Has the American Government become Tyrannical?

[GOD HERE]

How does socialism, in our modern age of 300million individuals, work without a governing body to determine the wealth pool, and redistribute accordingly? Socialism with regards to our politics doesn't work in small bandit groups of 5 people LOL.

Anarchy is the absence of said governing body, and anarchists oppose any type of power resting with the state (i.e. socialism)
You can't just pick some average joe to start distributing wealth, and call it socialism lols.


Anarchism is often defined as a political philosophy which holds the state to be undesirable, unnecessary, or harmful

Note the words, unnecessary and undesirable.

Yeah thats the bare bones basic definition of basic anarchism and basic socialism. There are many different types of socialism and anarchism, some of them completely different from others. If you had read the previous posts I already linked to information demonstrating what Social Anarchism is. I'm not gonna sit here and fight with a bunch of right wing asshats who think that they know everything even after they've been proven wrong. If you want to be a dumbass that's your deal, personally I don't care what you believe. If you choose to be an ignorant asshole, go ahead. There's plenty of information easily available that backs up everything I've said, along with lots of historical figures who have been Anarcho-socialists as well as other variants. I'm not even an anarchist, for about the fifth time, so calling me one doesn't help your case, it just makes you look like a dipshit on a witchhunt for dominance to anyone who reads through these posts. I'm not even going to touch Keynes' rambling paranoid paragraphs, just reading through them and seeing all the obvious logical fallacies he uses in his attempts to appear intelligent and discredit others are laughable to anyone who can think critically.

 

[fb360]

Yeah thats the bare bones basic definition of basic anarchism and basic socialism. There are many different types of socialism and anarchism, some of them completely different from others. If you had read the previous posts I already linked to information demonstrating what Social Anarchism is. I'm not gonna sit here and fight with a bunch of right wing asshats who think that they know everything even after they've been proven wrong. If you want to be a dumbass that's your deal, personally I don't care what you believe. If you choose to be an ignorant asshole, go ahead. There's plenty of information easily available that backs up everything I've said, along with lots of historical figures who have been Anarcho-socialists as well as other variants. I'm not even an anarchist, for about the fifth time, so calling me one doesn't help your case, it just makes you look like a dipshit on a witchhunt for dominance to anyone who reads through these posts. I'm not even going to touch Keynes' rambling paranoid paragraphs, just reading through them and seeing all the obvious logical fallacies he uses in his attempts to appear intelligent and discredit others are laughable to anyone who can think critically.

the MOTHER FUCKIN IRONY.
You try telling me I'm an ignorant "rightwing asshat", when that statement is HIGHLY ignorant, not to mention FALLACIOUS.
You cannot have socialism between 300 million individuals without a governing body. Doesn't work, so why talk about it.

You must love facials buddy

 

[Doer]

Yeah thats the bare bones basic definition of basic anarchism and basic socialism. There are many different types of socialism and anarchism, some of them completely different from others. If you had read the previous posts I already linked to information demonstrating what Social Anarchism is. I'm not gonna sit here and fight with a bunch of right wing asshats who think that they know everything even after they've been proven wrong. If you want to be a dumbass that's your deal, personally I don't care what you believe. If you choose to be an ignorant asshole, go ahead. There's plenty of information easily available that backs up everything I've said, along with lots of historical figures who have been Anarcho-socialists as well as other variants. I'm not even an anarchist, for about the fifth time, so calling me one doesn't help your case, it just makes you look like a dipshit on a witchhunt for dominance to anyone who reads through these posts. I'm not even going to touch Keynes' rambling paranoid paragraphs, just reading through them and seeing all the obvious logical fallacies he uses in his attempts to appear intelligent and discredit others are laughable to anyone who can think critically.

Give ONE example......Ass Hat.

 

[GOD HERE]

Why don't you go to wiki, which you have done countless times in this thread, and search "anarchism". The word socialism isn't mentioned even ONCE on the page, whereas every other form of "anarch_____" is...

Furthermore, the MOTHER FUCKIN IRONY.
You try telling me I'm an ignorant "rightwing asshat", when that statement is HIGHLY ignorant, not to mention FALLACIOUS.

You must love facials buddy

You are an asshat, it's in the first line you moron. Look over the page, the subsets of political theory are actually organized on the right side, which is interesting to read.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_anarchism

To address the other part, here's some current Libertarian Socialist newspapers and journals:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism#Libertarian_socialist_periodicals

If you want examples of individuals, read the articles or simply google it. I'm not going to keep repeating the same shit because you can't read.

 

[Doer]

An example....please?

 

[ginwilly]

the MOTHER FUCKIN IRONY.
You try telling me I'm an ignorant "rightwing asshat", when that statement is HIGHLY ignorant, not to mention FALLACIOUS.
You cannot have socialism between 300 million individuals without a governing body. Doesn't work, so why talk about it.

