Monsanto cannabis yes or no? The DNA Protection Act of 2013

Genetically Engineered Cannabis yes or no?

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VTMi'kmaq

VTMi'kmaq

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i dont care what report study or "findings" anyone posts here about pro gmo's or monsanto, fucking evil, let nature do its thing! CURE CANCER! instead of waste money on gmo bullshit.
 
DNAprotection

DNAprotection

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VTMi'kmaq said:
i dont care what report study or "findings" anyone posts here about pro gmo's or monsanto, fucking evil, let nature do its thing! CURE CANCER! instead of waste money on gmo bullshit.
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Yeah, and thanks for that.
I am in the underground of the county where I live and we have been helping each other 'cure' cancer outside of the system and quietly.
Gov knew back in the early 70's what we now know, that concentrated cannabis oil (not available in dispensaries) attacks and renders gone any growth.
I've never seen a time it didn't work to this point.
In San Francisco they are now finally beginning in the direction of 'curing' breast cancer with these concentrates and Dr. Courtney here in norcal has just helped to do this:
[h=1]Cannabis For Infant's Brain Tumor, Doctor Calls Child "A Miracle Baby"[/h]
Medical marijuana is gaining acceptance, but could it even help kids? Dr. William Courtney has seen it happen, and on Friday, told HuffPost Live host Alyona Minkovski about it. Saying he was "quite a skeptic 5 or 6 years ago", Dr. Courtney continued that "my youngest patient is 8 months old, and had a very massive centrally located inoperable brain tumor." The child's father pushed for non-traditional treatment utilizing cannabis.
"They were putting cannabinoid oil on the baby's pacifier twice a day, increasing the dose... And within two months there was a dramatic reduction, enough that the pediatric oncologist allowed them to go ahead with not pursuing traditional therapy."
The tumor was remarkably reduced after eight months of treatment. Dr. Courtney pointed out that the success of the cannabis approach means that "this child, because of that, is not going to have the long-term side effects that would come from a very high dose of chemotherapy or radiation... currently the child's being called a miracle baby, and I would have to agree that this is the perfect response that we should be insisting is frontline therapy for all children before they launch off on all medications that have horrific long term side effects."

Watch the full segment at HuffPost Live.
 
canndo

canndo

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Grandpapy said:
The real, "present tense" loss, is that the next generation wont be able to complain about the flavor, because they wont know any better.
When was the last time you bought fruit's or veg's at the supermarket and said "Wow, I really got my moneys worth!"
Look at Fl. laws, regarding tomatoes, I know it wasn't written with the consumer in mind, There is no standard of flavor, I've wasted time & money, only to have to lower my standards and tell my children how wonderful fruits and veg's once tasted. But it's for the greater good.:wall:



http://www.floridatomatoes.org/Regulations/Domestic-Markets.aspx Making Corporations profitable when they just cant do it on their own. http://www.odenberg.com/
It simply became cheaper to control the fruit then improve the process.
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Except that there is an ongoing argument about that. There is a counter argument that it isn't the taste of the fruit for vegies that has changed but your tastebuds that have been dulled. Or it could be that your memory of a time long ago brings the taste of that strawberry into bold relief. Of course this does not apply to tomatoes. The stuff at your grocery store may be just as tasty as those old time watermelons and corn - you just remember them as being better tasting than they really are and of course your tongue has suffered through volumes of pot smoke and bad beer so it won't register the pristine taste notes of that apple it once was able to.


