Induction Lights? The newest (supposedly) technology in Induction Grow Lights
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SnotBoogie
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SteveyG, reading through this thread as someone who has no interest whatsoever in ANY induction lights, I can safely say:
My heads hurts with stupid. YOUR STUPID. Be gone.
My heads hurts with stupid. YOUR STUPID. Be gone.
SteveyG
Member
great name snotboogie, i cant believe that you read through the whole thing and have no interest whatsoever in any induction lights.
I agree it is stupid, that has been my issue, stupid thread that i joined in being stupid with, got in way over my head.
would love to be gone,
peace out
steveyG
I agree it is stupid, that has been my issue, stupid thread that i joined in being stupid with, got in way over my head.
would love to be gone,
peace out
steveyG
Scotch089
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Jeeeeesus.....
I remember reading RIU years ago and ppl throwing bits of info just to help out, hell even meeting up and kicking it some times... wtf man.
Im there with snot, didnt even have any interest in Induction, but want to understand the "latest and greatest," read through this whole thread...
Can say the only things I have absorbed from this mass of... ego's, thats the only way to put it, is that there are some real, true ppl on here doing what they love and have a passion for that obviously have strong beliefs; These ppl have impressed me, not to say you should be proud that you impressed me, by any means, but you will all be hearing from me as I have developed a certain level of respect for a few of you. Thank you for showing such morale and quality character.
Not a single fact that isn't in the gray here... kinda sucks man..
Im goin back with the led guys...
I remember reading RIU years ago and ppl throwing bits of info just to help out, hell even meeting up and kicking it some times... wtf man.
Im there with snot, didnt even have any interest in Induction, but want to understand the "latest and greatest," read through this whole thread...
Can say the only things I have absorbed from this mass of... ego's, thats the only way to put it, is that there are some real, true ppl on here doing what they love and have a passion for that obviously have strong beliefs; These ppl have impressed me, not to say you should be proud that you impressed me, by any means, but you will all be hearing from me as I have developed a certain level of respect for a few of you. Thank you for showing such morale and quality character.
Not a single fact that isn't in the gray here... kinda sucks man..
Im goin back with the led guys...
djwimbo
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So, if iGrow is supposed to be the best, why have they not done a comparison between their products and anybody else?
In every other field, competitors show why their product is better, whether it's cars, lighters, TV's, and food. Naturally I'm inclined to prefer the IndaGro's, but I believe in what I see. Take the IndaGro's to the same universities and the same test facilities and PROVE who's better. Competition is the name of the game. I don't care if it's a China-made knock off, a rebranded China-made lamp/fixture, or anything else. As a consumer, buying 1x iGrow 400W & 1x IndaGro 420 would be >$2k of an investment. If the companies really stood behind their product, I want to see them go head to head. Grow whatever the hell you want, vegetables or cannabis, make it fair and make it clear.
put up or shut up. We're here to share, learn and help each other, not get in a pissing match where everybody just gets pissy.
BTW, why did I have to go through 5+ pages on Google to find anything on iGrow other than marketing hype direct from the company or their paid sponsors/beneficiaries? IndaGro reviews from USERS were on page 1 & 2.
... another thing I figured worth mentioning, due to our current laws, you cannot make induction bulbs in the US. So, companies like IndaGro openly tell you that they are assembled in the US, and the bulbs are made overseas. Whereas FSS/iGrow doesn't mention it at all, just that the fixture is built in Ohio, and the assembly is put together in Michigan. I live in MI, if iGrow really is the best, it makes the most sense for me to source it locally. But if their warranty claims aren't fulfilled, I have no interest in supporting them.
All this bickering makes me want to go buy a Llumatek and be done.
In every other field, competitors show why their product is better, whether it's cars, lighters, TV's, and food. Naturally I'm inclined to prefer the IndaGro's, but I believe in what I see. Take the IndaGro's to the same universities and the same test facilities and PROVE who's better. Competition is the name of the game. I don't care if it's a China-made knock off, a rebranded China-made lamp/fixture, or anything else. As a consumer, buying 1x iGrow 400W & 1x IndaGro 420 would be >$2k of an investment. If the companies really stood behind their product, I want to see them go head to head. Grow whatever the hell you want, vegetables or cannabis, make it fair and make it clear.
put up or shut up. We're here to share, learn and help each other, not get in a pissing match where everybody just gets pissy.
