my defoliated vs non defoliated... pictures inside.

[PJ Diaz]

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I did not grow these plants with the idea of defending whether or not to defoil, but guess what, the pictures do prove a solid point: DON'T FUCKING DEFOIL!

The plant on the left was grown the last 3 months of 2012, and both plants are the exact same strain. Not knowing that she would stretch as much as she would, after 4 weeks of flowering the plant on the left was over 5 feet tall. So, I had no choice but to hack the shit out of her. Below what you see, there are no fan leaves or bud sites; I cut them all off because of her stretch and I had over-crowded this grow with 3 plants.

The plant on the right is an entirely different story, which is growing as we speak (took this picture yesterday). Knowing what I was up against with the last stretch, I knew I had to find another way to grow this strain. That's when I discovered Uncle Bens topping technique, which would utilize my space and keep my plant at a height I could handle. I haven't cut 1 fan leaf off of this plant, and I have left everything in tact, with the exception of the top I did during veg.

The bud size and development isn't even close in comparison. This current plant will probably have a ten fold difference in yield than the last plant, and the size difference in the buds is beyond debate.

Both of these plants are at the exact same flowering stage.

Too bad your post is meaningless since they were grown at different times and in different conditions. I sure would hope your second grow was better than the first. Unfortunately unless you do a side by side test of a cloned strain the results will always be meaningless.

 

[akula]

Lol, no it's not my site nor do I follow those practices. I simply seek the truth, which you did not post. You attempted to defame the site with misinformation. That is not what I would call seeking the truth. Enjoy your bubble.

You know I have seen a lot of posters here on this site mock and ridicule you for you lack of intelligence and honestly don't know if its just an act or if you are really a very simpleton or buffoon. Since I actually took the time to post the part where the site describes the techniques they recommend for making "flavored weed" that has nothing to do with flavoring it while curing, I am going to have to assume you read it. And if I assume you read it, and still post that I "attempted to defame the site with misinformation" I have to make one of two conclusions about your intellect level:

1. You are not intelligent enough to understand that kool aide is flavored water and flavored water is exactly what kool aide is.

or

2. You believe feeding your plants flavored water is a perfectly legitimate technique to flavor your weed as long as that flavored water is not flavored by the Kool-Aid brand name. Which makes you both a hack and an idiot.

So which one is it?


Edit: BTW The site is shit and full of shitty information. And the owner is a scrub.

 

[Username42]

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3. akula has been rumbled

I hate misrepresentation

 

[Username42]

What does this mean?

ask ricky?

 

[akula]

or

3. akula has been rumbled

You are right. I like to feed the trolls. It makes me happy to watch them in their natural environment.

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3. akula has been rumbled

I hate misrepresentation

LOL add 1 more to the troll list. This site is like a damn magnet for them.

 

[3 Pounds of Weeden]

ghey ghey ghey ghey ghey

 

[DrKingGreen]

I don't know about you guys, but I use this amazing shit that reflects light. It reflects light all over including to the bottom of the plant and as for those lower fan leaves... I can see them in the room, therefore there is light getting to that area. Maybe not as much light as the top of the plant, but the leaves sure look green and sure seem to be doing some sort of photosynthesis. I wandered down this road when I started my first grow (the one I'm doing now). Ben told me I'm an idiot if I defoliate, and then I went out to see if he was providing facts by reading as much as I can... Guess what? After doing solid research on how plants function, I found that if you defoliate, you are an idiot. It's pretty simple. Defoliate = Idiot or uninformed (blame yourself, you can obviously read) Leave it alone = Proper plant function and growth... You're so smart!

 

[ricky6991]

Username- what are you asking about?

My plants are lollipoped. Has nothing to do with defoliating.. i lollipoped cause lower branches were more than 4ft from the lights and would rather not worry about airflow and humidity each plant for little gain off them.

 

[ricky6991]

This post is beginning its rambling stage where people start to argue about stuff that doesnt have to do with my thread... mods will lock it just like the last one. Thats why i tried to get my point across in the very first post so people get the point before they decide to exit out of screen from all the nonsense

 

[PJ Diaz]

You know I have seen a lot of posters here on this site mock and ridicule you for you lack of intelligence

Really, lots? In reality, only a half dozen of so users here regularly bash me by using terms like idiot or "shit'fer'brains". They are folks like UB, AS, or yourself who insult me as a reactionary measure when I either correct their error or question their "facts". I understand why they do it, it's a normal human reaction. However that doesn't make them right -- it only makes them reactionary.