Or at least - so says big Ag.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
DNAprotection said:
Yeah, and thanks for that.
I am in the underground of the county where I live and we have been helping each other 'cure' cancer outside of the system and quietly.
Gov knew back in the early 70's what we now know, that concentrated cannabis oil (not available in dispensaries) attacks and renders gone any growth.
I've never seen a time it didn't work to this point.
In San Francisco they are now finally beginning in the direction of 'curing' breast cancer with these concentrates and Dr. Courtney here in norcal has just helped to do this:
Cannabis For Infant's Brain Tumor, Doctor Calls Child "A Miracle Baby"


Medical marijuana is gaining acceptance, but could it even help kids? Dr. William Courtney has seen it happen, and on Friday, told HuffPost Live host Alyona Minkovski about it. Saying he was "quite a skeptic 5 or 6 years ago", Dr. Courtney continued that "my youngest patient is 8 months old, and had a very massive centrally located inoperable brain tumor." The child's father pushed for non-traditional treatment utilizing cannabis.
"They were putting cannabinoid oil on the baby's pacifier twice a day, increasing the dose... And within two months there was a dramatic reduction, enough that the pediatric oncologist allowed them to go ahead with not pursuing traditional therapy."
The tumor was remarkably reduced after eight months of treatment. Dr. Courtney pointed out that the success of the cannabis approach means that "this child, because of that, is not going to have the long-term side effects that would come from a very high dose of chemotherapy or radiation... currently the child's being called a miracle baby, and I would have to agree that this is the perfect response that we should be insisting is frontline therapy for all children before they launch off on all medications that have horrific long term side effects."

Watch the full segment at HuffPost Live.
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Bet mama had some major-league sore nipples. cn
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
canndo said:
Except that there is an ongoing argument about that. There is a counter argument that it isn't the taste of the fruit for vegies that has changed but your tastebuds that have been dulled. Or it could be that your memory of a time long ago brings the taste of that strawberry into bold relief. Of course this does not apply to tomatoes. The stuff at your grocery store may be just as tasty as those old time watermelons and corn - you just remember them as being better tasting than they really are and of course your tongue has suffered through volumes of pot smoke and bad beer so it won't register the pristine taste notes of that apple it once was able to.


Or at least - so says big Ag.
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Wouldn't the growers and keepers of heirloom varietals be maintaining a ready set of control samples? I think that premise can be tested. cn
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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DNAprotection said:
Actually they must of have been doing something right because they existed for at least 10's of thousands of years without any of the traits that have plagued Europeans for at least the last 2-3 thousand years.
Just an example, I live about a mile from "one of" (in "" edited controversial mistake lol)the largest natural and one of the oldest known lakes in the northern hemisphere of this continent and 'the first people' here (named "Pomo" by the invaders) lived here for at least (also amended for discussions sake)"12" thousand years (that we can verify and could be longer) before Europeans arrived and were not 'nomadic'. We are now fairly sure that the population they had living around this lake at that time must have fluctuated up to possibly 100,000 or more humans and up until Europeans arrived the lake was actually clear, that's why the invaders renamed it to be 'Clearlake'. Now the invaders have only been here for a couple hundred years and now have a max population of about 64 thousand and the lake has turned to water that you wouldn't want your kid's or your dog swimming in.
Your mentality can't even figure out how to live around a lake without polluting and destroying the ecosystems, and now you want to piss in the entire gene pool?

The point is, you are incorrect as usual dd.
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that is the biggest pile of crap i ever read. the pomos did not number in the 100,000 range EVER, they were several small tribes lumped together by societal structure and geography.

clear lake became less clear as a result of agricultural runoff, erosion of the land due to european style settlements, and increasd demand on the water source. living by clear lake, and bemoaning it's fate while simultaneously implying that its "all them other assholes what did it..." is just ridiculous.

every word out of your mouth is an exaggeration, a lie or a fallacy. your proposed initiative is DOA, i will vote against it, council against it, campaign against it and write letters to the newspaper opionon collumns should your silly little brainfart ever bubble to the surface on the ballot.

it is rejected, you are rejected, and i am done with your hyperbole and lies.

good day sir.
 
