dispensaries no longer legal. fuck.

Timmahh

Well-Known Member
So clubs and dispensaries could be chanrge with small time local ordinance "nuisance" type violations. If I transfer meds in any way to someone not registered to me though-mooney involved or not- I could be subject to local ordinance nuisance laws as well but NOT criminaly charged? Is that about it Tim? it's what I got from the article but its what I wanted to get from it so who knows-maybe the blinders are on
I wish I could answer that. But the issue of a Civil case over a Criminal one is one of distinction as Mr Rocklin pointed out in his Opine of the ruling. But, I will Say what I have always have said, the only thing that has changed, are some of the rules (since the law was first enacted). IE Cannabis has not been legalized Medically or otherwise in Mi. We have an Exception (Protection if you will) from Prosecution, and if you DO end up in trial, thanks to the 1st MC Ruling, you have the opportunity to submit your actions were "Medically Related" to a Jury. So long as you have a Dr Recommendation prior to Arrest under a section 8.

I have also always said, Dispensaries are not "authorized" via the Act. I understand, and see the need for them, but the fact remains, The Mi Voters said a CG/PT Connection is authorized. Personally it is my opine that we are all on the Same Registery, thus we are all under the same Policy or Contract if you will. This is Not how the MS Just ruled, and how that changes things on the Criminal Case level is likely yet to be really seen or understood, which is why I completely agree with the decent of Justice Cavenaugh. But the fact remains, they (MSC) did exactly what I knew they would. Absolutely kill any option of a Brick and Mortar, as they are not authorized under the ACT, though I did think they would uphold the CG to "A" Patient portion, they did not do that. The Kink created here now is the Assigned CG issue, which is why Justice Cavenaughs's decent is, imo, right on point.

And, as I have also always held to, the best way is the way our Law provides, for a lateral connection between Patients and Cargegivers. IE every CG has atleast one PT who is also a CG.

THE Main issue now is the SC just upheld the only monetary exchange that is "Authorized" per the MMM Act is via a PT to his Assigned CG. The Hurdle though is as a PT, regardless of where you ACQUIRE, so long as you acquire below your "ALLOWED" Quantity (ie 12 plants 2.5oz as a Pt) is Protected as a Sec 4) Defense, But the party you acquire from is NOT protected via a Sec 4 (IE no arrest) but again, due to the 1st MC Ruling, that dispensing party has a right to submit a sec 8) defense infront of a Jury.
It is a Two edged sword, and that has never changed.

So In my Personal Opinion, the only thing that has changed with these last 2 MS Cases/Rulings so far, You can only get it from a CG were BOTH are SAFE From arrest so long as BOTH have a Dr Rec and are on the MI Registry Program and are working at or under the noted limits. Other than that, you can be and probably will be arrested If/When that scenario arises. Otherwise the person receiving the remuneration (ie, non assigned CG or other Party) will have to prove in a court it was Medically Acceptable Actions.


Bottom line? get your Dr recommendation and put a lawyer on retainer if you are going to do anything beyond your connected Pt or CG.

I dont agree with it, but it is what I expected. BRICK AND MORTARS are now, and Will ALWAYS Be Demonized until Big Pharma and the Perverted Uncle Chester can put their greedly little paws into it. Then and ONLY THEN, we see legalized Cannabis, STRICTLY FOR INDUSTRIAL, LARGE CORPORATIONS, it will still be illegal for you and I if we let these Fucks continue without Speaking the Fuck up.

It is time to start the Full out Legalization and Decriminalization of Cannabis on ALL LEVELS. FUCK Wa, and Colorado (No offense to you out there, you did a great thing, but imo, you are trying to stuff a round peg into a square hole, when you actually need to just remove the fucking game altogether).

I have made no bones about my position. I must stand by the Right thing to do, and IMO, that is to Carry the Flag of Jack Herer. IT IS A FUCKING HERB. Grass, Catnip, Crabgrass, Kentucky Bluegrass, ect ect ect. The only way to fix this mess it to remove the gameboard they are playing on. Therefore I am calling on everyone to put in the effort to put on your County 2014 Ballot, Language to allow for all out Legalization, any amount, any need, any reason for use. Fuel, Paper, Medicine, Home Construction Block and Concrete, Clothing, Food, Ect ect ect. It is time to RE Educate our Farmers on the benefits of growing hemp/cannabis. We need to allow the PEOPLE of Michigan to make a REAL VOTE.

I will be starting to work on getting a proposal together, to allow for any county in the State of Mi to use (adopt and fill in correct information for you county) to put for a Ballot Initiative on the local level, for the all out legalization. No one ounce limit, No limits at all, No medical use required. Only requirement is you be an Adult.