Since I actually took the time to post the part where the site describes the techniques they recommend for making "flavored weed" that has nothing to do with flavoring it while curing, I am going to have to assume you read it. And if I assume you read it, and still post that I "attempted to defame the site with misinformation" I have to make one of two conclusions about your intellect level:

1. You are not intelligent enough to understand that kool aide is flavored water and flavored water is exactly what kool aide is.

or

2. You believe feeding your plants flavored water is a perfectly legitimate technique to flavor your weed as long as that flavored water is not flavored by the Kool-Aid brand name. Which makes you both a hack and an idiot.

So which one is it?

I'd say it's number three. Kool-Aid is not the same as flavored water. It's much different. It's mostly citric acid and a bunch of chemicals. I don't know how that's so confusing to you.

 

[PJ Diaz]

• Step Two: Create your Flavor/Aroma Water Mixture.You create a mixture of water and whatever flavor you're adding. I like vanilla extract, root beer extract, citrus flavors like lemon, orange, lime... Some like chocolate, banana, blueberry, strawberry, etc. Feel free to get creative, especially if you're growing lots of small plants and can experiement. Make sure to stir the mixture well. How much flavor/essence do you add? It's really hard to say what will work for you in your individual situation. As a general frame of reference, I've done a tablespoon of extract to five gallons of water to get good results. The resulting scent/flavor is subtle but recognizable. You may want to add more or less extract to satisfy your tastes.
  
  Step Three: Water your cannabis with the mixture and let plants sit for 3-4 hours to soak up the water. You basically want the thirsty plant to drink all the water and become infused with the mixture. A thirsty plant will drink much faster than one which has been recently watered.
  ​

So what is water and fruity flavoring you might ask? Yep thats Kool-Aide you brainiac puppy. Hows the trolling working out for you genius?

What you cut and pasted clearly discusses extracts (ie: vanilla extract or root beer extract). That is not the same as kool-aid. Sorry.

http://www.zatarains.com/Products/Spices-and-Extracts/Root Beer Extract.aspx

Ingredients:
CARAMEL COLOR, WATER, IMITATION VANILLA, ALCOHOL, METHYL SALICYLATE U.S.P., IMITATION SASSAFRAS FLAVOR, OIL OF SPRUCE, OIL OF SWEET BIRCH U.S.P.


​For the record, I don't flavor my weed.

 

[akula]

I'd say it's number three. Kool-Aid is not the same as flavored water. It's much different. It's mostly citric acid and a bunch of chemicals. I don't know how that's so confusing to you.

Im out. Enough stupid for today.

 

[elkukupanda]

Don't believe everything you see posted. Do the research yourself and then decide.

Here's the link they have about flavor curing: http://www.growweedeasy.com/how-to-make-flavored-marijuana

You can use to simple find tool and discover nothing about kool-aid.

It talks about orange curing and lemon verbena curing and some crap like that.

It also clearly says:



Personally I would never flavor cure. I would also never strip my leaves bare.

Slow person alert.

Look, this is what your buddy wrote before all that BS and is exactly where i stopped reading.. RIGHT AWAY..
Beware the following is a perfect example of a pothead catch lines..

"I personally do not recommend using any flavor-weed-after-harvest methods because they all seem like they are just going to cause mold. I've lost parts of crops to mold before.The thought of adding something like an orange rind to my buds while curing sends of danger signals in my brain. I personally love the taste/smell/flavor of cannabis in its natural state and I would much rather experience that and not risk losing a crop to mold." http://www.growweedeasy.com/how-to-make-flavored-marijuana

Seriously? He hasn't even mastered this yet he is giving so much BS explanation and information about it?

Anyways, he might create a section for odored weed.. Stay tuned Diaz.

 

[PJ Diaz]

Slow person alert.

Look, this is what your buddy wrote before all that BS and is exactly where i stopped reading.. RIGHT AWAY..
Beware the following is a perfect example of a pothead catch lines..