DNAprotection

DNAprotection

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Dr Kynes said:
that is the biggest pile of crap i ever read. the pomos did not number in the 100,000 range EVER, they were several small tribes lumped together by societal structure and geography.

clear lake became less clear as a result of agricultural runoff, erosion of the land due to european style settlements, and increasd demand on the water source. living by clear lake, and bemoaning it's fate while simultaneously implying that its "all them other assholes what did it..." is just ridiculous.
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I guess if you were there than you would know better than I.
I only go by what I've been told by 'Pomo' people...I know its hard for some folks to trust people rather than books.
For me there must be some balance between the two, but I always give the benefit of doubt to the voice of the 'destroyed' rather than the destroyer.

For cn, I have been tracking the old bones find and it was Dr. Parker who age dated a find at the Elem community at about 10-14 thousand years I guess but then he withdrew that estimation and held that they were far older (20 thousand or more years), still trying to get anything he wrote on it.
 
canndo

canndo

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cannabineer said:
Wouldn't the growers and keepers of heirloom varietals be maintaining a ready set of control samples? I think that premise can be tested. cn
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I exepted tomatoes. I think it is probably all false but I have problems with berries. Black berries and blue berries tend to taste bland to me now even though I recall vividly the taste when I was a boy. Now I don't think that these berries are altered and I don't think they are grown any differently now than they ever were but it may be that the sunlight, the can in my hand, the stain on my fingers and lips, the joy of reaching that one plump berry just beyond my grasp over a sea of inch long stickers had something to do with the difference in flavor with the ones I got at Whole foods in the two ounce plastic basket for $3.99.
 
canndo

canndo

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I recently saw a documentary "Knives over forks" with my wife. She is usually very reasonable and skeptical but she fell for all of the "information" in the movie. The premise is that animal protein is bad in all cases. I held out for an explaination of the mechanism. WHY is it bad, what does it do, how is it different. These explainations were not forthcoming in the movie and subsequent research was no better in my search for answers. This holds true for GMO items as well, WHAT is it about them that is dangerous. The problem is that I can see no real advantage in GMO foods except for businesses. As I have said before, these items were not designed with the end consumer in mind. It is pretty well proven that most GMO products give us little if any advantage. The common refrain is that they will help feed the world, that they produce enhanced yield but I have yet to see such things proven.


It is the unknown that concerns me with these items. We cannot project the effects on nature at large and we have a long history of being short sighted about such things.
 
ginjawarrior

ginjawarrior

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canndo said:
I exepted tomatoes. I think it is probably all false but I have problems with berries. Black berries and blue berries tend to taste bland to me now even though I recall vividly the taste when I was a boy. Now I don't think that these berries are altered and I don't think they are grown any differently now than they ever were but it may be that the sunlight, the can in my hand, the stain on my fingers and lips, the joy of reaching that one plump berry just beyond my grasp over a sea of inch long stickers had something to do with the difference in flavor with the ones I got at Whole foods in the two ounce plastic basket for $3.99.
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growing for volume over growing for taste (strength/cbd content(this is a growers site :lol:)) is always going to be in the mind of the producers quantity sells better than quality while i can get vine ripened tomatoes at my local supermarket i'll more often go for the cheaper salad varieties

breed has alot to do with all of this
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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canndo said:
I exepted tomatoes. I think it is probably all false but I have problems with berries. Black berries and blue berries tend to taste bland to me now even though I recall vividly the taste when I was a boy. Now I don't think that these berries are altered and I don't think they are grown any differently now than they ever were but it may be that the sunlight, the can in my hand, the stain on my fingers and lips, the joy of reaching that one plump berry just beyond my grasp over a sea of inch long stickers had something to do with the difference in flavor with the ones I got at Whole foods in the two ounce plastic basket for $3.99.
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it;s not genetic modification that makes strebought berries taste like shit, it's shitty growers growing shitty varieties for an early bloom, fast fruiting but SLOW ripening.

store bought berries are picked green, shipped refigerated, ripened by alene gas infusion, and taste like sour watery blandness as a result.

come by northern california in summer and autumn and you get that taste you remember from any roadside ditch. we got tons of blackberries everyhwere, and stores dont even bother stocking them between july and october since they are free.

thats why i Grow My Own strawberries, had i the space i would grow raspberries and blueberries too.
 
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