BTW, why did I have to go through 5+ pages on Google to find anything on iGrow other than marketing hype direct from the company or their paid sponsors/beneficiaries? IndaGro reviews from USERS were on page 1 & 2.
... another thing I figured worth mentioning, due to our current laws, you cannot make induction bulbs in the US. So, companies like IndaGro openly tell you that they are assembled in the US, and the bulbs are made overseas. Whereas FSS/iGrow doesn't mention it at all, just that the fixture is built in Ohio, and the assembly is put together in Michigan. I live in MI, if iGrow really is the best, it makes the most sense for me to source it locally. But if their warranty claims aren't fulfilled, I have no interest in supporting them.
All this bickering makes me want to go buy a Llumatek and be done.
chazbolin
Well-Known Member
Hiya DJWIMBO! With a reminder as to how this thread was started
Inda-Gro does in house garden grows. You can see the live stream @ http://www.inda-gro.com/cam.html or the high res galleries of those gardens @ https://picasaweb.google.com/117165142682869295633/LiveStreamGarden#slideshow/5828940839173888818 where you can see an exact side by side in a 3 x 6 ebb and flow garden with their own 420 against their 420 with the accessory pontoons. The notes below the images show side by by days from start, days from flower, fruit production/size, brix readings and notes. As you can see for yourself by a review of the conditions and the historical images this is a fair side by side of their own products whereby everything in the garden is subject to identical conditions with the only variable being the lighting.
A true side by side with the igrow vs inda-gro would require that igrow provide the tester with both a veg and a flower lamp. Inda-Gro would still happily agree to this type of comparison. As you can see by the aforementioned high res galleries the flowering aspects of the single lamp IG 420 are well documented there as well as by myself, spliff and others who freely contribute to these forums with images of their gardens. I can tell you some things that will happen from this test. When switching lamps at flower the plants may take up to a week or more to start showing pistils. After being exposed to the shortened photoperiod those same plants under the Inda-Gro will be showing pistils the next day. I've seen this happen so many times I can't recall it ever taking even a second day for pistil formation. Changing lamps and photoperiod simultaneously creates plant stress whereby the plant might hermaphrodite and is less able to fight off disease and infestation. When changing lamp spectrum's and photoperiod simultaneously the plant must recalibrate photomorphogenesis for the new and available spectrum's which the gardener has thrust upon it in the interest of 'flowering'.
Changing lamps is expensive, cumbersome, subject to breakage over your garden, and won't produce results that warrant this 'traditional' approach that has enrichened the lamp manufacturers and retail outlets for the better part of forty years. A broad spectrum spectrum approach works and I suggest from my own past experiences with comparing phopshor based single broad spectrum to 'narrow spectrum, veg/flower lamp combinations the grows under broad spectrum will typically come in a week early and dry weights when compared to both approaches have favored a single lamp approach. But I won't make a sweeping statement re weights because any variation in mfg blends of phosphors in veg/flower combinations will result in different returns. I would be willing to go on record that the results favored broad spectrum single lamp over dual lamp approaches in that the weight differences more often than not favored single lamp broad spectrum, in some cases by more than 10% but the quality in the comparison between the two always seemed to favor the single lamp broad spectrum garden.
Here's why I believe that to be the case:
As in nature; when the plants are exposed to broad spectrum UV, B regions the trichome, oil and resin production goes up in defense of these spectrum's. Compared to the spectrum's emitted by a 600 watt HPS lamp being used at flower the trichome geometry between the following two images makes a stark contrast as to how trichomes will be formed (Ace of Spades side side with an IG 420) when not exposed to what would generally be referred to as vegetative spectrum's when subject to a broad spectrum UV/B-R/FR at flower. The HPS trimchomes are globular and offer a lazy defense to UV bombardment while the trichomes formed under the broad spectrum lamp look like cut glass. This is a photochemical response to wavelengths the plant is seeing under the broad spectrum that it is not seeing under a 'flowering' spectrum lamp. If the igrow flowering spectrum lamp they offer is meant to emulate the traditional approach to flowering with an HPS spectra emission this is the type of trichome production one could expect as opposed to the broad spectrum approach that IG brings to the market.
