Fan Leafs. Blockers of Light Or Energy Producers???

[Sincerely420]

For all newbies reading the thread... And want to grow some pot... I'm a newbie too... And if i have learn one thing is.... Do not cut the leaves... Read guides by Uncle Ben and get some books... If you want to try stupid shit after... It's up to you but don't drawn yourself pointlessly from the get go...

I got a dozen books on deck...I bounce around them all over and over again...some of the different screen shot on my thread with more to come AS ALWAYS...
They all say the same things pretty much in different words...
I've looked over UBs thread and will without a doubt cut just above me second node on my next run...
Just some new ishh I wanna try..If and when it produces, props for him enlightening me with a new technique.

I'm a newbie like you haha and I've yet to learn not to cut the leaves!

But guess what....we're just two gardeners out of how many haha

 

[Sincerely420]

I certainly could be mistaken. Perhaps I mis-inferred his statements of "over 15 years". Fair enough. I agree that UB does have some good info, but I don't believe that should outweigh his clear intentional disrespect towards others who simply either disagree or want to experiment for themselves.

My point was that UB did not invent ganja topping. It was done by many folks for years and years. My dad grew in the 70's and I have pics of topped plants from way back then before they even had any ganja books. All UB did was take a basic horticulture principle, apply it to ganja (just as others had already done), and then claimed it's invention.

Lets just say he documented his findings and owned them.

 

[elkukupanda]

Are you saying there's only one reason that leaves go yellow? I'm don't wanna have to read in between the line?
I know they need light to do what they do....When they don't get light they die.
That's what I'm saying.

Look at my plants and tell me you see any signs of an N def...I am talking about my plants right now too, so that would make since for you to do.
When you spot the N def. get back to me about it.

Nitrogen had nothing to do with this...We're talking about photosynthesis here...
Leaves converting light energy to usable energy. It seems it would make sense to me that leaves would die when they don't get enough light.
Those leaves that aren't getting enough light....FOR WHATEVER reason aren't gonna produce for me...That's just how I feel...

And if you make the cuts clean enough..nothing should grow back. This based on what I've learned and observed

#church

No I didn't put yellowing upper/middle/whatever leaves in flowering with no proper nitrogen feeding... Forgot to make a complete and understandable sentence like always... Talking to yourself while typing doesn't get you too far let me tell you that... It was just an example of the importance of the element in plant growth and live... You mean that if you cut fan leaves... The other bud leaves won't get bigger? I don't know... What you think... I'm referring to growth in general...

 

[elkukupanda]

I got a dozen books on deck...I bounce around them all over and over again...some of the different screen shot on my thread with more to come AS ALWAYS...
They all say the same things pretty much in different words...
I've looked over UBs thread and will without a doubt cut just above me second node on my next run...
Just some new ishh I wanna try..If and when it produces, props for him enlightening me with a new technique.

I'm a newbie like you haha and I've yet to learn not to cut the leaves!

But guess what....we're just two gardeners out of how many haha

You bet man,... Hahaha...

 

[PJ Diaz]

For all newbies reading the thread... And want to grow some pot... I'm a newbie too... And if i have learn one thing is.... Do not cut the leaves... Read guides by Uncle Ben and get some books... If you want to try stupid shit after... It's up to you but don't drawn yourself pointlessly from the get go...

I got a dozen books on deck...I bounce around them all over and over again...some of the different screen shot on my thread with more to come AS ALWAYS...
They all say the same things pretty much in different words...
I've looked over UBs thread and will without a doubt cut just above me second node on my next run...

IMO it's better to cut above the third true node and then remove the growth from the first true node, if you want 4 cola plants. Makes for stronger branching.

 

[PJ Diaz]

I certainly could be mistaken. Perhaps I mis-inferred his statements of "over 15 years". Fair enough. I agree that UB does have some good info, but I don't believe that should outweigh his clear intentional disrespect towards others who simply either disagree or want to experiment for themselves.

My point was that UB did not invent ganja topping. It was done by many folks for years and years. My dad grew in the 70's and I have pics of topped plants from way back then before they even had any ganja books. All UB did was take a basic horticulture principle, apply it to ganja (just as others had already done), and then claimed it's invention.

Lets just say he documented his findings and owned them.

It's true. You know who else did that? Jorge Cervantes, aka George Van Patton.

 

[Sincerely420]

No I didn't put yellowing upper/middle/whatever leaves in flowering with no proper nitrogen feeding... Forgot to make a complete and understandable sentence like always... Talking to yourself while typing doesn't get you too far let me tell you that... It was just an example of the importance of the element in plant growth and live... You mean that if you cut fan leaves... The other bud leaves won't get bigger? I don't know... What you think... I'm referring to growth in general...

I'm saying if you cut close enough to the stem when you defoliate, new growth shouldn't occur.
I've read that and witnessed it with my plants.
When you don't make the cut close and clean enough, a day or two later you'll notice a little stub trying to grow back...

I'm not spreak about to top leaves at all...I'm talking about the smaller, lower-inner growth of the plant.

And I mean that I only cut the fan leaves that were hanging around the bottom of my plant.
If you cut the smaller inner flower sites off clean, they won't come back.
If they're not gonna be producers in the end game.......What makes them useful?

 

[PJ Diaz]

I'm no scientist but i have come to the thought that leaves go yellow because the plant either doesn't store at all or very little of nitrogen... And nitrogen is one of the three basic elements in plant growth... So it must be present in order for anything to happen including flower reproduction... If the leaves are removed... Then the plant will be utilizing this element at a certain time to produce leaves.. It just doesn't add up in my head... Maybe I'm just slow or something...

Are you saying there's only one reason that leaves go yellow? I'm don't wanna have to read in between the line?
I know they need light to do what they do....When they don't get light they die.
That's what I'm saying.

