2nd indoor grow CFLs and organics! bubblegum + bagseed advice please

[Jman305]

Got a little nervous about the water bubbling over, as there was already a small puddle in the floor, so I took 2 cups of the AACT out and split it between Pinky and Bagseed. I'll go take pics of them now so you can see. REALLY need more P for bagseed. I'll show you the deficiency up close. It will really help make taking viable clones easier because the stems are woody and not so likely to root right now, unless by some miracle the ones I took did. I tried to get them from the softest growth on the plant. Pinky is showing a little sign of nute burn at the tips of her leaves, thinking the ferts might have finally become available or else the sheer amount she drinks has released a little too much food for her to eat. I have to feed her the high P and high K tea though, because as SOON as the clones root and I can transfer my blackberry, mint, and basil to my veg chamber, they are flowering! And I already know she eats the hell out of P and K in flower from my buddy that gifted me the clone.

 

[Jman305]

Ok folks, here's the pics, as promised.

Bagseed whole plant


P Deficiency on underside of Bagseed. Notice the red/purple stem and petiole.


Pinky from the right.


Pinky from the left. See the light green I mentioned in my earlier post?


Triple Crown Blackberry!

 

[Jman305]

The drooping in Bagseed is over watering. I'm going to have to keep my AACT well fed until she is ready for another watering. Pinky will need more water tomorrow or the middle of Saturday. Bagseed probably wont need any until Saturday night or Sunday midday. Word of advice, if your AACT smells anything other than sweet and "earthy," then you need to throw it out and start over. The sweet smell is from the Aerobic organisms, the sour, rotten, "stale" smell, is from Anaerobic organisms.

 

[Jman305]

Update. Bagseed was thirsty, so was Pinky. I over watered Pinky by about .2 liters, but she was major drooped over. Starting to show signs of P deficiency. Need to get some organic ferts soon or start making stronger teas.

 

[Jman305]

Update: Fed Pinky and Bagseed each .8 liters of some pretty strong AACT. I used extra guano, double the normal amount, added mushroom compost, 1 tsp silica, 1 Tbsp of FFOF, doubled the Kelp meal, added 1/4 tsp CalMg, and at the last minute I added 3/4 tsp of Fish Emulsion, and of course 1 Tbsp Molasses, all came to pH 6.5. This was on the 12th. Tonight I made more of the same, but increased the Fish Emulsion to 1 1/4 tsp and added it at the same time as everything else. It came out 7.0, so I added 1/2 tsp lemon juice fresh squeezed. Oh, and I planted one of the seeds from a lemon a few days ago that smelled incredible, keeping my fingers crossed it comes out nice. Its in coco and FFOF with perlite and lots of guano for rooting and fruiting, it is a tree. I'm going to get some smart pots here after school starts. I'm going to go 5 Liter for everything and eventually get a few more 3 and 7.5 Liters to accommodate certain individuals. LST'd Pink on 4 branches. She is getting so thick, she is wrapping around the container from all the tying, she will be a BEAST when I get the Chrome. I foresee 3ft colas of thick, dripping pink flowers. Dream big, haha.

 

[Jman305]

