This Should Concern Everyone....2016
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Dr Kynes
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i havent seen those graphs (or any like them) anywhere. if you got a link ill take a look.
the text of obamacare may prohibit direct criminal action or liens for the actual fine/tax/penalty/whatever-the-fuck-it-is but such exemptions will have no bearing on the fees fines and levies laid by the IRS for failing to pay the tax/penalty/fine/fee/whatever-the-fuck-it-is.
even in the case of the income tax, the tax itself doesnt send you to prison, its the fines that accrue if you dont pay up. the tax is the pebble that starts the landslide, just like a traffic ticket that sits too long on the books.
case in point: after the expiration of my drivers license i was infromed that i could not renew it until i paid a parking ticket which was "outstanding", a parking ticket i was unaware of. i went through a shitload of bullshit,, paid the fine ($70) plus the "wadminitstrative fees (nearly $1000) and the "late fees" (over $1000) for a ticket which was alleged to have been kicking around the local courts for almost 2 years. fuck it, i paid it, it was done. it cost a little over $2000.
after my license was duely cleared, re-issued and the courts declared themselves satisfied, i got a NEW notice, this one claimed a 7 year old moving violation in san francisco in a car i had sold a couple years before the alleged violation, during a time when i was physically incapable of driving due to having my knee rebuilt surgically. it is notably difficult to drive a stick shift with your leg in a cast from ankle to hip, so the entire premise was dubious at best.
i decided to fight this ticket, and provided evidence that
A: i had sold that truck 2 years earlier BEFORE i was allegedly pulled over in it, with DMV records to prove it
B: i was physically incapable of being there with medical evidence to prove it
C: the alleged arresting officer was not present to support his assertions and the ticket was unsigned.
D: i had just jumped through a shitload of hoops to sort out another ticket, and the courts had failed to mention this little stinker existed.
the administrative law clerk (traffic judge) informed me Judge Dredd style "Fuck Your Evidence, I AM THE LAW!" and i should pay up or go to jail for 6 months and THEN pay up.
now you simply cannot be imprisoned for failing to pay traffic tickets since they are a civil matter, but the fees and fines that accrue over 7 years of secret accretion in a magic lockbox are another matter and those CAN be grounds for a criminal charge.
so yeah... $12000 later (Yep Twelve Thousand Bucks!) i finally got that shit sorted out, by pleading guilty to the imaginary traffic ticket and paying up, instead of being summarily found guilty and then paying up anyhow after an extended visit to the county's Bed and Breakfast facility in Folsom.
dont try to tell me civil cases cant become criminal, because they certainly can.
echelon1k1
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I’ve addressed your wacky concept of this claim ALREADY on two separate occasions. I’m not getting into it again with the mind fucked poster boy for glyphosphates. You loathe O’Care but don’t realise you’re an individual that would benefit most.
Since Global Research is a suitable defence in the AGW argument, it should suffice for these purposes.
“Wiped Off The Map” – The Rumor of the Century
A large majority of Jews reject the Zionist ideology and the problems it presents for both Israel and Palestine. In fact, Zionism is a clever attempt to swap religion with nationalism, thus using religion as a convenient “iron dome” if you will, against the incoming LEGITIMATE criticism of Israeli Government policies, human rights abuses and its attitudes towards the Palestinians. Your pathetic attempt to lure me into some more of your bullshit circular logic is another epic fail on your part. Anti-Zionism does not equate to Anti-Semitism. Bitten by the Dershowitz bug where you?
You have however done a great job parroting your advocacy for the ADL’s delusional "new anti-semitism". I’ve previously told you your playbook needs updating but again you’ve resorted to;
1. exaggeration and fabrication
2. mislabeling legitimate criticism of Israeli policy
3. the unjustified yet predictable spillover from criticism of Israel to Jews generally
4. Cite holocaust denial, Nazi support and Hitler innuendo to stifle Zionist criticism
The UN considers the definition of genocide to be;
1) the mental element, meaning the "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such", and
2) the physical element which includes five acts described in sections a, b, c, d and e. A crime must include both elements to be called "genocide."
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
My analysis and choice of words are appropriate for the situation. Genocide is Genocide. Use the term “ethnic cleansing” if it makes you feel a little better, either way you end up at the same conclusion. I invite you to cite my denial of the holocaust.
