Monsanto cannabis yes or no? The DNA Protection Act of 2013

DNAprotection said:

Well apparently your reading level leaves something to be desired.(thats ok me2 lol)
Morals?
Who ever said anything about morals accept you?
The reason some don't understand the 'numbers' concept is usually ego...'morals' mean nothing in nature, numbers mean everything and if you can't even understand the failures of a conqueror compared to success of lets say bonobo's for example then for sure we should not be gene splicing yet if ever.
You and others want to bake a cake, yet in your rushing and even slaughtering your way to the stove you neglected to pick up some of the main ingredients and therefor your cake will flop no matter how fast you made it to the stove...at this point in our evolution (unless you are still a 'caveman' and I'm not saying your not) the competition you speak to is not a component of the equation.
Also anything seen through your eyes and then spued out your mouth or fingtips in the form of representing a knowing or a proper interpretation of the behavior of Indians before the European invasion is about as accurate as your cultures reading and understanding of the Mayan calender etc...you probably thought it was the 'end of the world' as well lol

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Let me try one more time...

Nature does not care about good or evil or the means to an end. Nature is simply the reaction of physics and science and represents the most stable state of the universe at this time.

You were the one talking about *good* seeds, etc. I dont know how that comes down to numbers and I dont know how in a universe without morals and based on physics that you decide we are not *ready* for anything.

Mix that into your interpretation that man does not absorb enough of the culture of his victims and thus somehow falls short and your numbers example is bizarre.

You are either failing in your logic, perception and/or your ability to convey these ideas into a forum for easy understanding and your defense is that people who are reading it have ego issues...

I have to admit it is rather entertaining.

NLXSK1 said:

Let me try one more time...

Nature does not care about good or evil or the means to an end. Nature is simply the reaction of physics and science and represents the most stable state of the universe at this time.

You were the one talking about *good* seeds, etc. I dont know how that comes down to numbers and I dont know how in a universe without morals and based on physics that you decide we are not *ready* for anything.

Mix that into your interpretation that man does not absorb enough of the culture of his victims and thus somehow falls short and your numbers example is bizarre.

You are either failing in your logic, perception and/or your ability to convey these ideas into a forum for easy understanding and your defense is that people who are reading it have ego issues...

I have to admit it is rather entertaining.

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Well at least your entertained, laughter helps make 'good' seed lol...
The word 'good' as I use it only means viable-
As for my ability to explain in terms that you can understand, well I can't argue with ya there.
I do for the most part agree with this that I've been saying one way and that you state like this:
"Nature is simply the reaction of physics and science and represents the most stable state of the universe at this time."
= by the numbers.

DNAprotection said:

Well at least your entertained, laughter helps make 'good' seed lol...
The word 'good' as I use it only means viable-
As for my ability to explain in terms that you can understand, well I can't argue with ya there.
I do for the most part agree with this that I've been saying one way and that you state like this:
"Nature is simply the reaction of physics and science and represents the most stable state of the universe at this time."
= by the numbers.

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How do the numbers tell you we are not ready and when will the numbers tell you when we are ready?

NLXSK1 said:

How do the numbers tell you we are not ready and when will the numbers tell you when we are ready?

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Actually its elementary, we wouldn't be having this type of discussion if 'we' were ready.

NLXSK1 said:

How do the numbers tell you we are not ready and when will the numbers tell you when we are ready?

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I can only estimate that we are not ready.
Human culture is still struggling from lack of depth in vision and thinking when interpreting itself and the nature it is born of and its an affliction rooted directly in that which you have accused me of.

Human culture still see's life/nature in terms of 'good or bad' as perfectly exampled in terms of the prohibition of any particular plant.
If we cannot even see beyond our own ego's far enough to know that plants aren't 'good or bad' (like still being in diapers) then how do you expect to have the evolutionary traits and or understanding of other species (let alone your own) to understand what you are doing when you go a gene splicing?

OGEvilgenius said:

Indeed, or you can parrot stuff that's been fabricated by the biotech companies you apparently invest in.



http://www.ucsusa.org/food_and_agriculture/our-failing-food-system/genetic-engineering/failure-to-yield.html

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impassioned reports from the union of concerned scientists are NOT FACTS. facts are found through observation in peer reviewed journals, not shabby impassioned pleas from a group primarily concerned with "social justice" which really means "social engineering".

the UCS and Oxfam have a stated agenda, that agenda results in their reports, while a rational agenda RESULTS from reports.

are you a farmer? do you work in agriculture? do you understand that GMO does not mean "higher yeilds"? are you aware that any of a number of functions can be desired in the genetic modification? are you aware that all GMO's are not "transgenic"?