Update: Went out 2 days ago now (suns about to come up ) and got a General Organics Go Box. Wasn't too bad, $41 after tax. I've seen cheaper online, but not waiting for shipping is worth it sometimes. I gave them the recommended feeding for continual veg growth, but instead of 10 mL grow, I used 7.5 and instead of BioMarine 5mL, I used 7.5 mL to try and fix the P deficiency. Squid smells MUCH BETTER than Fish Emulsion, for those of you thinking about organic nutes. The rest of them really don't smell that bad. When you compare to fish poop though, there's not much worse . I gave .8 liters of water and food to each Pinky and Bagseed. The other .4 liters went to the blackberry and mint and some new guineas I'm trying to revive. I put the other half gallon in another container and put an airstone in it. I added a little artichoke water, and used the rest as a "wet season" day for the plants, as they contain loads of nutrients, and when boiled, most go into the water. I'm thinking about poring half the nutrient solution out and adding in 2.5 ml bloom to back off on the N and more aggressively combat the P deficiency in Bagseed and what is starting to be P deficiency in Pinky. Grow is 4-3-3 and Bloom is 2-4-4 and BioMarine is 2-3-1. The feeding chart says no bloom until after first signs of pistils, but if I'm P deficient, I don't think this is such a bad idea? Anyone have any thoughts?! Btw, going to get the Blackstar Chrome 6 spot. It will be shortly after New Years. Clones all died, I have proper nutes now to get them the food they needed to root. They were dying from not being able to absorb anything. I might just switch to aero cloning, but I'm going to give coco a few more tries. After the deficiency is fixed, I'm going to take new cuttings and pray for roots. Once roots show, its flower time! I'm shooting for 2 ozs on Bagseed and 2.5-3 on Pinky. Don't think that's too far off, even thought I'm using CFL for the veg time I have. Can't imagine how big they'd be with proper lighting and no deficiencies.

 

[Jman305]

Update: Thirsty again, added 2.5 mL of BioThrive Bloom to more aggressively combat the P deficiency. I decided against pouring it out and remixing, I will burn bagseed with the N slightly, but I'm willing to sacrifice that to get her having softer stems and no purpling from lack of P. This is the first time my teas have ever had the kind of microbial growth that was present when I went to water. They had colonized in masses to the point my airstone was getting clogged and the sides above the tea had a thickness. I watered it all out between them. Pinky getting .75 and Bagseed getting 1.25. Bagseed got the majority of the thickness. Found baby fungus gnats. Its been very wet lately. Gave them a good neem oil spray. Btw no more thrips. Dosed the fuck out of them for a week and a half every 3 days and they were gone. I bent more of Pinky's stems. She is getting too big for the lights I have. She is going to have soooooo many tops. I just hope my light will penetrate past the first 4 nodes. My buddy that gifted me the clone should be getting close to halfway flowering with his and last we talked, his were 6' 6." I've tied mine down though, and topped, but untopped and tied, she would be 28" I estimate, so about the same size when done flowering. I've just had to veg longer due to lower quality lighting. I'm working on redesigning my setup for my clone and veg tent so that I can more efficiently store all the parents and cuttings I need while still being able to collect pollen, brew teas, and veg the next round. Is anyone still following, or is this just personal notes for myself?! I realize flowering is the fun part, but where's the discussion?!

 

[Jman305]

Started brewing the next batch of nutes a few minutes ago. Pinky is displaying P deficiency now, so I switched to flower nutes, minus BioBud and only made a half gallon(2 liters.) I mixed nutes like veg, but swapped out grow for bloom, and did double dosage on it to nip the problem in the bud. I also did 7.5 ml of Bio Marine instead of 5 ml, because it has a high P ratio as well. Pinky will need watering tonight or tomorrow morning, and Bagseed can probably go til tomorrow night or the next day. I accidentally broke a branch on Bagseed, but not all the way off, and I swear it exploded over night. It was also when I switched nutes though. I was going to take clones, but I'm not worrying about that until these gals are healthy again and all green. That is the priority for the moment. The "thickness" looked to be causing fungus growth, so I scooped it out and sprayed the dirt with neem extract. Still mulling over the veg/clone/mother/pollen tent. My phone is completely broken, and I don't know when I'll be getting a new one, but I'll still do text updates. I will definitely try and get one around the time I get the light and get the flowering process going or for certain by the time flowering is over. I know that no one wants to miss that.

