Let's talk about this stupid immigration issue

[ChesusRice]

Some towns and some countys and some states don't have enough money to do what you want to do.....The land of opportunity has changed....And where I live the court house hired a full time worker to translate spainish to service all the imigrants at the court house......You need to get your stats from a place where the problems are, because that is not true everywhere.....

See already they have helped the economy create jobs

 

[nitro harley]

See already they have helped the economy create jobs

Thats the wrong kind of job for the economy....It's been a good civil discussion , no need to continue............nitro..

 

[ChesusRice]

Thats the wrong kind of job for the economy....It's been a good civil discussion , no need to continue............nitro..

But there’s some evidence that there’s a net economic benefit to illegal immigration, even with such costs factored in. In 2006, the
Texas state comptroller, a Republican, released a study showing that illegal immigrants produced more in state revenues than they received in state services in the previous year: “Undocumented immigrants produced $1.58 billion in state revenues, which exceeded the $1.16 billion in state services they received.” (The study also notes that “local governments bore the burden of $1.44 billion in uncompensated health care costs and local law enforcement costs not paid for by the state,” without providing figures about local revenues that these immigrants generated.) The comptroller estimated, moreover, that the Texas workforce would decline by 6.3 percent without the illegal immigrant population, even accounting for new arrivals that would most likely come to replace them.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/post/how-much-did-illegal-immigrants-contribute-to-texas-economic-boom/2011/08/19/gIQASvBFQJ_blog.html

 

[ChesusRice]

Thats the wrong kind of job for the economy....It's been a good civil discussion , no need to continue............nitro..

Maybe this will help
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in_the_United_States

 

[ChesusRice]

Thats the wrong kind of job for the economy....It's been a good civil discussion , no need to continue............nitro..

maybe this will help
Yet the consensus among most economists is that immigration, both legal and illegal, provides a small net boost to the economy. Immigrants provide cheap labor, lower the prices of everything from produce to new homes, and leave consumers with a little more money in their pockets. They also replenish—and help fund benefits for—an aging American labor force that will retire in huge numbers over the next few decades. Also, an increase in the number of American workers is needed to prevent the U.S. from having too few working-age adults to pay for retiree benefits in a few decades, as many European nations currently do. So why is there such a discrepancy between the perception of immigrants’ impact on the economy and the reality?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2010/05/14/why-americans-think-wrongly-that-illegal-immigrants-hurt-the-economy.html

 

[nontheist]

You and me, we are not going be on the same page.....Lets get back to 2013.....I really don't have a problem with all mexican immigrants ......The ones I know personally work hard and they are my friends at a place where I do some of my business .......I along with others helped a cupple of those hard working mexicans to become citizens......It took a while but they earned it and it is behind them now.....We can't help them all but the ones that earn it get there in the end..................

What do you want to do?....do you want them to earn it or just make it a gift after others earned it?

This fucking guy isn't in the same reality

 

[nontheist]

*I want the immigration system fixed. There should not be quotas. Those are racist by nature. Make it equal for everyone. This is the land of opportunity, If they cant make it they get shipped back. Those that are here work hard pay taxes and commit crimes at lower rates than the native born population. No one here can name a time in history where immigration has not benefitted the USA.
Except for the racists. They create their own set of facts

Your little peabrain can't see any consequences? This is an honest question

 

[nontheist]

maybe this will help
Yet the consensus among most economists is that immigration, both legal and illegal, provides a small net boost to the economy. Immigrants provide cheap labor, lower the prices of everything from produce to new homes, and leave consumers with a little more money in their pockets. They also replenish—and help fund benefits for—an aging American labor force that will retire in huge numbers over the next few decades. Also, an increase in the number of American workers is needed to prevent the U.S. from having too few working-age adults to pay for retiree benefits in a few decades, as many European nations currently do. So why is there such a discrepancy between the perception of immigrants’ impact on the economy and the reality?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2010/05/14/why-americans-think-wrongly-that-illegal-immigrants-hurt-the-economy.html

also all your little studies go out of their way to exclude tax payer cost for illegals children, this is when shit gets real. post some numbers what taxpayer pay per illegal immigrants child. education, welfare, food stamps, healthcare.

 

[UncleBuck]

also all your little studies go out of their way to exclude tax payer cost for illegals children, this is when shit gets real. post some numbers what taxpayer pay per illegal immigrants child. education, welfare, food stamps, healthcare.

welfare anchor babies! all mexicans are lazy and can't take care of their children!

 

[UncleBuck]

also all your little studies go out of their way to exclude tax payer cost for illegals children, this is when shit gets real. post some numbers what taxpayer pay per illegal immigrants child. education, welfare, food stamps, healthcare.

taxpayers also pay for children of legal citizens with respect to education, welfare, food stamps, and health care. do you just hate those 15 child having, uneducated, mexican babies or something?

oh, that's right. you blame the children. a child sitting in his dad's truck should also be subject to a speeding ticket if his dad speeds, according to you.

oh, the logic of a bigoted southerner. something to behold.

 

[nontheist]

welfare anchor babies! all mexicans are lazy and can't take care of their children!

Should we ignore that cost when figuring illegal immigration, it's directly linked we wouldn't have on without the other.

 

[nontheist]

taxpayers also pay for children of legal citizens with respect to education, welfare, food stamps, and health care. do you just hate those 15 child having, uneducated, mexican babies or something?

oh, that's right. you blame the children. a child sitting in his dad's truck should also be subject to a speeding ticket if his dad speeds, according to you.

oh, the logic of a bigoted southerner. something to behold.

