attitude towards newbs

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baddfish99

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When I first started growing I gifted Jorge Cervantes grow bible. I still swear by it today and recommend it to all growers. It really grinds my gears when somebody asks a question and then they don't like the answer they get defensive.
 

vilify

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I agree with most of that, but I think almost everybody has a question at some point or other, or maybe just wants another opinion to see if their decision is right, but you're right, there is a lot of diarrhea of the keyboard without thinking and using a little common sense first.
yeah, im not saying dont ask questions, as there are a lot of legitimate questions you can ask.. but the majority of questions are:

1. dumb questions
2. can be found with a quick search.

a few other examples would be someone asking which nute line to run. or should i top, or lst.
basically any should I do this or that.

nobody can tell you what to do, as everyone will grow different, and be better at a different style, etc.
all someone can do, is give experiences to give steer you in the direction you are looking for.
 

Figong

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When I first started growing I gifted Jorge Cervantes grow bible. I still swear by it today and recommend it to all growers. It really grinds my gears when somebody asks a question and then they don't like the answer they get defensive.
Yup, plenty of books are quite solid, I started with Jorges' as well, then started reading through Eds books, then Greg Greens books - my latest acquisition is Gregs "The Cannabis Breeder's Bible"
 

vilify

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When I first started growing I gifted Jorge Cervantes grow bible. I still swear by it today and recommend it to all growers. It really grinds my gears when somebody asks a question and then they don't like the answer they get defensive.
read both jorges bible, and ed's. watched every grow video i could find really.

jorge cervantes ultimate grow movies are another great source for some starting information.
some people cant seem to grasp concepts with reading.

i actually researched for 2 years before i even grew a plant. then started off with very little, in a shitty grow room. like most anyone else.
been growing for what I consider a year and a half. (growing for over 2, but my first grow ended short with ending up in the hospital, and having everything put on hold.)
I have been successful at what I do, as people love my product enough to keep me always sold out.
as a result I have a certified grow op. 2 - 18x12 flower rooms, 2 - 12x12 veg, and a 12x12 breeding room.

not saying this to brag, just sharing my experience, and letting you know I got here by doing my own research. not by getting my hand held.
 

natro.hydro

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Agreed, when I see very similar leaves, and I reply to 3 different threads within a 24 hour period, clearly illustrating what it looks like.. thread #4 magically appears. I'm really tempted to write a def/toxicity guide that covers -everything-... N, P, K, and all the trace.. at start / middle / you're boned stages.
While that guide is a good idea there is probably already one in existence, I know I have seen bakatare post that def. chart from jorge's book, probably a stickied thread too but people who are new to navigating this site always fall victim to the fatal error of making a meaningless thread when they should just use the search function. The only way I can sympathize with not searching is I get frustrated trying to use that finicky thing sometimes... They should make a disclaimer against the threads that ask male or female, that is ridiculous everytime, and its not like balls open the night they show... pretty evident what is what only exception I could see would be hermies but even that is pretty cut and dry.
 

Figong

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While that guide is a good idea there is probably already one in existence, I know I have seen bakatare post that def. chart from jorge's book, probably a stickied thread too but people who are new to navigating this site always fall victim to the fatal error of making a meaningless thread when they should just use the search function. The only way I can sympathize with not searching is I get frustrated trying to use that finicky thing sometimes... They should make a disclaimer against the threads that ask male or female, that is ridiculous everytime, and its not like balls open the night they show... pretty evident what is what only exception I could see would be hermies but even that is pretty cut and dry.
Agreed, perhaps we need to consolidate all of the images/charts/proven diagnosis information into something that we can then propose to be a locked sticky, so people can't ask 900 questions in it, there would be 1-5 pages of solid/proven info for them to look at and that's it. If they can't bother to quickly skim and read through a few pages of information/posts for their problem before they start a thread to ask the question(s).. they're setting themselves up to fail. I will help as I can, but I will not coddle and try to protect the plants of users who can't even be bothered to take a moment to read.
 

natro.hydro

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Or the people who read something and take it way out of context *cough* finshaggy *cough*, that guy is worse than a newb.
Should probably mention if you think this site is full of asses and douche canoes cuz you seeing people rip on bmeat or finshaggy take a second to look at their plants and it will hit you like you should of had a v8 y they recieve that kind of treatment lol.
 