 

[Jman305]

Update: Fed Pinky 2 nights ago, she was drooping, so it was time. I fed flower nutes, at 1.5 times the dose, minus the BioBud sweetener, to get rid of the P deficiency as soon as possible, and I brewed the rest for Bagseed until yesterday morning, when lights came on she was drooping, so I watered. Bagseed's deficiency is more progressed than Pinky's, but she is putting rapid new green growth out. So far, I have nothing but good things to say about the General Organics Go Box. Super good microbe content, I've never had foam like this! Today, at lights on, I went to check on the plants to see if the ferts were starting to work and Pinky was drooping over again, so I just fed her, and didn't start the tea for Bagseed yet but I will tomorrow.

 

[Jman305]

Update: I fed the ladies again today, Pinky is getting more P deficient so I upped to dosage on both to 1.5x BioBloom strength and 1.25x BioMarine strength. Bagseed has a little bit of new growth, but the stems arent recovering like I would like for them to. Bagseed drank a full liter, but Pinky only wanted .85 liters. I still gave her the full watering, just to make her extra saturated, didn't help much though, got a decent amount of runoff.

 

[giggles26]

Hey buddy im not trying to be a dick by any means but no one has followed this thread or said anything since I said something last which was almost 2 months ago.

Post some pics if you are having so many problems. Just ask us a few questions were here to help but no one wants to sift thru everything you post to figure out what your problem is.

I really think you are making this hobby a lot more complicated then it needs to be.

Best wishes to you and hope all your problems get fixed.

 

[Jman305]

My camera is kinda broke atm so I don't really have a way of doing that, I've figured out what my problem is, its just taking awhile to fix because it went on for so long. I've upped the strength on nutes again for the 3rd feeding in a row, I finally saw improvement, so that's where I'm leaving it. I've almost got enough money for my new light, so once that happens, the real fun will begin!

 

[Jman305]

Update: I'm pretty sure the cuttings I took on New Years are rooting, 3 haven't drooped at all in 2 days. 3 of them have, but are still alive and respond when misted, so I'm continuing. I took two new, larger *ahem* longer cuttings today and mixed my own version of cloning gel, surprisingly, 1 didn't droop at all, the other one did. I'm starting to realize that I have had more luck with cloning by topping than I have by taking a cutting from a branch closer to the base of the plant. I discovered a ginormous spider mite infestation on Pinky today. I cleaned my entire tent with Chlorox wipes and allowed it to dry completely before putting anything back in. I took all my plants outside and sprayed them with Cone and Jet functions on my hose sprayer from upside down so as to wash the mites completely off. I then took them inside and placed them in direct sun to dry (it was about 52 when I did this.) I made a rosemary and garlic tea and put it in an old neem oil spray bottle and sprayed the shit out of all my plants on top and bottom of the leaves. I have seen this advice on several different organic websites and University studies. It was also on the mycology forums. I got the soil a little wet and it was time for a watering today so I just gave them each .25 liters of food and put the other .5 liters to brew with an airstone until either tomorrow evening (technically tonight now) or else the day after. Pinky is about the same on recovering from P deficiency, continuing the same dose for the time being. Bagseed is getting much better and is starting to get her smell again but she was still infested with mites as well. Oh btw, I had the worst, the INFAMOUS brown and white speckled ones. >_< -_- So keep your fingers crossed. I know people would love to have my humidity, but its bothersome when its breeding grounds for pests. I have got to fix that. Its not horrible for veg right now, and its prime for flower, but I need to get it to 50-70% so I can grow a true representation of a sativa.

I'm really looking forward to ordering Mosca Negra's C-99 bx1. I've seen rave review after review and AMAZING nug and smoke reports. I'm talking these plants were beautiful. One pheno yielded 7 ozs. I believe it was only 1 month veg. There was 1200 watts total and 4 plants. Yield was 19.6 oz or .457 gpw. Avg yield was 4.9 per plant. All of them flowered right at the 52-53 day mark. Except one, the most sativa pheno, which could have gone 60-62 days imo. It still had white pistils, but there were some amber trichs, and C-99 is racy as is, so I don't know about taking it all the way to amber, but once I find the pheno keeper, I will do 3 diff chops. Clear, Milky, Amber harvest and we'll see.

