Which breeder has a true Nl #5? For a fair price and it is actual quality

smellzlikeskunkyum

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The "original" N.L. #5 was........ available from "The Seed Bank" back in the 1980's and early 1990's. Everyone and their mother took that and hybridized it out with other strains, to produce seeds, but still called it N.L. #5- even though it wasn't 100% pure anymore. If you go to Nevils/Shantibaba forum web site, hosted by their Mr. Nice seed selling site, you can read all about it in many threads. But, I just read a few nights ago that Shanti said the strain IS GONE and is NO MORE. It died off in 1990. He is claiming no one has it anymore, contrary to what others are claiming on here.

Same thing happened to the original N.L. #1. It's a different plant now, even the one sold by Sensi. Here is Seedsman's description, which I totally believe to be true:

" The original Northern Lights plants were described to be true breeding Afghanis with extreme indica characteristics. They were dark green in color and very stable, with a high flower to leaf ratio while sporting a piney taste and purple hues in flowering. They were also known to be highly resinous with a THC percentage over 15%, sometimes higher."


I don't think we'll ever know for sure, but Nevil and Shanti continue to pipe in and say it's gone, no one has the true cutting anymore, and since it was theirs originally, I believe them.
Okay i feel ya i didnt know that.

ya know it erk's me a little how Nevil and Shanti didnt find a way for these strains to be kept around, especially if the originals are so unique and/or valuable. Its just so conveinient for them to have all the info on why the original is unique, but not still have it.
it makes me not ever want to buy a mr nice seed... :(

all i ever knew, wether right or not, was that it was an experiment orginally between afghan and thai genetics. the numbers were different backcrosses of afghan into the hybrid, i have no idea which numbers were what amount tho in respect to what u mentioned about seedsman. i did read that before on the tude, also dinafem's industrial plant as they call it. for some reason the humbolt seed org. has a strain they call some weird name that has a very similar description to the dinafem industrial plant.
 

Jogro

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The "original" N.L. #5 was........ available from "The Seed Bank" back in the 1980's and early 1990's. Everyone and their mother took that and hybridized it out with other strains, to produce seeds, but still called it N.L. #5- even though it wasn't 100% pure anymore. If you go to Nevils/Shantibaba forum web site, hosted by their Mr. Nice seed selling site, you can read all about it in many threads. But, I just read a few nights ago that Shanti said the strain IS GONE and is NO MORE. It died off in 1990. He is claiming no one has it anymore, contrary to what others are claiming on here.
Northern Lights #5 took first place for best strain in the High Times Cannabis cup in 1993 (also first place in 1990, second place in 1992, and third place for "bio cup" in 1994).

That's a pretty impressive performance for a strain these guys claim was extinct at the time!

I also happened to have smoked and grown some plant around '95 or '96 that was a short dark green indica that has super-short internodal length, was highly resinous, piney in flavor, and strong as heck. I was told it was "Northern lights" grown from imported ceed. Was I lied to?

Anyway, I do believe its possible that none of the big commercial growers have the original anymore. However, with all due respect to them I don't know how Neville and Shanti can possibly know what's being grown and held in private hands all over the world. Is it completely impossible that someone, somewhere, has something called "Northern lights" that maybe isn't a 100% faithful cut of the "original" (whatever that is), but instead a descendant of the original with most of the same genetics? I'd like to think this is plausible.

As one example, see here. In the past 60 days, at least half a dozen growers have tested samples THEY call Northern lights (or NL#5, etc) and some of these are testing higher than 20% THC, with high CBD too:

http://www.sclabs.com/scl-tested.html?samplename=northern+lights&sampleid=&client=&Cannabinoid=Select&sampletype=Select&filter_order=a.DateTested&filter_order_Dir=DESC&task=public&Itemid=352&limit=10&limitstart=0&option=com_scl_tested&task=public

http://www.sclabs.com/sample-details.html?task=sample&sample=121221Q009
http://www.sclabs.com/sample-details.html?task=sample&sample=121126P009


Same thing happened to the original N.L. #1. It's a different plant now, even the one sold by Sensi. Here is Seedsman's description, which I totally believe to be true:

" The original Northern Lights plants were described to be true breeding Afghanis with extreme indica characteristics. They were dark green in color and very stable, with a high flower to leaf ratio while sporting a piney taste and purple hues in flowering. They were also known to be highly resinous with a THC percentage over 15%, sometimes higher."
Me too.
See above.
 

SSHZ

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I'm assuming when Nevil says the original clone is gone, the parentage died. They still had, and still do to this day, some seeds available made from the original stock. Mr. Nice Ortega was supposed to from very old seeds of N.L. #5 that Shantibaba had started recently with only a scant few sprouted. That's what I read anyway. As I stated, although this was widely reported, now we know differently after much prodding from consumers and forum members.

Again, anyone can call anything N.L. #5 and who would know better. Too many breeders just want to sell seeds, so they'll attach a "bankable" name to a new strain. Unless it's Sannie, Eskobar, Chimera, Ace and a few others- I trust them to give accurate info. The other 80% is bullshit, I'm guessing. Some are really bad i.e Green House, Dutch Passion, etc.

