donmagicjuan
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You got to be pretty stupid if u don't understand leaves are good and it's ur lack of lighting and training that leaves ur leaves in the shadow
Fan Leafs. Blockers of Light Or Energy Producers???
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elkukupanda
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Don't waste your time, if cutting the leaves make them happy... Let it be... At the end of the day is their plants..
Dr. Greenhorn
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PJ Diaz
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I certainly could be mistaken. Perhaps I mis-inferred his statements of "over 15 years". Fair enough. I agree that UB does have some good info, but I don't believe that should outweigh his clear intentional disrespect towards others who simply either disagree or want to experiment for themselves.
My point was that UB did not invent ganja topping. It was done by many folks for years and years. My dad grew in the 70's and I have pics of topped plants from way back then before they even had any ganja books. All UB did was take a basic horticulture principle, apply it to ganja (just as others had already done), and then claimed it's invention.
elkukupanda
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For all newbies reading the thread... And want to grow some pot... I'm a newbie too... And if i have learn one thing is.... Do not cut the leaves... Read guides by Uncle Ben and get some books... If you want to try stupid shit after... It's up to you but don't drawn yourself pointlessly from the get go...
Dr. Greenhorn
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the choice is yours gang, knowledge is power... either go get it or get left behind. don't take mine or UB's word for it, go out and get hands on knowledge. the best kine
PJ Diaz
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I defoliated for the first time ever this past run. My yield didn't suffer. I had better air circulation. I think overall yield was actually better, but won't know for sure until next week..
donmagicjuan
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Desert rats top and prune looks like garbage unhealthy as hell plus the first two plants have buds the last topped one has no bud they are at different ages its bullshit and those plants suck
Dr. Greenhorn
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then don't do it. the choice is yours. but how can you say it don't work if you haven't tried it?? right now desertrats opinion holds more weight than yours to me, he went out and did it. and I know it works, cause I went out and did it also. learn apply, and decide.... knowledge is power
Kite High
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I am totally on the bandwagon of put light down there and lose no leaves...but my climate room is designed for it as I love sativas and old plants imo for ME are the high
try anything you like...compare...what works for you in your garden keep doing ...what doesn't work stop doing
most of all..FUCK WHAT ANYBODY SAYS...listen to the plants they NEVER lie...people do
elkukupanda
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With all respect... Good for you man... But without creating a thread with all the details about the grow and comparing it to someone elses grow... I find that all the skepticals in here will say bay... Cuz defoliation have proven two things... That lower buds get more light but that also the plant re grows fan leafs : waste of energy
PJ Diaz
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That's all well and good bro. I really have nothing to prove and don't care how others grow. Fact is, I've tried it now and it hasn't caused any yield issues like others have said it does absolutely. I might also point out that most folks who dismiss it have never tried it. Seems odd to me.
elkukupanda
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I'm no scientist but i have come to the thought that leaves go yellow because the plant either doesn't store at all or very little of nitrogen... And nitrogen is one of the three basic elements in plant growth... So it must be present in order for anything to happen including flower reproduction... If the leaves are removed... Then the plant will be utilizing this element at a certain time to produce leaves.. It just doesn't add up in my head... Maybe I'm just slow or something...
elkukupanda
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People dismissing it is thinking in a different way. It's safe to say that if you jump off a high building onto a solid surface the acceleration or gravitational pull that the earth have upon your body mass will end up killing you... We have seen it happen already....but so there are many other ways of sure death that can be calculated with science... People who don't believe in defoliation without trying it is because there is no scientific data to up port it.. Matter fat I'm pretty sure it goes against basic botany concepts... But I do not... I'm no expert..
elkukupanda
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Or maybe I'm being fallacious again..... Happens to me all the time so please let me know... I love being enlighten by other... Saves me time and effort...
Dr. Greenhorn
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Sincerely420
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Are you saying there's only one reason that leaves go yellow? I'm don't wanna have to read in between the line?
I know they need light to do what they do....When they don't get light they die.
That's what I'm saying.
Look at my plants and tell me you see any signs of an N def...I am talking about my plants right now too, so that would make since for you to do.
When you spot the N def. get back to me about it.
Nitrogen had nothing to do with this...We're talking about photosynthesis here...
Leaves converting light energy to usable energy. It seems it would make sense to me that leaves would die when they don't get enough light.
Those leaves that aren't getting enough light....FOR WHATEVER reason aren't gonna produce for me...That's just how I feel...
And if you make the cuts clean enough..nothing should grow back. This based on what I've learned and observed
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elkukupanda
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Then he "survives"... I was just being silly
Dr. Greenhorn
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I was just giving you a solution
PJ Diaz
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There are studies which contradict your statements. Links to those studies have already been posted in this thread. Buds photosynthesize too; fact. Also please understand that there are different levels of leaf removal. I personally wouldn't support removing all leaves. IMO at some point you get diminishing returns with an over-abundance of fans. There's also optimal times to do the leaf removal. 2 weeks after the 12/12 flip plus 2 weeks before harvest seems to be best.
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