I've been seeing more and more hard times with DP and DJ short BB. Even the true BB. I know thai is prone to hermies, but I don't feel comfortable having to buy 4-5 packs to find the one BB that has the classic taste and smell and turns blue regardless of temps. I saw a journal one time on here though where someone named Snafu got their seeds from marijuana seeds .nl. He only popped 5 and had 4 females and 3 that turned blue, but only one of them all the way, and 2 of them that had the BB smell and flavor. If I can't get BB then I think I'm either going with DP Jorge's Diamond, Cannabiogen Sandstorm, WoS Delirium, Greenhouse Indica Mix H or maybe E. But I kinda want to do WW from the original source and grow it along side WoS Brazilian Indica. Make a pure Brazilian Hybrid. Sorry tangent, super baked. Scraped my bowl for resin and threw all my keif on there from my grinder. Been out for a couple days trying to save back for the light. I'm about 85% there. I also am looking into Sagarmartha Blue Thunder, Blue Bud, and Mongolian Indica. Also one last one, WoS Ketama from Northern Morocco. I'm ALL about some exotic cannabis. My goal is grow at least one strain from every country. I also love buds and plants that color. I need an Indica that I can function on, or knock myself out, but at my discretion. I love the berry and fruit flavors, but I also like the hash and musk flavors. Lemon Skunk would be great, too. I'm a big fan of the lingering on the palate. If anyone has any experience with any of these strains, please let me know. I'm not really big on Fem seeds, so its unlikely that I'll go for Greenhouse unless its the Lemon Skunk. Although Himalayan Gold sounds wonderful. I know I didn't really mention any Afghani or Pakistani strains, minus the last two, but I don't want to conform!!! There seems to be a lot of Mazar I Sharif crosses going around, but I think I'll wait to see what all the buzz is about (pun intended.) That's kinda what Bagseed is though. I'm trying to have a little variation in there.

 

[Jman305]

UPDATE: Well guys, still no camera, but I will be changing that soon. Hopefully next week. My light is finally here! Shipped retarded super fast! ITS FUCKING BRIGHT! I had a buddy come over to help me hang it, as the hanger it came with is not adjustable, and the ones I ordered aren't here as of yet. We stepped outside the tent and saw as if through a green lens for about 2 minutes! DEFINITELY GETTING SUNGLASSES!! I have the light at ~18-22 inches from canopy and no signs of bleaching. This actually covers the manufacture suggested coverage area. 1 could do a 4x4 tent, but 2 would be best. Lighthouse recommends backing the light off for veg, but seeing as I have only 2 plants, I see nothing wrong with slamming it down as long as there's no bleaching, and after 2 days, there's no bleaching!

I was sick all week last week and missed an application of my anti-mite spray and so the eggs matured and made another generation, so I'm either doing what I did before, as it worked, minus user error, or I'm buying predator mites. I will not flower until the mites are controlled.

If you guys wonder what they look like, I can't post pics, but my dealer came by to check them out (I know the rules of telling people, but we're the same kind of thinking, don't screw people over. we're just hippies. I don't associate with dick heads.) and he said they are by far the nicest plants out of about 10 grows he's seen, even the commercial grows with far higher plant counts. It put a SMILE on my face lol. (anyone catch the reference?)