"I personally do not recommend using any flavor-weed-after-harvest methods because they all seem like they are just going to cause mold. I've lost parts of crops to mold before.The thought of adding something like an orange rind to my buds while curing sends of danger signals in my brain. I personally love the taste/smell/flavor of cannabis in its natural state and I would much rather experience that and not risk losing a crop to mold." http://www.growweedeasy.com/how-to-make-flavored-marijuana

Seriously? He hasn't even mastered this yet he is giving so much BS explanation and information about it?

Anyways, he might create a section for odored weed.. Stay tuned Diaz.

Who says he was my buddy? In fact I said I don't do what he does. Are YOU slow?
Got any pics of your first harvest yet?

 

[elkukupanda]

Who says he was my buddy? In fact I said I don't do what he does. Are YOU slow?
Got any pics of your first harvest yet?

lol, you are the one defending someone who post something where he clearly says he is unable to consistently flavour his crop without causing mould. i'm sorry for personalizing your important response... i guess you just like to talk shit... as for my first grow.. it was great.. pics? just google "good white widow harvest" i'm sure it will suffice such a gullible person as yourself

 

[PJ Diaz]

lol, you are the one defending someone who post something where he clearly says he is unable to consistently flavour his crop without causing mould. i'm sorry for personalizing your important response... i guess you just like to talk shit... as for my first grow.. it was great.. pics? just google "good white widow harvest" i'm sure it will suffice such a gullible person as yourself

Where did I defend him? I guess I missed that part, Lol. You make no sense.

 

[Guitar Man]

Too bad your post is meaningless since they were grown at different times and in different conditions. I sure would hope your second grow was better than the first. Unfortunately unless you do a side by side test of a cloned strain the results will always be meaningless.

I agree with some of your analysis, but some of what I said is tried and true. The plant with the least amount of fan leaves produced the least amount of bud activity, period. You can slice it, dice it, and disagree with it, but that's what happened between these 2 plants. Even if I grew clones side by side, I would still have separate challenges that could alter 1 of the plants, making the test a faulted one. No two plants are the exact same, and no two grows are the exact same.

On the first grow and the plant I had to hack, the only 2 things I did was top her and remove the lower fan leaves. The top took off 12", leaving 4', then I took the lower 2' of fan leaves off because they wouldn't receive any light as my closet was crowded. The entire canopy was bathed in light after the cut, and was virtually unaffected by the trimming I did. She then went on to flower for another 5 weeks, and the bud sizes that were left on this cut plant were no different than the bud sizes I had on the my current grow.

So, my post was not meaningless, and if you want, I'll pick apart your side by side clone test, and I promise, I will find problems and reasons why your test was not accurate and that your statement, "unless you do a side by side test of a cloned strain the results will ALWAYS be meaningless" is bullshit.

 

[akula]

lol, you are the one defending someone who post something where he clearly says he is unable to consistently flavour his crop without causing mould. i'm sorry for personalizing your important response... i guess you just like to talk shit... as for my first grow.. it was great.. pics? just google "good white widow harvest" i'm sure it will suffice such a gullible person as yourself

He is trying to goad you into reacting to his insulting dribble so he can go run to a modd and cry and stomp his feet. It's what happened in the other thread because they were hopping to ban opposing views, but it backfired. Now the same tactic is being used here. I mean it's not really normal to argue that kool aid is nothing like flavored water......but with trolls it is. Think about how derailed threads get when they enter in.

 

[elkukupanda]

Where did I defend him? I guess I missed that part, Lol. You make no sense.

Lol once again, I know you have troubles defining all that bs that you type.. here:

"Don't believe everything you see posted. Do the research yourself and then decide.

Here's the link they have about flavor curing: http://www.growweedeasy.com/how-to-m...ored-marijuana

You can use to simple find tool and discover nothing about kool-aid.

It talks about orange curing and lemon verbena curing and some crap like that."


You clearly defend the article of my mock by giving some useful tips... which are appreciated... Anyways, do not go deleting your post like last time..

 

[elkukupanda]

He is trying to goad you into reacting to his insulting dribble so he can go run to a modd and cry and stomp his feet. It's what happened in the other thread because they were hopping to ban opposing views, but it backfired. Now the same tactic is being used here. I mean it's not really normal to argue that kool aid is nothing like flavored water......but with trolls it is. Think about how derailed threads get when they enter in.

I know what this farce is about ... another pot head trying to be like UB