Inda-Gro would have no problem with running a side by side with their single lamp 420 with the suggested combination of the igrow veg and flower lamps. But what I would find of even greater interest, and since there is a built in variance to this side by side anyway with igrow using two lamps to inda-gro using one lamp from veg-flower, is how the igrow lamp combination performs against the 420/pontoon combination that offers a 660nm chlorophyll B peak with 1/2 peaks at 650 and 670 as well as the 730nm Pfr switch that extends flowering by 1.5 hours per night. This is an infrared image of the 730nm diodes being run for 5 minutes at lights out off of lithium-ion batteries built into the Made in the USA pontoon housngs. All their products are UL approved for use in Canada and the USA. You can see their product listings on the UL database @ http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/cgifind.new/LISEXT/1FRAME/index.html type in Inda-Gro on the search query and hit enter.
I was unable to find igrow or their products listed by model number under the same search query but it's possible they're filed with a listing agency other than UL. However for use in Canadian gardens the manufacturer must have a CUL listing or it may not be sold, or even offered for sale, in Canada.
Different company's with different approaches and innovations on how to bring the best value to the gardener. A side by side would be warmly welcomed.
I still tip my hat to guys lilke SteveyG who is an early adopter of the igrow products and can man up and apologize (sort of) when he's wrong. From my end it's not bickering. I try to respectfully lay out any facts that I have at hand or request backup to claims, such as patents, or NDA's which others have made. It's ulitmately up to you what you take from these exchanges but if anything I've said inclines you to maintain your ongoing relationship with HID systems that was not my intention. As to side by side comparisons for these two products I think that is a wonderful idea!
Inda-Gro does in house garden grows. You can see the live stream @ http://www.inda-gro.com/cam.html or the high res galleries of those gardens @ https://picasaweb.google.com/117165142682869295633/LiveStreamGarden#slideshow/5828940839173888818 where you can see an exact side by side in a 3 x 6 ebb and flow garden with their own 420 against their 420 with the accessory pontoons. The notes below the images show side by by days from start, days from flower, fruit production/size, brix readings and notes. As you can see for yourself by a review of the conditions and the historical images this is a fair side by side of their own products whereby everything in the garden is subject to identical conditions with the only variable being the lighting.
A true side by side with the igrow vs inda-gro would require that igrow provide the tester with both a veg and a flower lamp. Inda-Gro would still happily agree to this type of comparison. As you can see by the aforementioned high res galleries the flowering aspects of the single lamp IG 420 are well documented there as well as by myself, spliff and others who freely contribute to these forums with images of their gardens. I can tell you some things that will happen from this test. When switching lamps at flower the plants may take up to a week or more to start showing pistils. After being exposed to the shortened photoperiod those same plants under the Inda-Gro will be showing pistils the next day. I've seen this happen so many times I can't recall it ever taking even a second day for pistil formation. Changing lamps and photoperiod simultaneously creates plant stress whereby the plant might hermaphrodite and is less able to fight off disease and infestation. When changing lamp spectrum's and photoperiod simultaneously the plant must recalibrate photomorphogenesis for the new and available spectrum's which the gardener has thrust upon it in the interest of 'flowering'.
Changing lamps is expensive, cumbersome, subject to breakage over your garden, and won't produce results that warrant this 'traditional' approach that has enrichened the lamp manufacturers and retail outlets for the better part of forty years. A broad spectrum spectrum approach works and I suggest from my own past experiences with comparing phopshor based single broad spectrum to 'narrow spectrum, veg/flower lamp combinations the grows under broad spectrum will typically come in a week early and dry weights when compared to both approaches have favored a single lamp approach. But I won't make a sweeping statement re weights because any variation in mfg blends of phosphors in veg/flower combinations will result in different returns. I would be willing to go on record that the results favored broad spectrum single lamp over dual lamp approaches in that the weight differences more often than not favored single lamp broad spectrum, in some cases by more than 10% but the quality in the comparison between the two always seemed to favor the single lamp broad spectrum garden.