You must love facials buddy

I don't see why we can't just pool all of resources in a pile and everyone only take what they need. They should also give all they can too. This is perfectly in line with human nature. We don't need no stinkin gubment. People will always only take what they need and will always give back what they don't. They'll work for the benefit of others, not themselves. That's just how animals are at the core.

 

[GOD HERE]

An example....please?

I already gave you examples, what specific example are you looking for now?

 

[Dr Kynes]

Why don't you go to wiki, which you have done countless times in this thread, and search "anarchism". The word socialism isn't mentioned even ONCE on the page, whereas every other form of "anarch_____" is...

Furthermore, the MOTHER FUCKIN IRONY.
You try telling me I'm an ignorant "rightwing asshat", when that statement is HIGHLY ignorant, not to mention FALLACIOUS.

You must love facials buddy

tutt tutt tutt.

dont you know the poorly mimeographed newsletters handed out by the student union at UC Berkley advocating the dissolution of all government are like totally well thought out and full of "Critical Thinking"


also, there are "So Many Types" of socialism that you just cant define them all...

Unless you read the Communist Manifesto.

but yeah, socialism is totally not marxism, and neither is bolshevism, the international worker's world party, the industrial workers world party , the international communist party, the international socialist party, the chinese government, hugo chavez, fidel castor, the kim dynasty, stalin, pol pot, mussolini, hitler, the viet cong, etc etc etc etc etc.

none of that shit is marxism. nope NONE OF IT. despite the simple and inescapabel fact that they ALL are based on the first through third Cominterns, and the communist manifesto, the writings of Marx and Engles, and Das Kapital.

nope. being based on, predicated on and entirely dependent on the communist theories of Marx, Engles, et al, totally does not make one a marxist.

nope.

not marxist at all.

 

[Doer]

I already gave you examples, what specific example are you looking for now?

An example of anarchism, of any of the varied definitions. That's I ever asked, Pretense. Anything to move the conversation. One Example?

 

[Doer]

I don't see why we can't just pool all of resources in a pile and everyone only take what they need. They should also give all they can too. This is perfectly in line with human nature. We don't need no stinkin gubment. People will always only take what they need and will always give back what they don't. They'll work for the benefit of others, not themselves. That's just how animals are at the core.

Because of the, never settled, argument over the word NEED. Is it so hard to understand we evolved this stinkin govt, from anarchy and from the absolute silly notion that people are anything like, all that you said?

Humans are barely able to cooperated with each other. Animals not at all. Animals have strict and vicious hierarchy.....ah...you troll. Good one!

 

[ginwilly]

An example anarchism, of any of the varied definitions. That's I ever asked, Pretense. Anything to move the conversation. One Example?

what is Gilligan's Island Alex?

 

[Doer]

The Skipper and Maryann were leading that farce.

 

[GOD HERE]

An example of anarchism, of any of the varied definitions. That's I ever asked, Pretense. Anything to move the conversation. One Example?

Of what a state? and individual? or the actual philosophy behind it? I've already answered all of those. I linked you to an easy to understand wikipedia page to make it simple for you. If you chose not to read it, that's not my problem. For the state portion, one's never existed. Only communities.

 

[GOD HERE]

Because of the, never settled, argument over the word NEED. Is it so hard to understand we evolved this stinkin govt, from anarchy and from the absolute silly notion that people are anything like, all that you said?

Humans are barely able to cooperated with each other. Animals not at all. Animals have strict and vicious hierarchy.....ah...you troll. Good one!

Yeah because tribes weren't and currently aren't a part of human history. If anything it's capitalism, the profit motive, and the culture it creates that's unnatural and divisive.

 

[Dr Kynes]

Of what a state? and individual? or the actual philosophy behind it? I've already answered all of those. I linked you to an easy to understand wikipedia page to make it simple for you. If you chose not to read it, that's not my problem. For the state portion, one's never existed. Only communities.

because an anarchist state cannot exist.

you cannot claim that anarchy has never been tried, it existed for some time after the fall of the Pax Romana and before the rise of the european aristocratic dynasties.

it was what we call the Dark Ages. it was not fun times.

what i really wonder is why are you so averse to admitting you are a marxist?

being a marxist is not a crime. it's not even a social faux pas. theres lots of avowed marxists, and many are well respected thinkers, but those are generally COMMUNISTS who invite people to join their Utopia, not Socialists who try to compel everyone to submit to their Dystopia.

Socialism in all it's flavours, from democratic socialism in western europe to the depths of Pol Pot's madness are based on the simple principle that the apparatchiks know better than we do, and we just dont recognize their Greatness, even when we have it thrust upon us.