I was in the hydro store the other day talking to the owner, complaining of my cloning troubles and he just GAVE ME some expensive ass rooting solution! It made my day, I never have stuff like that happen. It has a key ingredient that my home-made gel and other store bought rooting powders I have bought was missing, willow extract. This has been listed as nature's best rooting compound on every organic forum I've read that contains anything about cuttings or cloning. The gel I purchased by the same company had a compound also lacking in other rooting compounds, Vitamin B1, or Thiamine. It was a surprise but at the same time not, as it occurred to me upon reading the label that I had seen this listed before as a rooting essential and a root health essential. I took some cuttings, and they didn't wilt for 6 days, and today needed water and more misting, and I obliged, as well as gave them 3/4 nutes (heavy feeders.) My other cutting has rooted, as I removed the dome and it has not drooped over at all in 35% humidity. I will have very healthy cuttings to chose from for mothers, but I think I already know which ones. I will probably just put the other 3 in 8" containers and flower them on the side of the tent for an in between harvest after this round is partially in flower. Most likely it will be 4-6 weeks in.

I'm pretty sure that I've finalized the mother/veg/clone/pollen tent and I will be doing finalized drawings and blueprints to estimate cost within the next week. I recently got access to several grow rooms and therefore cuttings. I'm going to grab some Caramelo and a grape flavored cutting. That will be all until I get my C99. After that, it will be Kiliminjaro or Columbian Gold, and after that, it shall be WW and Brazilian landrace Indica.

 

[Jman305]

Well I made an effort to rid my plants of the mites today, but there's simply too many leaves and too dense of growth for me to get all of them. I'm going to order some predators if I can't get them under control with the rosemary and garlic spray. If anyone has used them before and has a good place to order from, or a specific species that is good for al stages of growth, eggs through adult, I'd appreciate it if you'd point me in the right direction.

I brought my timer from the veg tent over to use for my exhaust fan in an effort to regulate humidity better so as to destabilize the environment of the mites. They like hot and dry, and that's precisely what my room was. I had it on 30 mins on, 1 and a half hours off, and temps were a constant 79 with humidity getting as high as 46% and as low as 27%. I switched that to only come on for 30 mins once every 4 hours, and temps went to high of 81, and humidity hasn't dropped below 38%, so this might be a step in the right direction. I'm really trying to not have to buy a humidifier, as that's just one more thing in the room to maintain, and more floor space that could be used for another cutting.

I'm still trying to figure out how to collect the runoff for my future mothers in the veg cab. I was going to use square pots, and it wouldn't be as much of an issue to just remove them, but then I have to really stay on top of root trimming, and with 15 strains, I think that'd be too much for me. I was going to use 3 3/4" netpots with coco as a way to do DIY air pruning, I just need a way to collect the run off, especially the ones in the back that I won't have access to the underneath, so as not to encourage mold growth. I've thought of anything from the bottoms of 2 liters on stands with aquarium tubing going to a removable drip pan, to cutting some PVC in half and making a trough. I'd appreciate any brainstorming on this.

I recently got access to several local growers who are willing to exchange cuttings. This will be a truly amazing opportunity. There is much variety here.

 

[calicatt79]

WOW!!! That's a lot of stuff going on there. Congrats on the new light....

Remember....LIGHTS+WATER+FOOD+A WHOLE LOTTA LOVE= Happy WEEDS

Good luck and hope you get some pics soon. How about neem oil for your mites? I've heard of that being pretty efficent on riding the little fuckers!

 

[giggles26]

WOW!!! That's a lot of stuff going on there. Congrats on the new light....

Remember....LIGHTS+WATER+FOOD+A WHOLE LOTTA LOVE= Happy WEEDS

Good luck and hope you get some pics soon. How about neem oil for your mites? I've heard of that being pretty efficent on riding the little fuckers!

Neem oil is great and organic

 

[calicatt79]

wish I could send this kid a bottle of this organic spider mite control stuff that SNS sent me as samples. Hopefully I'll never need it

 

[giggles26]

wish I could send this kid a bottle of this organic spider mite control stuff that SNS sent me as samples. Hopefully I'll never need it

Mites suck ass! I hate fucking mites!

 

[calicatt79]

what causes them? Humidity? Spider lays eggs on your plants?

I keep a very tight seal in my garden so no buggies can get in. And I clean it out and wash at least once a week....

It's the little things man!