change the statistics to be from ages 0-12 and those homicides decrease into the double digits. Criminal behavior and risk taking is highest for those in age groups 17-24.
Here it comes - gun control!!!
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Beefbisquit
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It's very easy for most people, in most states to get firearms.
You can't buy a bolt action .50 cal? Or a any bolt action?
Compared to any other developed nation the USA has insanely liberal gun laws.
i don't want to start a campaign on anything.
look how easy it is to get a car. no background checks, no database to see if you have any restraining orders or bad driving records. you can buy as many cars as you want in a weeks period and there will not be some special check done on you. no car strawbuyers out there. Most broken laws are traffic laws. Guns are heavily regulated compared to cars. you can go buy a car that will go 300MPH ansd no one will stop you, try to buy a gun that will shoot 2000rounds per minute and you have all sorts of obstacles to overcome.
Beefbisquit
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http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf
This says most bolt-action rifles are ok, what's the deal?
This says most bolt-action rifles are ok, what's the deal?
doublejj
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And why would you need to shoot 2000 rounds in 1 min?........Elephant stampeed?....Oh let me guess, zombies!
Mindmelted
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cannabineer
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Maybe that says more about the other developed nations. Seriously, if you were in central government, would you LIKE an armed populace? Of course not... it generates conflicts of interest. Note also the the Ratchet has not loosened once in the last 200 years. The usual public-safety reasons were given, but the bottom line has always been that arms in civilian hands made governing more work. For that I have the most limited sympathy.
The gun in question is chambered .308, a very ordinary cartridge. And the State says No. It highlights the arbitrariness of the made-up category "assault weapon". Imo that is the sort of "let us tell you what's good for you" attitude that I don't like in central government. cn
Why do they make cars capable of speeds in excess of 75MPH? No one NEEDS to go that fast since its the highest posted speed limit in the land.
Wants, not needs. The essence of a private system.
cannabineer
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Why is any bolt gun not in .50BMG excluded? cn
Beefbisquit
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Believe it or not, but different things require different types of legislation. Not everything can have the exact same type of rules.
Cars cannot be concealed and brought into places to murder people, or kill people from a few hundred meters away, but they can cause fatal injuries so things like seat belts and air bags became mandatory. Stricter crash test standards were invented. New materials were used, and new technologies were put in place to prevent injuries as well. Car seat regulations and a plethora of other regulations were invented.
There are speed limits and a license is required to use a vehicle in public. If you abuse the car, you can have your license revoked and driving privileges suspended. To drive a vehicle you are also entered into a database with all your information stored in it. What type of car you drive, what year, etc. is all entered into the system.
Different regulations for different things! What a novel idea!
Beefbisquit
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Some arbitrary decision? Doesn't make sense to me.
all of your ideas require all the existing 270 million + guns to be registered, just how do you plan for this to happen. Without all of them being registered your plans of regulation will never ever work or even make a difference. pie in the sky dreams.
Beefbisquit
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What?? What are you talking about?
All I did was list some of the regulations that have to do with cars because people were saying cars weren't regulated. I wasn't advocating gun registration.
I'm advocating some of the same common fucking sense logic to firearms, like was done with automobiles.
if the government has no idea where the 270 million guns are, how will they ever enforce "weapons storage laws"? Who will they know to check?
Beefbisquit
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LOL - you think storage laws are going to mean Cops have entry to your home? I don't think anywhere that has storage regulations requires inspections. Correct me if I'm wrong.
BUT
If you called the cops, or the fire dept, and they saw unsecured guns or improperly stored ammo, you would be charged. For a lot of people, that's enough for them to get a trigger lock or gun safe. If 1/2 of the guns manage to get locked up, it's going to be harder for guns to get stolen or used by children.
As time goes on, and the people resistant to change die; younger people will generally follow the regulations.
so, in other words the law will do nothing to alleviate gun deaths, and instead be used to punish otherwise law abiding citizens.
BTW how does a gun lock keep your firearm from being stolen?
Mindmelted
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desert dude
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This is for you, beefbisquit. If gun registration and banning doesn't work in Europe, the suggestion that it might work in the US is laughable. Read the whole article, you might find it enlightening:
"Well, says the Small Arms Survey, a research outfit established by the Swiss government, the United Kingdom, with just shy of 1.8 million legal firearms, has about four million illegal guns. Belgium, with about 458,000 legal firearms, has roughly two million illegal guns. In Germany, the number is 7.2 million legal guns and between 17 and 20 million off-the-books examples of things that go “bang” (a figure with which the German Police Union very publicly agrees). France, says the Survey, has 15-17 million unlawful firearms in a nation where 2.8 million weapons are held in compliance with the law."
http://reason.com/archives/2012/12/22/gun-restrictions-have-always-bred-defian/1
"Well, says the Small Arms Survey, a research outfit established by the Swiss government, the United Kingdom, with just shy of 1.8 million legal firearms, has about four million illegal guns. Belgium, with about 458,000 legal firearms, has roughly two million illegal guns. In Germany, the number is 7.2 million legal guns and between 17 and 20 million off-the-books examples of things that go “bang” (a figure with which the German Police Union very publicly agrees). France, says the Survey, has 15-17 million unlawful firearms in a nation where 2.8 million weapons are held in compliance with the law."
http://reason.com/archives/2012/12/22/gun-restrictions-have-always-bred-defian/1
doublejj
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Same reason you can't have a hand grenade, WTF4?