Here's why I believe that to be the case:
As in nature; when the plants are exposed to broad spectrum UV, B regions the trichome, oil and resin production goes up in defense of these spectrum's. Compared to the spectrum's emitted by a 600 watt HPS lamp being used at flower the trichome geometry between the following two images makes a stark contrast as to how trichomes will be formed (Ace of Spades side side with an IG 420) when not exposed to what would generally be referred to as vegetative spectrum's when subject to a broad spectrum UV/B-R/FR at flower. The HPS trimchomes are globular and offer a lazy defense to UV bombardment while the trichomes formed under the broad spectrum lamp look like cut glass. This is a photochemical response to wavelengths the plant is seeing under the broad spectrum that it is not seeing under a 'flowering' spectrum lamp. If the igrow flowering spectrum lamp they offer is meant to emulate the traditional approach to flowering with an HPS spectra emission this is the type of trichome production one could expect as opposed to the broad spectrum approach that IG brings to the market.
Inda-Gro would have no problem with running a side by side with their single lamp 420 with the suggested combination of the igrow veg and flower lamps. But what I would find of even greater interest, and since there is a built in variance to this side by side anyway with igrow using two lamps to inda-gro using one lamp from veg-flower, is how the igrow lamp combination performs against the 420/pontoon combination that offers a 660nm chlorophyll B peak with 1/2 peaks at 650 and 670 as well as the 730nm Pfr switch that extends flowering by 1.5 hours per night. This is an infrared image of the 730nm diodes being run for 5 minutes at lights out off of lithium-ion batteries built into the Made in the USA pontoon housngs. All their products are UL approved for use in Canada and the USA. You can see their product listings on the UL database @ http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/cgifind.new/LISEXT/1FRAME/index.html type in Inda-Gro on the search query and hit enter.
I was unable to find igrow or their products listed by model number under the same search query but it's possible they're filed with a listing agency other than UL. However for use in Canadian gardens the manufacturer must have a CUL listing or it may not be sold, or even offered for sale, in Canada.
Different company's with different approaches and innovations on how to bring the best value to the gardener. A side by side would be warmly welcomed.
ChesusRice
Well-Known Member
I really would like to know if this technology produces
gordobo
Active Member
It produces CR. The fact that they have been university tested and even have USDA backing as the only induction lamp in the world that has met their rigerous standards for indoor gardens is the seal of approval. Don't be fooled by the slick sales presentations and claims of those Chinese knockoffs. iGROW won't stoop that low.
hyroot
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Genius. You know igrow guys used to work for inda gro guys prior to starting igrow. All induction bulbs are chineses. Its actually illegal to build induction bulbs in the U.S.. Have fun with your propaganda bull shit.
P.s. igrow was not university tested. Monster Garden hydro tested it by using par meter. They did not grow tested. All the universities that do light tests are using led amd t5. Get your facts straight.
Check, oxford univerity, university of missourri, university of alabama, texas a&m, washington state, penn state. Virginia tech, all have done several experiments on lights. Never with induction.
P.s. igrow was not university tested. Monster Garden hydro tested it by using par meter. They did not grow tested. All the universities that do light tests are using led amd t5. Get your facts straight.
Check, oxford univerity, university of missourri, university of alabama, texas a&m, washington state, penn state. Virginia tech, all have done several experiments on lights. Never with induction.
gordobo
Active Member
You don't have to get personal bro! It's you who has their facts wrong. But I'm not going to call you names for it. The iGROW guys never worked for indagrow. My understanding is that indagrow tried to match the proprietary powders that iGROW uses and were unable to. That's how they ended up with being only able to make a single lamp. I believe their is some kind of lawsuit coming and indagrow will have to cease making EFDL lamps for grow.
If you just took the time to watch this one video before you so breezily toss EFDL out of the equation you'd see that your description of NEVER does not apply when it comes to what iGROW has gone to the expense to develop here in the USA.
If you just took the time to watch this one video before you so breezily toss EFDL out of the equation you'd see that your description of NEVER does not apply when it comes to what iGROW has gone to the expense to develop here in the USA.