I can’t find any independent criticism of Latuff - Israeli NGO’s don’t count or their "cutout" lapdogs. These same NGO’s also label Norman Finkelstein, Noam Chomsky even Desmond Tutu as anti Semitic holocaust deniers. Can you point me to any links citing Latuff’ denials? Here’s Latuff’ own response to your absurd claims;
"In recent days, pro-Israel blogs have been published articles accusing me (guess what) of being a Holocaust denier. This happened because in 2006 I participated in the Holocaust Cartoon Contest that had been set up by the House of Cartoon in Tehran. This contest was a response to the Prophet Mohammed cartoons that had been published by the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten and was intended to test the Western limits of the freedom of speech. This new smear campaign was launched by Zionist bloggers due to some cartoons I had made for the activist group Code Pink for use in the Occupy AIPAC protests. It was intended to pressure the group into not using the artworks which were made by me, a so-called “Holocaust denier”. They say, among other things, that I am a Holocaust denier, but fail to prove their point. In the article, reproduced ad nauseam by them, there is not one article, opinion or cartoon made by me where I deny the existence of the Nazi Holocaust. It’s because I have never made such cartoons. These bloggers are trying to apply the old “a lie repeated many times over becomes a truth” tactic./strong
Furthermore, there are NO speech laws in Australia you redneck. Since you're so familiar with these PROPOSED laws then STOP referring to Australian Aboriginals as "ABO's" which is a racial slur. You should know since your racial & religious sensitivities run so deep - you're obviously a staunch supporter of human rights. Much like Israel's non-support of the UN human rights council and the recent finding that Israel is in violation of the 4th Geneva convention. But they must just be anti-semitic, holocaust deniers paid off by Syria to further their caliphate.
You’re a broken fuckin record. Here’s further proof of your retardation stemming from generations of inbreeding. Only trailer park trash would accuse me of the following while pissing on about how he cannot afford $88 per month for essential health care. Beautiful!
Dr Kynes
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yep, no speech codes in ausfalia.
Holocaust Denial in Australia In Australia, there are no specific statutes prohibiting Holocaust denial. However, the Australian courts have made it clear that Holocaust denial is a form of antisemitism and vilification, which is prohibited by Federal anti-discrimination laws. In doing so, Australian law has developed genuine protection against Holocaust denial, and has demonstrated that Jews will have a means of redress.
The leading judgement is that of Jones v Toben [2003] FCA 137 decided by the Federal Court of Australia in 2003. The case concerned a website of an extreme right wing group, the Adelaide Institute, run by Fredrick Toben. The material published on the website denies the reality of the Holocaust and makes antisemitic statements. This material was held to be in breach of the Racial Discrimination Act 1975 (Cth), as it was reasonably likely to offend, insult, or humiliate and intimidate Jews in Australia because of their origins. The court ordered the respondent, Adelaide Institute director Fredrick Toben, to remove all offensive material from the site.
When an order of the Court is not complied with, it is possible to charge a perpetrator with contempt of court. In 2007 the ECAJ brought a successful action for contempt of court, which required Toben and the Adelaide Institute to comply with the 2002 order.
~http://www.antidef.org.au/holocaust-denial-in-australia/w1/i1001453/
[h=1]Voice to be held in contempt[/h]
IN a legal first, Australia's most notorious Holocaust denier, Fredrik Toben, has been jailed for three months following the failure of his appeal this week for contempt of court arising from breaches of Australia's anti-vilification laws.
The sentence follows seven years of Toben repeatedly ignoring court orders requiring him to remove racist material from his Adelaide Institute website.
His journey to prison began in 2002 when the Federal Court found Toben's website breached the racial-hatred provisions of the Racial Discrimination Act.
According to the court, material on the site suggested the Holocaust did not occur, that there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz, that Jewish people who believed in the Holocaust were of limited intelligence and that they have exaggerated the number of Jews killed during World War II to profit from what he described as "a Holocaust myth".
But it's not these claims, no matter how offensive they may be, that have landed Toben with a prison term. There are no criminal sanctions under the act.
Toben is going to jail for contempt of court. He was ordered to remove the offending material and he didn't. He promised to remove the material and then reneged. He apologised to the court but then recanted. True to form, he all but invited the court to lock him up.
Toben referred to judges as "the Jewdiciary" and, again true to form, accused them of bias without a shred of evidence. We all have to obey the law and court orders. There are no special rules and privileges for the Tobens of this world.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/voice-to-be-held-in-contempt/story-e6frg6zo-1225763072046
i dont have the desire to go through and destroy each of your ridiculous claims and charges in specific, since youre just not worth the trouble.