Anotherlover

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and all you fine people are the reason why I am here. The other forums treat noobs as idiots without brains. I was an idiot when I first started. The questions, what's wrong, how to tell sex, it is ready yet, were all questions I asked. That said, I have found this wonderful new invention called YOUTUBE. Jorge Cervantes (sp) has some great stuff, no deposit required. Plus Grow420guide is an excellent resource for noobs, from starting to sowing to harvesting, hell he even covers topping, fimming, and LST (low stress training) which I found very helpful. The rest I read, on this forum and on Grasscity. Also hit a few botany sites. Never joined it, just read a lot. So much my eyeballs were falling out. But you know what? I'm proud of myself because when I first started growing not many folks here showed anger to me, they were very helpful and blunt with their advice. Knowledge is for the people and I by chance, am a computer tech, so I've heard some pretty silly questions on that end, so I can understand. Peace out ya'll, its nighty night for Rosey.
Found Grasscity to have some helpful stuff and some great growers but way to many "help I got busted smoking weed in my dorm" or "Help my mommy knows" threads for it to become a daily read for me.
 

vilify

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Or the people who read something and take it way out of context *cough* finshaggy *cough*, that guy is worse than a newb.
Should probably mention if you think this site is full of asses and douche canoes cuz you seeing people rip on bmeat or finshaggy take a second to look at their plants and it will hit you like you should of had a v8 y they recieve that kind of treatment lol.
but its a stress run bro.
 

Anotherlover

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Agreed, perhaps we need to consolidate all of the images/charts/proven diagnosis information into something that we can then propose to be a locked sticky, so people can't ask 900 questions in it, there would be 1-5 pages of solid/proven info for them to look at and that's it. If they can't bother to quickly skim and read through a few pages of information/posts for their problem before they start a thread to ask the question(s).. they're setting themselves up to fail. I will help as I can, but I will not coddle and try to protect the plants of users who can't even be bothered to take a moment to read.
I feel sorry for the plants more than the people when I go through some threads.
Not specifically here but with the general bagseed in potting soil and then freakout and all when they realise it's not just water and you have dope.
 

natro.hydro

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Its gonna stress his room mates out when they paid atleast the price of a primo ounce in electric bills for seedy shit weed lol.
 

Figong

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Its gonna stress his room mates out when they paid atleast the price of a primo ounce in electric bills for seedy shit weed lol.
He will have officially set the highest price for 3g of weed ever, 1900 dollar electric bill. Once they see that, his roommates could sell him 1g for 450 and it'd still be cheaper than the power bill investment/cost.
 

natro.hydro

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Damn I do not run HIDs but if that is the cost to him it is amazing dude has not realized his attempts at growing are futile... 1000w is way overkill for those shrimps if you ask me, all I tried to tell dude was check your temps and humidity and got the response of not necessary and I do not know what I am doing followed with a hand full of :dunce::dunce::dunce::dunce:. Whatever yo, I hope he keeps the updates coming I show that thread to everyone I know and even if they do not grow weed they are like wtf????
 

Figong

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Damn I do not run HIDs but if that is the cost to him it is amazing dude has not realized his attempts at growing are futile... 1000w is way overkill for those shrimps if you ask me, all I tried to tell dude was check your temps and humidity and got the response of not necessary and I do not know what I am doing followed with a hand full of :dunce::dunce::dunce::dunce:. Whatever yo, I hope he keeps the updates coming I show that thread to everyone I know and even if they do not grow weed they are like wtf????
Was guessing, based on his 'major growing operation' he's set up.. never saw full pics or a video of his whole layout, but am under the impression based on what he's said that it's pretty decent in size.
 

natro.hydro

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Oh well do not do him the favor and give him a youtube view, I have too much already just for a good laugh, so I guess if you ever feel bad about your grow check his shit and its like a xanax lol. I did not think the germing in rice since he had nothing else was terrible but it was a slippery slope from there. His last harvest was atleast something but almost as laughable, but hey he got it too harvest... and the size of the plants makes this a micro grow not a major lol, I have seen bigger plants on the 12/12 from seed thread....
 

Anotherlover

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jorge cervantes ultimate grow movies are another great source for some starting information.
some people cant seem to grasp concepts with reading.
That was one of my standard watches for months before I started (just cause reading while stoned is more work than watching while stoned).
Make a spliff, press play, light up, dream of the future :)
 

vilify

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That was one of my standard watches for months before I started (just cause reading while stoned is more work than watching while stoned).
Make a spliff, press play, light up, dream of the future :)
exactly. that and watching a movie is the best excuse to roll another one.
 

roseypeach

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oh believe me when I say, I am a speed reader and I def skip over that meaningless garbage. Just do searches for what I needed to know, skimmed through the answers, and used the ones that had depth and a few ounces of good sense :)

Found Grasscity to have some helpful stuff and some great growers but way to many "help I got busted smoking weed in my dorm" or "Help my mommy knows" threads for it to become a daily read for me.
 

RIKNSTEIN

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lol, you guys didn't even greet me after I spent half an hour making an intro post :p

All good though, it's like a pool I guess, jump right in or stay on the edge and be bored.
Hello Anotherlover, I hear ya about the intro's me too..lol..and WOW you got alot of rep for 52 posts, you must know something already...happy growin'..
 

Indoor Sun King

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I have no issues with rookie questions as long as they use real fucking English, or even a close facsimile.......which includes appropriate grammar, a wee bit of punctuation, and the odd use of capitalization.

This is a forum to express ideas, not a text message from your phone….how much more effort is it to type “your” instead of “ur” .....please limit acronyms to well known standards.

And let’s not forget to use contractions correctly, "you’re and your" are not interchangeable words.
 
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