[video=youtube;nLrejfi9N64]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nLrejfi9N64[/video]
THE KONASSURE
Well-Known Member
save yourself a ton of money and just buy a 3000k induction light from china and add some red leds no need to go spending $1000 on one but hell
If you want me to order if for you and slap a little paper sign on it saying "super grow light" and feed your head with useless information about my lights and how happy it makes some tomato plants then hell I`ll do that no need to pay any of them to brand up some lamps from china for you.
If you want me to order if for you and slap a little paper sign on it saying "super grow light" and feed your head with useless information about my lights and how happy it makes some tomato plants then hell I`ll do that no need to pay any of them to brand up some lamps from china for you.
gordobo
Active Member
When you need a cell phone do you go and buy the microprocessors and resistors and build one yourself? No. You go down to the store or go online and buy one from a known reliable resource. Than you get your garden growing with what will be predictable results. Instead you want people to ignore everything iGROW has done for testing and research and just buy Chinese products because you bought one?
I see from your other posts that you just throw everything you can at your garden, with LED, induction, T5, and God knows what else. No one has the time to devote to these Rube Goldberg setups you promote and why would we anyway? The results are not going to be repeatable even if you have a 'bumper crop' which by your own admission is not likely based on the wattage your throwing at your garden. Oh but at least the utility bill is split 4 ways. Bully for you. Mine isn't.
In addition to the watts your burning through with this setup of yours have you ever really figured out what all the lights you're running ended up costing you to begin with as well as how often you're replacing lamps in this custom setup of yours? I'm willing to bet that you could have got two iGROW setups with what you spent and will continue to spend on lamps and ballasts.
You have never grown with an iGROW and buy China direct, Kelvin rated not PAR rated lamps and you diss those who want to buy an American made product. That doesn't make you any kind of Konnasure in my book. Instead it makes you desperate to push your Chinese LED's/EFDLS's. Maybe next you'll be claiming we should be buying 20 3000 kelvin 40 watt CFL's and hanging them over our garden. That's 800 watts too for a fuk of a lot less than you dropped on that imported EFDL and those you can just go buy from Home Depot.
So kindly spare me your criticism as I will buy US made and warranty supported products whenever given the choice!
I see from your other posts that you just throw everything you can at your garden, with LED, induction, T5, and God knows what else. No one has the time to devote to these Rube Goldberg setups you promote and why would we anyway? The results are not going to be repeatable even if you have a 'bumper crop' which by your own admission is not likely based on the wattage your throwing at your garden. Oh but at least the utility bill is split 4 ways. Bully for you. Mine isn't.
In addition to the watts your burning through with this setup of yours have you ever really figured out what all the lights you're running ended up costing you to begin with as well as how often you're replacing lamps in this custom setup of yours? I'm willing to bet that you could have got two iGROW setups with what you spent and will continue to spend on lamps and ballasts.
You have never grown with an iGROW and buy China direct, Kelvin rated not PAR rated lamps and you diss those who want to buy an American made product. That doesn't make you any kind of Konnasure in my book. Instead it makes you desperate to push your Chinese LED's/EFDLS's. Maybe next you'll be claiming we should be buying 20 3000 kelvin 40 watt CFL's and hanging them over our garden. That's 800 watts too for a fuk of a lot less than you dropped on that imported EFDL and those you can just go buy from Home Depot.
So kindly spare me your criticism as I will buy US made and warranty supported products whenever given the choice!
hyroot
Well-Known Member
I grow is kelvin rated. Contradiction. Give up. You come in talking shit right off the bat.YOu could say hey guys check out my grow. Look what I got with these lights. Or make a journal for us to follow. No you didnt do that. Just a bunch of conjecture. Blah blah blah. Very bad salesman ship. If you worked for me and promoted my product like that. You would be so fired. You even talked shit on indagro om psuagro's thread.
If your igrows do that good for you then thats awesome. But you don't have to be an asshole about it.
Post some pics already. Prove us wrong.
P.s. Usda approved. Just means they can grow fruits and veggies. No bearing on mmj. With mmj , different strains respond differently to.different spectrums.