Harrekin
Well-Known Member
Just out of interest, when is this whole holocaust thing gonna be pushed back into the pages of history where it belongs? It's been almost 60 years, Hitler is gone and we ALL know what happened at this stage.
Why do Jews cling to it like a shield against everything? Do past injustices give a get out of jail free card to certain groups? How long does this last for?
In short, when will people finally shut the fuck up about the holocaust and move forward?
Why do Jews cling to it like a shield against everything? Do past injustices give a get out of jail free card to certain groups? How long does this last for?
In short, when will people finally shut the fuck up about the holocaust and move forward?
Harrekin
Well-Known Member
Lol.
But in all seriousness tho, the 20th Century sucked for alot of groups, not just the Jews (for example Russia lost over 3x the number of Jews that were "holocausted" in WW2) but we live in a different world now.
The only countries militarily capable of committing such acts again would be the US and Israel...
ginjawarrior
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not having read this whole thread
i'm struggling to think of an occasion where a jewish person has brought up the holocaust that hasnt been a direct response to someone else bringing the subject up first
and with the above i'm also struggling to think of a time where they were trying to use the holocaust as a shield for anything
have you any examples?
Harrekin
Well-Known Member
Nathan-yahoo and his predecessor could not or can not make a speech without mentioning "we cannot allow what happened to us in the past happen again".
It was mentioned at the start of every Israeli military engagement for the past 10 years.
Do you not watch the news? Speeches? Or is it purely "book knowledge" you have on the subject?
ginjawarrior
Well-Known Member
linky please
Dr Kynes
Well-Known Member
i dont recall Bebe making any holocaust invocations save in response to, for example achmedinejihad "Totally Not Saying "wiped off the map" But Saying Shit His Own Press Office Translated That Way"
however your arguments do stand up when applied to Blacks in america, for whom slavery is a gris gris they hold close, and nurture. even BHO who has not ONE DROP of slave blood in his veins trotted that one out, to his dismay.
some clowns have a whipping boy they trot out at every opportunity, for some it's the spectre of Monsanto, for others it's the secrets revealed by the Troofers, for others it's the conspiracy theories about JFK, for others it's space aliens chem trails and a mystery "syndrome" that only afflicts mental patients and nutcases.
sometimes it's fun to poke them with a stick and watch them flail, but echii is a particularly vile specimen.
you might recall his invocation of the "rothschilds" in the GMO thread, and in his deranged world, even JP Morgan and the rockerfellers are servants of the vast conspiracy which he takes such pains to never associate with JEWS, but avails of every opportunity to point his crooked finger and shout J' ACCUSE!!! at any member of the hebrew community who is insufficiently apologetic to achmediniejihad and his cronies.
it's not TECHNICALLY Jew Bashing, it's just a consistent pattern of bashing Jews.
ginjawarrior
Well-Known Member
dog whistles can be used with great effect
Canna Sylvan
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Doc,
The Shadow People and The Old Hag (syndrome) are scary!
The Shadow People and The Old Hag (syndrome) are scary!
Dr Kynes
Well-Known Member
Choo Know about Fades Bunny?
Beware the Moss, Beware the Moor.
They Stalk, Riding the Darkling Winds!
servants of the Bitch Queen from the Depths Of Glashtin!
BOOGEDY BOOGEDY BOO!!
Canna Sylvan
Well-Known Member
The Fades is just a shitty British TV show.
The Shadow People and the Old Hag are psychic vampires. They've been mentioned in literature for thousands of years. In Tanzania, for instance, they're called the Popo Bawa. I'm really lucky their kind only fucks black people in the ass. The supernatural are racist nazi shits!
Dr Kynes
Well-Known Member
nahh bro, a Fade is a wretched shade who managed to escape from Anwnn. they dwell in shadows, and travel by stepping from one shadow to the next in search of a fool they can dominate to gain a form.
they are sometimes referred to as shadow people,
The Hag is one of the aspects of the Bitch Queen Morrigan, the chooser of the slain.
other Hags get up to mischeif now and again but Hags are not necessarily malevolent, and The Morrigan is the Queen of the Honored Dead. she's still a bitch though. she tricked chuchullainn into slaying his best bro, and Lifelong Wingman Findian.
she played a considerable role in the Red Branch Cycle,
echelon1k1
New Member
You'll note YOU actually started in with the "jew" garbage. For the record, you actually started in with Uncle Buck. After I questioned your Bircher rant that buck posted a copy of, you jumped right on the anti-semetic bandwagon exaggerating, skewing & distorting statements made to suit your warped version of reality.