BT corn has been only a moderate success, boll weevil resistant cotton has been madly successful in areas with huge boll weevil problems, but flops in regions not subject to that particular critter. "roundup ready" crops are largely a disappointment, and fail at their stated aim of allowing the use of that particular herbicide in crops. roundup is great as a defoliant, but defoliants suck balls on your crops even if you plant a crop thats not vulnerable to roundup, since the roundup ready varieties just dont deliver except as forage and pasturage where spurge is a problem.

this does not men genetic research is useless, any more than traditional cross breeding is useless based on the general lack of acceptance for triticale.

NLXSK1 said:

How do the numbers tell you we are not ready and when will the numbers tell you when we are ready?

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That which your language translates from native languages as the 'great spirit' is to me better translated to mean 'the great equation'.
From my view you could say that everything that exists represents a number in that great equation.
Further, every moment in 'time' and or every action of everything in every moment also represents numbers in that equation.
Human culture, by way of the 'conquering' and 'good v bad' (and current perception of what 'survival of the fittest' means) mentalities of linear thinking brought by Europeans, has devolved.
The notion of written laws was unnecessary to natives because the laws are everywhere you look and in fact you are made of the 'laws' etc, whereas in current human culture written law is all you understand = complete mental disconnect from who and what you really are.
When humans understand what they see when looking in the mirror, they might then understand what they are seeing when they look everywhere else, and until then in my opinion/estimation we are not ready for gene splicing or being born off the planet etc.

The real, "present tense" loss, is that the next generation wont be able to complain about the flavor, because they wont know any better.
When was the last time you bought fruit's or veg's at the supermarket and said "Wow, I really got my moneys worth!"
Look at Fl. laws, regarding tomatoes, I know it wasn't written with the consumer in mind, There is no standard of flavor, I've wasted time & money, only to have to lower my standards and tell my children how wonderful fruits and veg's once tasted. But it's for the greater good.

http://www.floridatomatoes.org/Regulations/Domestic-Markets.aspx Making Corporations profitable when they just cant do it on their own. http://www.odenberg.com/
It simply became cheaper to control the fruit then improve the process.

Grandpapy said:

The real, "present tense" loss, is that the next generation wont be able to complain about the flavor, because they wont know any better.
When was the last time you bought fruit's or veg's at the supermarket and said "Wow, I really got my moneys worth!"
Look at Fl. laws, regarding tomatoes, I know it wasn't written with the consumer in mind, There is no standard of flavor, I've wasted time & money, only to have to lower my standards and tell my children how wonderful fruits and veg's once tasted. But it's for the greater good.

http://www.floridatomatoes.org/Regulations/Domestic-Markets.aspx Making Corporations profitable when they just cant do it on their own. http://www.odenberg.com/
It simply became cheaper to control the fruit then improve the process.

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dont like store bought tomatoes? grow your own.

the topsy turvy really works, and in florida theres really no reason not to.

even the existence of this forum is proof of fact that if you are unsatisfied with the commercial options (dirt weed, ripoffs, getting busted by narcs...) you can Grow Your Own.

Yea, I just cant sell them in the market.

Dr Kynes said:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJRs2TnP9H8

Jack Crabb: Do you hate them? Do you hate the White man now?
Old Lodge Skins: Do you see this fine thing? Do you admire the humanity of it? Because the human beings, my son, they believe everything is alive. Not only man and animals. But also water, earth, stone. And also the things from them... like that hair. The man from whom this hair came, he's bald on the other side, because I now own his scalp! That is the way things are. But the white man, they believe EVERYTHING is dead. Stone, earth, animals. And people! Even their own people! If things keep trying to live, white man will rub them out. That is the difference.

DNAprotection said:

That which your language translates from native languages as the 'great spirit' is to me better translated to mean 'the great equation'.
From my view you could say that everything that exists represents a number in that great equation.
Further, every moment in 'time' and or every action of everything in every moment also represents numbers in that equation.
Human culture, by way of the 'conquering' and 'good v bad' (and current perception of what 'survival of the fittest' means) mentalities of linear thinking brought by Europeans, has devolved.
The notion of written laws was unnecessary to natives because the laws are everywhere you look and in fact you are made of the 'laws' etc, whereas in current human culture written law is all you understand = complete mental disconnect from who and what you really are.
When humans understand what they see when looking in the mirror, they might then understand what they are seeing when they look everywhere else, and until then in my opinion/estimation we are not ready for gene splicing or being born off the planet etc.