It is very illegal to build induction lamps in the U.S. All come from china and japan. Where do.you think all the red phosphors and argons come from. Hmm china!!!
Give it a rest already stevey or gordo or whatever
If your igrows do that good for you then thats awesome. But you don't have to be an asshole about it.
Post some pics already. Prove us wrong.
P.s. Usda approved. Just means they can grow fruits and veggies. No bearing on mmj. With mmj , different strains respond differently to.different spectrums.
It is very illegal to build induction lamps in the U.S. All come from china and japan. Where do.you think all the red phosphors and argons come from. Hmm china!!!
Give it a rest already stevey or gordo or whatever
chuck estevez
Well-Known Member
anybody seen these before? http://www.smartgrowlamps.com/open-reflectors/elite-reflector-400-watt/
PetFlora
Well-Known Member
Assuming it is an actual PAR graph from that light, not a good blend for mmj IMHO
chazbolin
Well-Known Member
FYI you buy the lamp/ballast and have to assemble them in a housing. Then the inside of the glass is painted 1/2 red 1/2 blue for the 'serious grower'. A little problem with the hood design too. The glass has to reach 200F or the Hg does not fully vaporize. Happens on IG too when you blow too much fan forced canopy air across the tube and it doesn't reach temp. Problem was fixed when IG started putting rubber boots over the amalgam spur which let's the amalgam housing get up to temp.
THE KONASSURE
Well-Known Member
They`ll make anything in china any company in the usa that is selling you an induction light at best has only put it together and tested it
That`s it all they have done, yes maybe they ordered a whole bunch of them and tested them oh wow amazing great but how did they know where the hell to start in the 1st place ?
Because either some student or scientist did some kind of "ground breaking research" like the early battery`s seamed worthless and electricity was just a thing to show off a lectures it was no where near practical
So when we want to build anything do we start from scratch or do we learn and try to get the best results we can for the best cost ?
What did I spend ? well 2 van q 300w led units around $300 each and my 200w induction was free the lamp a 3000k was $100 so $700 usd all in done that``s more light then I need in this grow but if I ever need a par boost on something I can I have other lights that are out being borrowed at the moment by a friend in his 50`s who`s been growing many years he added them to his hps set up when he started flowering and he`s never had a nicer crop
Hmm the cost of them lights ? £300 they grew me more then enough weed to pay for themself`s and they get borrowed and people bring back weed with a street value of more then the lights as a thank you to me for lending them
Who`s stupid now ? Half my mates that grow have my old lights do you know what that means ? one call and I get clones everyone gives me some of their weed everyone asks if I need anything
I share and I have no care of how much things cost if I can afford them money means nothing it`s just a thing a thing they use to control us
All I know is if I need to get more plants on the go I have another 200w induction this one is a 5000k I`d put the whole 1000w set up against a 2000w hps set up
add a few £10 105w cfls and you have all my lights the led and induction lights should last 3 years min the induction has a year warranty I think and the leds 3 years
It`s not hard you could use 1 of the leds and 1 100w lamp in anthing from a 1m x 1m up to a 1.5m x 1.5m after that I`d step up to 1 more led and a 200w induction but see I was thinking I don`t want my weed to get shitty in a year or so when the output drops but anything up to 30% like all lights do so I got extra lights I don`t need to use them and I can lend them out and get weed back
So was my set up a waste ? Nope and most of the research I used was given away freely by someone on a forum a while back who built his own led lights out of baking trays and parts
I saw that nice bud could be grown with just 40w or so of red led if you wanted to but add some blue and it gets better add a little cfl and bam you get really nice weed
I just scaled up his idea and got people in china to make the lights did a bit of the work myself
Now did the guy I get the info from come to the conclusion himself ? or did he rip of some of NASA`S research ? Hmm I think all growers have but then again who told NASA ? some hippy scientists jumped the boat but wait NASA is not the CIA the only reason they want to go into space is to be free, lol
That`s it all they have done, yes maybe they ordered a whole bunch of them and tested them oh wow amazing great but how did they know where the hell to start in the 1st place ?