Just because the Rothchild family happens to be Jewish, does not exclude them from mention when discussing the FED. As I stated they deserve their place among the banking dynasties of the Rockerfellers & Morgans.
keep wanking away your credibility with your garbage, tiresome defence - just like your commie flouride conspiracy troofer syndrome...
echelon1k1
New Member
Thats how you keep your missus in the yard...
echelon1k1
New Member
One case on a law that is generally the domain of worker’s rights. Something you in the US are not familiar with (otherwise you’d still have a job) Tobin deserved what he got, he was posting lies and in contempt of court.yep, no speech codes in ausfalia.
Holocaust Denial in Australia In Australia, there are no specific statutes prohibiting Holocaust denial. However, the Australian courts have made it clear that Holocaust denial is a form of antisemitism and vilification, which is prohibited by Federal anti-discrimination laws. In doing so, Australian law has developed genuine protection against Holocaust denial, and has demonstrated that Jews will have a means of redress.
The leading judgement is that of Jones v Toben [2003] FCA 137 decided by the Federal Court of Australia in 2003. The case concerned a website of an extreme right wing group, the Adelaide Institute, run by Fredrick Toben. The material published on the website denies the reality of the Holocaust and makes antisemitic statements. This material was held to be in breach of the Racial Discrimination Act 1975 (Cth), as it was reasonably likely to offend, insult, or humiliate and intimidate Jews in Australia because of their origins. The court ordered the respondent, Adelaide Institute director Fredrick Toben, to remove all offensive material from the site.
When an order of the Court is not complied with, it is possible to charge a perpetrator with contempt of court. In 2007 the ECAJ brought a successful action for contempt of court, which required Toben and the Adelaide Institute to comply with the 2002 order.
~http://www.antidef.org.au/holocaust-denial-in-australia/w1/i1001453/
Voice to be held in contempt
IN a legal first, Australia's most notorious Holocaust denier, Fredrik Toben, has been jailed for three months following the failure of his appeal this week for contempt of court arising from breaches of Australia's anti-vilification laws.
The sentence follows seven years of Toben repeatedly ignoring court orders requiring him to remove racist material from his Adelaide Institute website.
His journey to prison began in 2002 when the Federal Court found Toben's website breached the racial-hatred provisions of the Racial Discrimination Act.
According to the court, material on the site suggested the Holocaust did not occur, that there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz, that Jewish people who believed in the Holocaust were of limited intelligence and that they have exaggerated the number of Jews killed during World War II to profit from what he described as "a Holocaust myth".
But it's not these claims, no matter how offensive they may be, that have landed Toben with a prison term. There are no criminal sanctions under the act.
Toben is going to jail for contempt of court. He was ordered to remove the offending material and he didn't. He promised to remove the material and then reneged. He apologised to the court but then recanted. True to form, he all but invited the court to lock him up.
Toben referred to judges as "the Jewdiciary" and, again true to form, accused them of bias without a shred of evidence. We all have to obey the law and court orders. There are no special rules and privileges for the Tobens of this world.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/voice-to-be-held-in-contempt/story-e6frg6zo-1225763072046
i dont have the desire to go through and destroy each of your ridiculous claims and charges in specific, since youre just not worth the trouble.
Point me to where I mention or even imply what Tobin has claimed.
[ According to the court, material on the site suggested the Holocaust did not occur, that there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz, that Jewish people who believed in the Holocaust were of limited intelligence and that they have exaggerated the number of Jews killed during World War II to profit from what he described as "a Holocaust myth".]
I’ve been to Auschwitz & Dachu – I’ve seen the chambers. Why would I deny they exist or their purposes ?
Again you rely on Israeli NGOs who pushed the point ad nauseum. Much like how these same NGO's vilified the PM after abstaining at the UN. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/gillard-reassures-israel-of-backing-despite-un-vote-20121128-2ae77.html
The author of the Australian piece is the ED of the Executive Council of Australian Jewry another NGO, who's credibility here is a JOKE. The law firm they represented at the time is currently the subject of an ongoing corruption investigation still in the early stages. Our PM used to work there and I know for a FACT that this particular law firm has a history of stretching the truth – to say the least.
By your standards the inherent conflict of interest would rule out the contents validity as being tainted with bias. That's how it works when arguing for or against GM foods isn't it? Why is it any different here? Same goes with mentioning anyone funded by the Koch brothers.
You won't silence my criticism and you still CANNOT cite one instance where I denied the holocaust took place. Thankyou, come again!