Why do you not want to talk about the numbers? Shines a whole new fucking light on the bullshit you're trying to fling

 

[Harrekin]

maybe this will help
Yet the consensus among most economists is that immigration, both legal and illegal, provides a small net boost to the economy. Immigrants provide cheap labor, lower the prices of everything from produce to new homes, and leave consumers with a little more money in their pockets. They also replenish—and help fund benefits for—an aging American labor force that will retire in huge numbers over the next few decades. Also, an increase in the number of American workers is needed to prevent the U.S. from having too few working-age adults to pay for retiree benefits in a few decades, as many European nations currently do. So why is there such a discrepancy between the perception of immigrants’ impact on the economy and the reality?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2010/05/14/why-americans-think-wrongly-that-illegal-immigrants-hurt-the-economy.html

Cheap labour also drives down local wages, it's self defeating and an intellectually dishonest position to adopt.

 

[UncleBuck]

Why do you not want to talkabout that number? Shines a whole new fucking light at the bullshit you're try to fling

first off, whatever you're talking about with respect to "excluding that number" is bullshit from a neo-nazi, white supremacist hate group. or possibly an opinion piece based off of said neo-nazi hate group.

i have posted many better studies and can post many more better studies that directly contradict your neo-nazi studies.

second, why do you talk about education costs for children? the parents live here, they pay property taxes.

 

[nontheist]

first off, whatever you're talking about with respect to "excluding that number" is bullshit from a neo-nazi, white supremacist hate group. or possibly an opinion piece based off of said neo-nazi hate group.

i have posted many better studies and can post many more better studies that directly contradict your neo-nazi studies.

second, why do you talk about education costs for children? the parents live here, they pay property taxes.

bullshit LA county post is out annually you can get numbers all over the place I am not even talking about fair US and the fucking numbers are staggering. IRS estimated 11.2billion in taxes they paid federally and acknowledged they play the system do get billions back.

 

[UncleBuck]

bullshit LA county post is out annually you can get numbers all over the place I am not even talking about fair US and the fucking numbers are staggering. IRS estimated 11.2billion in taxes they paid federally and acknowledged they play the system do get billions back.

either take the dick out of your mouth and try again, or learn to type in english and try again. i don't even know what in the hell you are angrily yapping about.

 

[nontheist]

first off, whatever you're talking about with respect to "excluding that number" is bullshit from a neo-nazi, white supremacist hate group. or possibly an opinion piece based off of said neo-nazi hate group.

i have posted many better studies and can post many more better studies that directly contradict your neo-nazi studies.

second, why do you talk about education costs for children? the parents live here, they pay property taxes.

First only an ambulance chasing lawyer dubbed it that and has been called quoted "nothing but a 'con-artist by news anchors, second the only complaint is its study is it counted children and liberals cant fucking stand it.

 

[nontheist]

Here is an example bucky for one county for foodstamps alone
California is America’s Sanctuary State – and Mexico’s outsourced welfare state.
The Los Angeles County Department of Public Social Services reported that more than $100 million in welfare benefits were issued to illegal alien parents for their native-born children in June and July alone, announced Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich.
The $100 million consists of nearly $40 million in CalWORKs (welfare) and $70 million in food stamps — representing 22% of all CalWORKs and food stamp issuances in the County. At this rate, theprojected annual cost is more than $625 million.

“With the $550 million for public safety and nearly $500 million for healthcare, the total cost for illegal immigrants to County taxpayers exceeds $1.6 billion dollars a year,” said Antonovich. “These costs do not include the hundreds of millions of dollars for education.”
​

So a staggering 22% of ALL welfare payouts for L.A. County go to illegal aliens and their children – more than 90% from Mexico.
http://antonovich.com/projected-annual-welfare-costs-for-children-of-illegal-aliens-to-exceed-635-million/

 

[UncleBuck]

First only an ambulance chasing lawyer dubbed it that and has been called quoted "nothing but a 'con-artist by news anchors

actually, the SPLC labels them a hate group, just as they label the KKK a hate group and the NBPP a hate group.

it's a hate group, and it's founder is a neo-nazi white supremacist.

and you love citing them for obvious reasons (bigoted southerner).

second the only complaint is its study is it counted children and liberals cant fucking stand it.

once again, learn to type in english.

 

[UncleBuck]

Here is an example bucky for one county for foodstamps alone
California is America’s Sanctuary State – and Mexico’s outsourced welfare state.
The Los Angeles County Department of Public Social Services reported that more than $100 million in welfare benefits were issued to illegal alien parents for their native-born children in June and July alone, announced Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich.
The $100 million consists of nearly $40 million in CalWORKs (welfare) and $70 million in food stamps — representing 22% of all CalWORKs and food stamp issuances in the County. At this rate, theprojected annual cost is more than $625 million.

“With the $550 million for public safety and nearly $500 million for healthcare, the total cost for illegal immigrants to County taxpayers exceeds $1.6 billion dollars a year,” said Antonovich. “These costs do not include the hundreds of millions of dollars for education.”
​

So a staggering 22% of ALL welfare payouts for L.A. County go to illegal aliens and their children – more than 90% from Mexico.
http://antonovich.com/projected-annual-welfare-costs-for-children-of-illegal-aliens-to-exceed-635-million/

you just cited an old bigot who was sued for trying to disenfranchise latinos.

are you fucking retarded? do you know what a fair, unbiased source is?

from antonovich's wiki page:

Hispanic supervisor district

In August 1988, the*ACLU of Southern California, the*Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund, and the*U.S. Department of Justice*brought a lawsuit (Garza v. County of Los Angeles) charging supervisor districts in Los Angeles County were drawn to disenfranchise*Latinos*in violation of the federal*Voting Rights Act.*