Nevil had stopped producing seeds, but had years worth of beans available for sale for years to come. He sold off his castle, cuttings and some seed stock when he ran into his legal issues. Ben Dronkers (if I'm spelling it right) and dad/son whichever supposedly really screwed up what was left of Nevils stuff with very poor breeding practices and selections.

This is what happens when you get a bunch of old "heads" together trying to remember the way things were 25+ years ago....... no one, including the breeders remembers much..... And what they do isn't always accurate....
 

Maravillosa

Member
There is no such thing as NL #5 seeds. It was only available as a clone.

Maravillosa - If you found someone who had a 25 year old NL#5 mother that would be insane! I would imagine cuts of that would be extremely valuable. Anyways, outside of Neville and a few other top breeders I doubt anyone else had cuts.

I have scoured the internet for reviews on NL. Surprisingly, I have read a couple negative reports of Sensi, but no negative reports on Nirvana. Go figure! Does anybody know about the lineage of the Nirvana seeds beyond the ad info?
Oh yes there is my friend. As I said earlier, there is a small outfit with a limited line of high quality genetics. It seems they're calling it simply NL now.
 

OGEvilgenius

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Peakseedsbc's NL, which I'm growing now, reminds me completely of old school NL (piney/sweet smell that isn't overpowering). Looks like it has a lot of potential to me. And it's cheap. AFAIK he had a lot of seeds from various eras, mostly classics. He germed what he could and did the selection. Had blueberry from every reliable source he could find, did the same with NL (including some old packs of both).

Haven't harvested yet, but the promise is no question there. And I'd say it's definitely real NL. Of course it's his version, but it seems good to me so far. Of course after harvest all could change.
 
From what I have read, NL#5 was the best Northern Lights from a batch of seeds of which the parents were lost. Since the parents were gone, NL #5 was available as clone only. So the only way to get seeds from the NL #5 strain would be to breed it with a male, which would make it impure. Therefore, there cannot be any pure NL#5 seeds. Am I missing something here?

Anyways, SSHZ interesting idea to pick the NL/Haze and try to find a NL pheno. Do you know anything about the different phenos? Have you seen anyone selling old BCSC NL? Seems like there would still be too much sativa in there though to make a good pure nl.

Honestly, I think that anyone claiming original NL #5 is simply lying. With that said, IMHO it just comes down to who has the strain with the most similar characteristics to the original NL rather than trying to find who has the heritage. Because as we have determined, trying to get potheads to remember anything from 25 years ago is a bit of a stretch ;)
 

SSHZ

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First off, great conversation. It renews my faith in mankind.

Read this again, if you haven't: http://www.seedsman.com/en/origins-of-northern-lights/


N.L. #5 was only inbred. So, it's not "impure"........ while Nevil worked with it.

I grew the N.L. #5 X Haze once about 10 years ago. It was a beast of a plant. Tough to control- a monster that elongated OVER 4X in flowering. Big cola's, great smoke otherwise. Rubbery leaves, funny shape. Only grew 1 plant so I can't comment on pheno's.

And yes you are right. No "pure" N.L. #5 around since 1990, per Nevil and Shanti. Everyone elses is "impure".
 

SSHZ

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I'm guessing he would have said already if he wanted everyone to know.......... but it still doesn't mean it true.
 

Jogro

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Again, anyone can call anything N.L. #5 and who would know better.
Well, I think anyone who has tried the original in the early 90s would recognize something as being totally unrelated to it. Again, NL wasn't some obscure strain that nobody ever tried. . .it was highly popular and was (and still is) in fact one of the most famous "name" strains in the world. Lots of people smoked this, and lots grew it.

No "pure" N.L. #5 around since 1990, per Nevil and Shanti. Everyone elses is "impure".
I like your use of quotes there.

I'm not entirely sure how relevant "purity"/"impurity" is here when you're talking about a clone-only hybridized plant of unclear derivation and stability.

The claim also specifically reminds me of martial arts where every "master" with teaching slots to sell claims he is the only one with the "pure/authentic" system, handed down directly from the famous grandmaster, etc, with everyone ELSE'S system being a pale copy. That's even though there are only so many effective ways to punch, kick, or block, and the majority of these techniques have been spread widely and are effectively common to every martial art. That's another field where most everyone is selling what appears to be the same thing, and its full of BS claims to try and differentiate the "product".

Anyway, even stipulating that the "pure"/clone only NL#5 was gone by 1990, its documented fact that there was something called "Northern lights" around far after that, presumably a hybrid derived from the above.

This "imposter" (and I'm using that tongue in cheek) was apparently good enough to win multiple awards, capture the public's imagination, and become one of the most famous cannabis strains of all time. Even if this so-called "Northern Lights" strain isn't exactly the same as NL#5, it appears phenotypically similar, being short, bushy, dark green, resiny, piney, low odor and potent, and I'd have to assume its at least partly (if not mostly) genetically similar.

So what's the "real" Northern lights. . .the strain that MNS claims was extinct in '90, or the one(s?) that became famous afterwards? That's an interesting semantic question. More important, even if the strain that won the cups wasn't NL#5, what was it, and where is it now? Hard to believe that that line is gone, too.