Look at my plants and tell me you see any signs of an N def...I am talking about my plants right now too, so that would make since for you to do.
When you spot the N def. get back to me about it.

Nitrogen had nothing to do with this...We're talking about photosynthesis here...
Leaves converting light energy to usable energy. It seems it would make sense to me that leaves would die when they don't get enough light.
Those leaves that aren't getting enough light....FOR WHATEVER reason aren't gonna produce for me...That's just how I feel...

And if you make the cuts clean enough..nothing should grow back. This based on what I've learned and observed

#church

I've had fan leaves covering each other. Sometimes I find yellowed spots the same shape as the fan leaf which was covering the leaf under it when I move the top leaf. The top leaf is very very green, so lack of N is not the issue.

 

[Sincerely420]

IMO it's better to cut above the third true node and then remove the growth from the first true node, if you want 4 cola plants. Makes for stronger branching.

Nice! I'll get back to it...I didn't throughly read his thread...I looked over it...But after this harvest I'm gonna re-group and go from there.
I'm about 2 months out...I wanted to try for the 4 to 8 dominant colas as well as get my mainlining game right haha

 

[elkukupanda]

This is my very first grow... No pruning done except for one with four "main" colas.... I have a total of maybe 25 upper shoots that range from 3 to 7 nodes within a 3 to 4 inch height.... 3 plants... 600w hps.... White widow Dutch passion... Super cropping... What else.. 22 days flowering... Most are 5 nodes... Some colas are 10 inches but only like 4 or 5... This is what ub created.. No jokes.. I'm a satisfied newbie.

 

[Sincerely420]

I've had fan leaves covering each other. Sometimes I find yellowed spots the same shape as the fan leaf which was covering the leaf under it when I move the top leaf. The top leaf is very very green, so lack of N is not the issue.

That's EXACTLY what I mean lol...That kinda thing happening with the smaller leaves up under the bush

 

[Sincerely420]

This is my very first grow... No pruning done except for one with four "main" colas.... I have a total of maybe 25 upper shoots that range from 3 to 7 nodes within a 3 to 4 inch height.... 3 plants... 600w hps.... White widow Dutch passion... Super cropping... What else.. 22 days flowering... Most are 5 nodes... Some colas are 10 inches but only like 4 or 5... This is what ub created.. No jokes.. I'm a satisfied newbie.

Looks good bro!
And I feel like you wouldn't be experiencing the same issues that I would given you're pushing 600w.
That bulb should have NO PROBLEM with light penetration of a squat plant.
I keep a couple 150w HPSs about 4-5 inches above my plants, and a gang of CFLs in between those.

I'm about 10 days behind you if you're 22days into flowering

 

[PJ Diaz]

This is my very first grow... No pruning done except for one with four "main" colas.... I have a total of maybe 25 upper shoots that range from 3 to 7 nodes within a 3 to 4 inch height.... 3 plants... 600w hps.... White widow Dutch passion... Super cropping... What else.. 22 days flowering... Most are 5 nodes... Some colas are 10 inches but only like 4 or 5... This is what ub created.. No jokes.. I'm a satisfied newbie.

Awesome. It's great to have a good first grow. UB does provide some good info, I'll definitely give him that. Unfortunately he also has a tendency to overstep from time to time.

 

[Sincerely420]

HE GOT ONE LEFT BITCH!!!!! Like John McCain hahaha J/k

 

[PJ Diaz]

This is my very first grow... No pruning done except for one with four "main" colas.... I have a total of maybe 25 upper shoots that range from 3 to 7 nodes within a 3 to 4 inch height.... 3 plants... 600w hps.... White widow Dutch passion... Super cropping... What else.. 22 days flowering... Most are 5 nodes... Some colas are 10 inches but only like 4 or 5... This is what ub created.. No jokes.. I'm a satisfied newbie.

Looks good bro!
And I feel like you wouldn't be experiencing the same issues that I would given you're pushing 600w.
That bulb should have NO PROBLEM with light penetration of a squat plant.
I keep a couple 150w HPSs about 4-5 inches above my plants, and a gang of CFLs in between those.

I'm about 10 days behind you if you're 22days into flowering

I dunno I still experience that issue with heavy fan leaves under 600w hps. That guy who says the light "passes through the leaf" is living in a dream world.

 

[elkukupanda]

Looks good bro!
And I feel like you wouldn't be experiencing the same issues that I would given you're pushing 600w.
That bulb should have NO PROBLEM with light penetration of a squat plant.
I keep a couple 150w HPSs about 4-5 inches above my plants, and a gang of CFLs in between those.

I'm about 10 days behind you if you're 22days into flowering

Hopefully everything ends good.... Let me know how things go for you... What you growing..

 

[Sincerely420]

Hopefully everything ends good.... Let me know how things go for you... What you growing..

Right there in the sig homie! I'd welcome ANY constructive criticism

 

[elkukupanda]

I tuck them a lot in between and under other bud sites.... Bottom buds get light but I super cropped my plants fully at least 6 times so whatever didn't came up to the top... I know that is asking the genetics too much with the amount of light I'm giving them..

 

[elkukupanda]

Awesome. It's great to have a good first grow. UB does provide some good info, I'll definitely give him that. Unfortunately he also has a tendency to overstep from time to time.

I have seen very talented people just like ub through out my life... So I just ignore the negative and learn as much as possible

 

[PJ Diaz]

Awesome. It's great to have a good first grow. UB does provide some good info, I'll definitely give him that. Unfortunately he also has a tendency to overstep from time to time.

I have seen very talented people just like ub through out my life... So I just ignore the negative and learn as much as possible

You right, but sometimes it's hard to take the high road when someone calls you shit fir brains simply because you disagree. Besides he hasn't really taught me anything I didn't already know.