Because either some student or scientist did some kind of "ground breaking research" like the early battery`s seamed worthless and electricity was just a thing to show off a lectures it was no where near practical
So when we want to build anything do we start from scratch or do we learn and try to get the best results we can for the best cost ?
What did I spend ? well 2 van q 300w led units around $300 each and my 200w induction was free the lamp a 3000k was $100 so $700 usd all in done that``s more light then I need in this grow but if I ever need a par boost on something I can I have other lights that are out being borrowed at the moment by a friend in his 50`s who`s been growing many years he added them to his hps set up when he started flowering and he`s never had a nicer crop
Hmm the cost of them lights ? £300 they grew me more then enough weed to pay for themself`s and they get borrowed and people bring back weed with a street value of more then the lights as a thank you to me for lending them
Who`s stupid now ? Half my mates that grow have my old lights do you know what that means ? one call and I get clones everyone gives me some of their weed everyone asks if I need anything
I share and I have no care of how much things cost if I can afford them money means nothing it`s just a thing a thing they use to control us
All I know is if I need to get more plants on the go I have another 200w induction this one is a 5000k I`d put the whole 1000w set up against a 2000w hps set up
add a few £10 105w cfls and you have all my lights the led and induction lights should last 3 years min the induction has a year warranty I think and the leds 3 years
It`s not hard you could use 1 of the leds and 1 100w lamp in anthing from a 1m x 1m up to a 1.5m x 1.5m after that I`d step up to 1 more led and a 200w induction but see I was thinking I don`t want my weed to get shitty in a year or so when the output drops but anything up to 30% like all lights do so I got extra lights I don`t need to use them and I can lend them out and get weed back
So was my set up a waste ? Nope and most of the research I used was given away freely by someone on a forum a while back who built his own led lights out of baking trays and parts
I saw that nice bud could be grown with just 40w or so of red led if you wanted to but add some blue and it gets better add a little cfl and bam you get really nice weed
I just scaled up his idea and got people in china to make the lights did a bit of the work myself
Now did the guy I get the info from come to the conclusion himself ? or did he rip of some of NASA`S research ? Hmm I think all growers have but then again who told NASA ? some hippy scientists jumped the boat but wait NASA is not the CIA the only reason they want to go into space is to be free, lol
gordobo
Active Member
NASA...CIA...baking trays filled with parts by hippy scientists...I see
While you seek to diminish the importance of real innovative research such as iGROWS work in this field you make statements regarding your esteemed setup like this one: 'You can feel it's a ton of light energy hope the plants have enough green stuff to handle that lol'. Seriously what is a 'ton of light?'
Besides all the rock hard science you reference it appears from your statement of what it cost to put this NASAesque lighting system of yours together that we average folk, should not have to pay anything at all for the induction lamps we use since you somehow got yours for free. A scientist and economist all rolled into one. I ask you; where else can you get such sage advice?
Now where did I put those baking trays?
While you seek to diminish the importance of real innovative research such as iGROWS work in this field you make statements regarding your esteemed setup like this one: 'You can feel it's a ton of light energy hope the plants have enough green stuff to handle that lol'. Seriously what is a 'ton of light?'
Besides all the rock hard science you reference it appears from your statement of what it cost to put this NASAesque lighting system of yours together that we average folk, should not have to pay anything at all for the induction lamps we use since you somehow got yours for free. A scientist and economist all rolled into one. I ask you; where else can you get such sage advice?
Now where did I put those baking trays?
Splifferous
New Member
i feel that Nikola's technology was and has been suppressed in favor of obsolete technologies that allow the current monopolies to continue to reap immense and unjust profits. allow me to explain:
EFDL was "ground breaking" back in 1891 when Nikola Tesla invented it. btw, that was the same year that he patented the Tesla Coil, demonstrated wireless power transmission (by illuminating the laboratory lights in 2 of his New York laboratories wirelessly), as well as became a naturalized US citizen.
now, back then, Nikola was receiving financial support and funding from J.P.Morgan, among others. in the late 1890s, Nikola was building the Wardenclyffe Tower, to broadcast power worldwide without wires. JPMorgan was the chief financial backer, who also held a monopoly on the local copper supply. so the nutshell of it is that when Morgan discovered that what Nikola was using his money for would not lead to copper profits, nor would he be able to "place a meter" and charge the individual for the energy they used, he pulled his backing. rumors were started and the tower was destroyed...