From my perspective, even if what's around now isn't the same as the "pure" NL#5, I'm not sure it matters. Its a case of "walks like a duck, quacks like a duck". If there is something around now that is partly (or mostly) derived from the same genetics, phenotypically similar, and excellent in its own right, I think that's probably "good enough" for anyone interested in growing this.

So, I think the original question is still germane. . .who has something good under that name now that isn't super-expensive?
 

hotrodharley

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Again, anyone can call anything N.L. #5 and who would know better.
I have been forced to name pot I have sold. People just have to have a name. So I named some. How many bozos grew out any seed they found (I grew strictly guerrilla outdoors from 1964 to when we had our kid in 95) and claimed it was "Hot Rod 93" or some such. Thai Devil? Black Afghan? Black Mamba from Africa? All from damned good smoke but . . . ..

This is why if somebody recommends a certain strain from one breeder I listen more carefully. I just grew out a G13 Labs OG13 which they claim is simply their branded OG Kush. Damn. Stinky all the way through the dry ( a first) - and I do mean stink. Sticky when cut and sticky dried/cured. And the smell is identical to the description of classic OG Kush with a solvent/fuel smell. Killer smoke too. Wish I had not subjected it and 3 other strains to a challenge to do 12/12 from seed. Have more G13 Labs OG13 enroute for a real veg and flower session for some real yield. I highly recommend this one!
 

SSHZ

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  • So, I think the original question is still germane. . .who has something good under that name now that isn't super-expensive?​






The million dollar question. My feeling is the original is gone, but their are many knock offs available. These hybrids probably have anywhere from 10%-70% of the original N.L. #5 in them, depending on the pheno. I would guess Sensi's N.L. #5 X Haze would be the most reliable seed you can purchase, to assure you ARE getting some original N.L. #5 genetics.
 

indyboarder57

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Well guys and gals, all your comments are very interesting and have provided me with hours of reading lol. After doing my own research, I concur that the original NL 5 is gone. Oh well, cheers to old great genetics. What I will probably do is just end up grabbing either Sensi's NL 5 x Haze, Delicious Seed's Northern Blue, or finally Peakseeds NL cross. I have read that Sensi's NL5 is the most true genetics, just have to select the proper NL leaning phenotype. However, I am not that much of a haze fan, thus why i am looking at Northern Blue and Peakseeds version. Any input on those two breeders? Mahalo for all your info! Mele kalikimaka!
 

smellzlikeskunkyum

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if u dont like haze DONT get the haze and nl its very sativa and it even warns its hard to grow with some phenos leaning toward 14+ weeks. id honestly suggest nirvana nl myself... but ive seen great nl blue plants from delicious. but that would be just like getting blue mystic from nirvana.

Edit: maybe royal queen or some of the other less known companies could be worth trying too. dutch passion oasis if u can find it. ive noticed a number of them i would have suggested are gone.
 

treetopmmmp

Active Member
IF there was a way to know if British Columbia Seed
Company (BCSC) was still using the same parents that
made their version of NL famous, I'd go with them for
sure. I've made posts and asked around and no one seems
to know if the same parents are being used or not but
a lot of people are assuming that the parents have changed
over the years. You can find them here:

http://www.seaofseeds.com/product-detail.php?cat_url=british-columbia&prod_url=british-columbia-northern-light-5

Out of the breeders you listed, you're most likely to find a
high quality old school NL pheno from Peak. They've been
working it for a long time from old school genetics.

I've also smoked BCSeedking's version and Highgrade's version.
I personally preferred the Highgrade but I've heard that BCSeedking
has some good phenos, and out of the samples I had, the
Highgrade was grown better than the BCSeedking so I don't have
a way to fairly compare the two.

Even though I have zero experience with it, and I've never seen
a grow or smoke report on it, I think the version from Jordan of
The Islands would be very good. You can find them here:

http://hempdepot.ca/seeds/Jordan_of_the_Island/NorthernLights.html

I also have zero experience with the version from Classic Seeds but
I'd love to give it a shot. You can get them here:

http://www.seeddepot.nl/cannabis-seeds/classic-seeds/real-northern-lights-5635.html


If 303 Seeds would release their Aurora Project beans to a seed bank,
I'd buy 2 packs for sure. It sucks that they seem to only be available
in Colorado.

To sum up a long rambling answer to a short question, go with Peak.


treetopmmmp
 

brimck325

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This is all came about when he was a pitcher with the Phils, late in his career......he loved good pot. He wasn't the only player on the team that liked to smoke, either.
i met him after he retired from ball.my mother worked in local restaurant where he lived, quite a few philles drank there. harry's favorite hangout...peace
 

treetopmmmp

Active Member
Just saw the post right above my last one. Can't believe
I forgot Nirvana. There version is supposed to be F2's of old
Sensi stock. A lot of people hate Nirvana and you might have
do to some extra pheno hunting but there are some gems to
be found in their NL and with the cheap price, you could do
some decent selections. I have no idea if they are actually
F2's (or beyond) of Sensi's old stock but the consensus seems
to be that they are.

treetopmmmp
 
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