Why cant you simply tell us what you believe without resorting to contradictory wikipages which are really just nonsense, and own your beliefs?

since you have already implied that too much capitalism and freedom in the market is detrimental to your ideal society, exactly how much freedom are we to be allowed if you are installed as the Anarchist-in-Chief?

what form would governance take under your ideal society?

how would you ensure that malefactors and Counter-Revolutionaries and Reactionaries dont abuse the proletariat?

how would you equalize the distribution of wealth, considering the Bourgeois will not likely surrender their stuff willingly?

how would you ensure the smooth operation of industry agriculture and transportation of goods from the "Means of Production" to the hands of the proletariat?

how would you deal with any dissenters who say we need more freedom in our markets and associations than you permit?



and thats just the start.

 

[fb360]

I don't see why we can't just pool all of resources in a pile and everyone only take what they need. They should also give all they can too. This is perfectly in line with human nature. We don't need no stinkin gubment. People will always only take what they need and will always give back what they don't. They'll work for the benefit of others, not themselves. That's just how animals are at the core.

I'm not sure if sarcasm or retardation

There is no way to give people free reign, and expect people to not abuse the system.

You are an asshat, it's in the first line you moron. Look over the page, the subsets of political theory are actually organized on the right side, which is interesting to read.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_anarchism

To address the other part, here's some current Libertarian Socialist newspapers and journals:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism#Libertarian_socialist_periodicals

If you want examples of individuals, read the articles or simply google it. I'm not going to keep repeating the same shit because you can't read.

Seeing as how you are illiterate, I would think carefully before calling people morons, halfwit.

Search, "anarchism", as I said to, idiot, and get back to me. There are 2 lines describing "social anarchism", and they CLEARLY specify there is a "state" involved, and that "individual" socialism is not socialism.

Dumbass buffoon thinks you can have socialism with a population of 300million without a governing body lol. Might as well start thinking that if you jump from high enough, you will evolve wings. Now go try!

 

[Doer]

Yeah because tribes weren't and currently aren't a part of human history. If anything it's capitalism, the profit motive, and the culture it creates that's unnatural and divisive.

Will you say tribes are non-hierarchical? Do they just peacefully rub all over each other when they meet, like bonabo? Let's not leave out most the apes. Vicious. Hierarchy.

Nothing that was said pertains to people, any people, ever. It pertains to pipe dreams. When you and I are struggling for survival in our pitiful band of early hunters, that's not anarchy and that is not anything but vicious hierarchy.

In this tribe, I zigged, and the sabercat zagged you. I stong. You subordinate. When it comes down to nothing....at least you are something...shade.

One example?

 

[NLXSK1]

Yeah because tribes weren't and currently aren't a part of human history. If anything it's capitalism, the profit motive, and the culture it creates that's unnatural and divisive.

Everything in nature is competitive from the smallest bacteria to the largest animal on the planet and somehow you seem to feel that competitive practices in humans are unnatural and divisive when nothing in nature supports your conclusion.

Hey GOD, you fucked it up, why dont you fix it?

 

[GOD HERE]

Everything in nature is competitive from the smallest bacteria to the largest animal on the planet and somehow you seem to feel that competitive practices in humans are unnatural and divisive when nothing in nature supports your conclusion.

Hey GOD, you fucked it up, why dont you fix it?

Tribes operate as collectives. They may fight other tribes, but thats still fighting other collectives. In a tribe members work for the good of the group and have specific roles. Look I'm really fuckin done wasting my time talking to you three. I've already proven my point multiple times, but it doesn't matter what I say, you don't read the explanations anyways, you're just looking for a fight. And frankly you're just morons, because you could answer your own questions easily, you don't care whats right and whats wrong, you just enjoy being pricks for the sake of being pricks. And "Dr. Keynes", you need mental help, you have so many fuckin issues going on its not even funny. Ever heard of narcissism?

 

[Doer]

Wow! Do you really think that? What in hell do they teach these days?

NO. Any band will have a head man. And that is for today or any day in the past of man. Bands work in hierarchy not collective. Someone has to make the decisions. A person that makes good decisions, for the good of the band is honored. They rise by capital. Personal capital of accomplishment. Thus it is ever so.

Money is just a marker. Capital and standing everyone has and gains or loses in eyes of his fellows.

Capital, and now marked with money is the same as it was 70,000 years ago. You do not even need speech. Monkeys do it...by force..just like we do and dogs do.

You are just trying to make it up as you go along. This is science as much as we know. Humans don't form collectives naturally. Always there is force and rule and hierarchy...

And forum mate, even in so called communist collectivism, there is always force, rule and hierarchy.

One example?