i mention that to raise the topic of conspiring against technological progress in the name of profit.
i'll cut to the chase... read here: Phoebus Cartel, and while there go ahead and take a moment to follow the Planned Obsolescence link.
the cartel was made up of GE, Philips, and Osram. and whether or not they formally disbanded, i believe that the decades that it was formally in place set the tenor for the industry to this day. consider the evidence that those companies are not only still around, but that they are market leaders. to be clear, i'm not a hater of them for where they are, but rather because of the means they employed to get there.
and we all know that we are governed by the best government that money can buy. if you have the money to buy a lawmaker, you got it made!
so i think we are now standing pretty close to the self discovery of why EFDL tubes are unable to be made here in the USA. why ban the manufacture of a cleaner, longer lasting, superior technology? they claim it has something to do with the mercury content, but it's so much easier to get the mercury out of an EFDL lamp than any other lamp; you just snap the little glass nub off with some pliers... not to mention the amount of mercury present in a decades worth of HID bulbs that the cartel members would rather see us growers use instead.
China is the EFDL capitol because they saw the gap in the market, and considering their need for power and lighting (and rapid industrial growth), they had nothing but incentives to pick up EFDL and run with it. goes hand in hand with how China owns a substantial portion of our national debt...
EFDL was "ground breaking" back in 1891 when Nikola Tesla invented it. btw, that was the same year that he patented the Tesla Coil, demonstrated wireless power transmission (by illuminating the laboratory lights in 2 of his New York laboratories wirelessly), as well as became a naturalized US citizen.
now, back then, Nikola was receiving financial support and funding from J.P.Morgan, among others. in the late 1890s, Nikola was building the Wardenclyffe Tower, to broadcast power worldwide without wires. JPMorgan was the chief financial backer, who also held a monopoly on the local copper supply. so the nutshell of it is that when Morgan discovered that what Nikola was using his money for would not lead to copper profits, nor would he be able to "place a meter" and charge the individual for the energy they used, he pulled his backing. rumors were started and the tower was destroyed...
i mention that to raise the topic of conspiring against technological progress in the name of profit.
i'll cut to the chase... read here: Phoebus Cartel, and while there go ahead and take a moment to follow the Planned Obsolescence link.
the cartel was made up of GE, Philips, and Osram. and whether or not they formally disbanded, i believe that the decades that it was formally in place set the tenor for the industry to this day. consider the evidence that those companies are not only still around, but that they are market leaders. to be clear, i'm not a hater of them for where they are, but rather because of the means they employed to get there.
and we all know that we are governed by the best government that money can buy. if you have the money to buy a lawmaker, you got it made!
so i think we are now standing pretty close to the self discovery of why EFDL tubes are unable to be made here in the USA. why ban the manufacture of a cleaner, longer lasting, superior technology? they claim it has something to do with the mercury content, but it's so much easier to get the mercury out of an EFDL lamp than any other lamp; you just snap the little glass nub off with some pliers... not to mention the amount of mercury present in a decades worth of HID bulbs that the cartel members would rather see us growers use instead.
China is the EFDL capitol because they saw the gap in the market, and considering their need for power and lighting (and rapid industrial growth), they had nothing but incentives to pick up EFDL and run with it. goes hand in hand with how China owns a substantial portion of our national debt...
natro.hydro
Well-Known Member
Don't know where you heard that bit about the lawsuit but i will discredit it real quick. I had heard the same thing from my local shop when I asked about indagro (they are an igrow retailer) and he told me about the lawsuit. Since I was considering buying one of these lights in the near future i wanted to find out for myself so anyone who says I'm a sales rep, spliff is a rep (not hating all gotta make our paper) so he can confirm I am just trying to be an educated buyer. anyways when I emailed inda gro with this claim and their president darryl emailed me back pretty quick discreditting these claims. Think about it igrow uses two bulb solution inda gro 1 and they claim inda gro just sells their veg bulb.... Then how did spliff pull that fantastic comparison harvest???