Michigan needs to put on its big boys and girls pants, and do exactly what we did to end the Prohibition of Alcohol. JUST OUTRIGHT LEGALIZE it on a State Level.

Question is, who else is going to put in the time and effort in each of their counties to get the required signatures to put this on the ballot in your county?


I dont know about you all, but I Fully Grasp the Severity of this Issue, and completely understand the endeavor this proposition is. My Home County is Bill SchuItte's Home County, SO For me, I would see it as a Major Community and Personal success to get a full out Decriminalization and Legalization Initiative to pass by his own HOMETOWN PRIDE!
 

Dr. Bob

Well-Known Member
well i have the inside scoop we are keeping our doors open till they force us to close ( My boss's Words not mine, and no im not telling you which dispensary lol sry im sure you understand) :bigjoint:bongsmilie
Sure just be sure you are right up in their face. Make them close you, get a headline about 'police force pot shop to close' while you are at it. Be sure to get that last little bit of money before you are 'forced to close'. That makes us all look really good. Be arrogant to the bitter end.

Listen to the ruling and shut down like a law abiding business.

Dr. Bob
 

Dr. Bob

Well-Known Member
A dispensary owner told me that there were bills that were going to be introduced to legalize dispensaries that haven't yet gotten voted on. Is there any truth to this that you know of doc?
I'm from the government and I am here to help you. Someday. The check is in the mail.

Of course there are things kicking around. I hope there will be some serious work done this session, but nothing particular is pending in the near or intermediate future.

Dr. Bob
 

Rare D MI

New Member
Yes, Jamie Lowell from 3rd coast and the MACC is working closely with a few representatives. The legislation is going to be introduced in the coming weeks.
 

Dr. Bob

Well-Known Member
Lol " bud tender" : one who goes from grow to grow tending others plants.

No
Actually, I was thinking about Blysma.

That was what he was doing. Otherwise please excuse my ignorance about the duties of mythical people. All I really know is what is in the act.

Dr. Bob
 

gladstoned

Well-Known Member
Yes, Jamie Lowell from 3rd coast and the MACC is working closely with a few representatives. The legislation is going to be introduced in the coming weeks.

Fuck I already told all my patients that they owe me an ounce a month now. Said due to rising gas prices, water shortages in other parts of the world, shit like that, prices went up a little.
I guess I should send out texts in the morning saying that I was just drunk.

(jk of course)
Im not drunk.
 

Rare D MI

New Member
I know, I just figured I'd give people some more concrete info, as Jamie is very outspoken about it, not really a secret. Gives people a direction to throw their support in.
 

JeromeT

Well-Known Member
Sure just be sure you are right up in their face. Make them close you, get a headline about 'police force pot shop to close' while you are at it. Be sure to get that last little bit of money before you are 'forced to close'. That makes us all look really good. Be arrogant to the bitter end.

Listen to the ruling and shut down like a law abiding business.

Dr. Bob

I think they should hold out. I would. If it wasn't for those who stayed open (GC3 comes to mind), there would be a lot of patients without needed meds. Genesee County has seemed to be good for small time growers and patients. An oasis of sorts. I would stay open as a sign of protest and defiance of an unjust law.
 

Rare D MI

New Member
If you aren't ready to go to jail for your beliefs in this situation, you have no reason being involved in this industry or the marijuana movement. Medical or recreational.
 

Sativasfied

Well-Known Member
Why not pass an amendment via ballot initiative that addresses p2p, p2c, c2c, c2p and dispensaries? I would think that ballot initiatives would also be used to help protect from corporate interests. The opt-out of the word Dispensary in the bill was from fear of not passing if included. Now that the voters have had some time getting use to the term along with the businesses in the community, let the people decide but by way of introduction by the people, not the politicians.
 

vertigo0007

New Member
Because that would fix shit. Turmoil and strife create legal system profits. Big ones. Thats like asking why the dumb bitch with big tits always falls when running away in a horror movie. Because there would be no story to profit from with out it.
 

Rare D MI

New Member
Why not pass an amendment via ballot initiative that addresses p2p, p2c, c2c, c2p and dispensaries? I would think that ballot initiatives would also be used to help protect from corporate interests. The opt-out of the word Dispensary in the bill was from fear of not passing if included. Now that the voters have had some time getting use to the term along with the businesses in the community, let the people decide but by way of introduction by the people, not the politicians.
Cause it takes like 300,000 signatures or so to get an initiative on a state wide ballot. It took 8 years to get medical passed this way in Michigan.
 

funkdr.

Member
If you aren't ready to go to jail for your beliefs in this situation, you have no reason being involved in this industry or the marijuana movement. Medical or recreational.
Will we be able to grow our medicine in jail, or will we have to have a caregiver bringing it to us. I'm just thinking how much commissary money I need to put away?
 
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