the branch and as you can see the defoliating has done it's job.
I guess we are seeing two different things... those buds look behind the rest of the plant.. not a big deal, I just thought that was what defol was supposed to prevent. I see pale growth less dense than the top on your plant. It doesn't look like it did a very good job. Like I told a past poster. You do not need to remove leaves to get consistently mature and dense buds from top to bottom. Especially with that small of a plant... You can do it without losing yield like you do with defol.. If you want, I can help you out with this.

Just going by what I have seen you type in the past.. I wouldn't expect you to know this... But that dense nuggage on your plant is a result of genetics. That fluff on my plant is a result of genetics. And that below average (productivity) plant that you managed to grow there is a testament to the genetics you have. The superior production (compared to yours) on my plant is a result of adequate (barely) growing conditions and genetics... The funny thing is, your hit to production was your own doing, time spent in the garden working. You spent time fucking up your plant...My decrease in production is much less than yours AND the result of me spending less time in the garden fucking with plants. I don't baby my shit... because I have better shit to do and I know that all I need to do is give them adequate conditions, not piss on my plants (defol), and let my system/grow room and the genetics do their job.

as much as you think that your tricks are doing good for your plant.. all you need to do is give the plant a place to stay and try not to fuck it up... you know, like cut the leaves off of it. If you have time to waste, why not do something the plants would appreciate. Maybe clean up a little? Shit, if you are looking to fuck up your leaves, why not save yourself the labor and just introduce some spider mites to your grow?

Here is a seed from that same pack, more dense, grown right along with that fluff plant (and yes, she was fluffy, found her while looking through a pack for a nice new mother to take on). This plant put out decent density. I've got dense plants, I've got fluffy plants. I've hand picked every mother I have and bud density is not a deal breaker in this garden... Bottom line, every plant in my garden is more productive than your photo there. As long as you defol they always will be.

So, I need to cut the leaves off to get that wine bottle plant to produce dense buds? wow...
So, at the bottom is my 14 week SSH (beanho) selection... so if I want to turn those 24in spear colas into dense buds I just need to cut the leaves off?
haha..

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Since fan leaves are so important maybe scroggers can tuck and bind the buds under the net and keep the fan leaves coming through and bushing on the top so they get the most light. I bet that will give great buds according to the experts here. Why have buds shade the shade leaves?? :confused:
 

Kite High

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once again, here's a pic of a plant that was defoliated. if you notice, only the big and mid sized fans in the middle was taking off, not every leaf on the plant.
you dudes can blame the technique all you want, but it's you that is truly the problem.





OMFG another one to dub as

[video=youtube;SdH8_MIIEpQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdH8_MIIEpQ[/video]

i mean cmon you post a pic of a miniature plant that there is no reason merited to defoil as it is small and short so light is not an issue and IMO didn't yield enough to make it worth fucking with in the first place but you try to indicate that somehow you defoliated it into a high yields monster when I have had a single cola from runs that went bad that yielded more than that entire cute lil plant...get fucking real....and lemme guess you're 20 and been growing a year or two correct?
 

Kite High

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If you wanna see more from Fresh, check out his posts in Nute threads.

Check out his buddy Tree King while you are at it
lmao....already well familiar with tree and his foolish love of AN and total lack of knowledge of how salts actually work...when I feel like laffing at idiocy I will peruse his postings...I like you hank...you're straight up...good rare trait these days
 
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