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The native Americans collided with a superior culture in terms of technology and military. The outcome was predictable. Native Americans are no better than Europeans, or Asians or Africans. Let's not deify them with a bunch of mystical gibberish, they were just ordinary humans.

DNAprotection said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJRs2TnP9H8

Jack Crabb: Do you hate them? Do you hate the White man now?
Old Lodge Skins: Do you see this fine thing? Do you admire the humanity of it? Because the human beings, my son, they believe everything is alive. Not only man and animals. But also water, earth, stone. And also the things from them... like that hair. The man from whom this hair came, he's bald on the other side, because I now own his scalp! That is the way things are. But the white man, they believe EVERYTHING is dead. Stone, earth, animals. And people! Even their own people! If things keep trying to live, white man will rub them out. That is the difference.

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Rolls eyes. More gibberish.

desert dude said:

The native Americans collided with a superior culture in terms of technology and military. The outcome was predictable. Native Americans are no better than Europeans, or Asians or Africans. Let's not deify them with a bunch of mystical gibberish, they were just ordinary humans.

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Actually they must of have been doing something right because they existed for at least 10's of thousands of years without any of the traits that have plagued Europeans for at least the last 2-3 thousand years.
Just an example, I live about a mile from "one of" (in "" edited controversial mistake lol)the largest natural and one of the oldest known lakes in the northern hemisphere of this continent and 'the first people' here (named "Pomo" by the invaders) lived here for at least (also amended for discussions sake)"12" thousand years (that we can verify and could be longer) before Europeans arrived and were not 'nomadic'. We are now fairly sure that the population they had living around this lake at that time must have fluctuated up to possibly 100,000 or more humans and up until Europeans arrived the lake was actually clear, that's why the invaders renamed it to be 'Clearlake'. Now the invaders have only been here for a couple hundred years and now have a max population of about 64 thousand and the lake has turned to water that you wouldn't want your kid's or your dog swimming in.
Your mentality can't even figure out how to live around a lake without polluting and destroying the ecosystems, and now you want to piss in the entire gene pool?

The point is, you are incorrect as usual dd.

DNAprotection said:

Actually they must of have been doing something right because they existed for at least 10's of thousands of years without any of the traits that have plagued Europeans for at least the last 2-3 thousand years.
Just an example, I live about a mile from the largest natural and one of the oldest known lakes in the northern hemisphere of this continent and 'the first people' here (named "Pomo" by the invaders) lived here for at least 21-23 thousand years (that we can verify and could be longer) before Europeans arrived and were not 'nomadic'. We are now fairly sure that the population they had living around this lake at that time must have fluctuated up to possibly 100,000 or more humans and up until Europeans arrived the lake was actually clear, that's why the invaders renamed it to be 'Clearlake'. Now the invaders have only been here for a couple hundred years and now have a max population of about 64 thousand and the lake has turned to water that you wouldn't wan't your kid's or your dog swimming in.

The point is, you are incorrect as usual dd.

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I am unable to find any mention of Pomo people living near Lake Superior.
I can only find mention of a Pomo tribe in California, which is far from large freshwater bodies except Lake Tahoe.
I also cannot find any mention of humans in the Americas prior to an estimated 15 thousand years ago, in Alaska, with younger earliest settlement dates heading south. cn

cannabineer said:

I am unable to find any mention of Pomo people living near Lake Superior.
I can only find mention of a Pomo tribe in California, which is far from large freshwater bodies except Lake Tahoe.
I also cannot find any mention of humans in the Americas prior to an estimated 15 thousand years ago, in Alaska, with younger earliest settlement dates heading south. cn

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Lake Superior? I said one of the oldest, and yes I am in Cali at 'Clear Lake' and your info on oldest find etc is simply out of date, I'm at ground zero for some of the more recent finds.

You said "the largest (natural) lake in the Western hemisphere". That's unambiguous.

Can you provide a link for these finds of great age? I confess I've not been on top of the lit. cn

cannabineer said:

You said "the largest (natural) lake in the Western hemisphere". That's unambiguous.

Can you provide a link for these finds of great age? I confess I've not been on top of the lit. cn

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"The largest (natural) lake in the Western hemisphere," is Lake Titicaca. Unless you define depth, surface area or volume as your defining criterium, it's ambiguous.

cannabineer said:

You said "the largest (natural) lake in the Western hemisphere". That's unambiguous.

Can you provide a link for these finds of great age? I confess I've not been on top of the lit. cn

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...please forgive me cb and all, I meant to write 'one' of the largest and oldest...lucky I wasn't splicing a gene.