Here it comes - gun control!!!

wheels619

wheels619

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cannabineer said:
Are you kidding me? Guns in the USA are very heavily regulated, even punitively so. I can't even buy a bolt-action rifle here in CA!!!!! cn
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i agree that guns are way too regulated. they have people that have no firearm experience whats so ever creating the regulations. u cant buy a bolt action rifle due to one of a few stupid ass reasons but u can still buy a nice AR variant no problem. lol.
 
wheels619

wheels619

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Beefbisquit said:
http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf

This says most bolt-action rifles are ok, what's the deal?
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ca has severe firearm regulations. they cant sell a firearm in the state of california due to a few stupid ass reasons. it hasnt been drop tested which is the case for most guns. the state charges a gun manufacturer $10000 to drop a loaded firearm to make sure it doesnt go off. the manufacturer needs to submit 3 firearms to have these tests done that will be destroyed after the tests are completed. sometimes the profit margins arent really worth it to have a few rifles sold in the state if the cost to profit ratio isnt good enough. at 1000 a gun x3 + 10000 per model of the firearm. if they have 3 models thats 9 guns total that go to waste. the test it gets pricey. also reasons could be they dont have appropriate safeties or trigger mechanisms. some thing small can get a firearm denied on the california firearms roster which is updated yearly.
 
wheels619

wheels619

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cannabineer said:
Why is any bolt gun not in .50BMG excluded? cn
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becuz u can own them and purchase them but the ammo is really hard to find. only gun shops in california that sell it sell it becuz they had bought enough to stock pile before the round was deemed "bad" by the government of california. basically they got grandfathered into the sales of the ammo. they do make a shortened cased version of the 50bmg thats legal to purchase today. still the same bullet just a shorter necked down casing. its about 1/4-1/2 inch shorter now. but still packs the same punch as the bigger version.
 
Beefbisquit

Beefbisquit

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desert dude said:
This is for you, beefbisquit. If gun registration and banning doesn't work in Europe, the suggestion that it might work in the US is laughable. Read the whole article, you might find it enlightening:

"Well, says the Small Arms Survey, a research outfit established by the Swiss government, the United Kingdom, with just shy of 1.8 million legal firearms, has about four million illegal guns. Belgium, with about 458,000 legal firearms, has roughly two million illegal guns. In Germany, the number is 7.2 million legal guns and between 17 and 20 million off-the-books examples of things that go “bang” (a figure with which the German Police Union very publicly agrees). France, says the Survey, has 15-17 million unlawful firearms in a nation where 2.8 million weapons are held in compliance with the law."

http://reason.com/archives/2012/12/22/gun-restrictions-have-always-bred-defian/1
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I never suggested banning or registration.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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wheels619 said:
becuz u can own them and purchase them but the ammo is really hard to find. only gun shops in california that sell it sell it becuz they had bought enough to stock pile before the round was deemed "bad" by the government of california. basically they got grandfathered into the sales of the ammo. they do make a shortened cased version of the 50bmg thats legal to purchase today. still the same bullet just a shorter necked down casing. its about 1/4-1/2 inch shorter now. but still packs the same punch as the bigger version.
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I owned a Barrett .416 for a spell, it was my "oh hi Arnie" gun. Sold it without getting the chance to fire even one round through it.

But I was wondering about bolt guns not in .50, which i know to be prohibited as a class. But because this one has certain features, e.g. detachable magazine and pistol grip, it's considered an Assault Weapon.

This is why I dislike "assault weapon" as terminology. It's useless except to drive a no-more-guns! agenda.

A bolt-action rifle, fer grief's sake. You can't get "huntinger" than that. cn
 
wheels619

wheels619

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cannabineer said:
I owned a Barrett .416 for a spell, it was my "oh hi Arnie" gun. Sold it without getting the chance to fire even one round through it.

But I was wondering about bolt guns not in .50, which i know to be prohibited as a class. But because this one has certain features, e.g. detachable magazine and pistol grip, it's considered an Assault Weapon.

This is why I dislike "assault weapon" as terminology. It's useless except to drive a no-more-guns! agenda.

A bolt-action rifle, fer grief's sake. You can't get "huntinger" than that. cn
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does the gun ur talking about have a threaded barrel for a muzzle break on it? becuz in cali u have to have the threads welded with a muzzle break attached to it or a thread saver that also has to be welded. most factories do it. but some feel u should go f urself if u live in cali. lmao. sucks. i have a sweet 1911 and a sig in 22 that both have threaded barrel in most states. threads that will accepts a silencer. but in cali the thread savers are welded to a point of killing the threads completely if ever removed. soon i will have my zombie silenced .22 lmfao. j/k. what sucks most is a lot of states issue tax stamps for silencers. 140 miles east i can get one in az but the heat sucks 8 months out of the year. lol.
 
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NoDrama

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Beefbisquit said:
Believe it or not, but different things require different types of legislation. Not everything can have the exact same type of rules.

Cars cannot be concealed and brought into places to murder people, or kill people from a few hundred meters away, but they can cause fatal injuries so things like seat belts and air bags became mandatory. Stricter crash test standards were invented. New materials were used, and new technologies were put in place to prevent injuries as well. Car seat regulations and a plethora of other regulations were invented.

There are speed limits and a license is required to use a vehicle in public. If you abuse the car, you can have your license revoked and driving privileges suspended. To drive a vehicle you are also entered into a database with all your information stored in it. What type of car you drive, what year, etc. is all entered into the system.

Different regulations for different things! What a novel idea!
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Cars aren't specifically mentioned in the Constitution, nor carriages or other modes of transportation, so you are quite right, they should not be treated equally. Any kind of legislation infringing upon the rights of gun owners is prohibited, not so for modes of transportation.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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wheels619 said:
does the gun ur talking about have a threaded barrel for a muzzle break on it? becuz in cali u have to have the threads welded with a muzzle break attached to it or a thread saver that also has to be welded. most factories do it. but some feel u should go f urself if u live in cali. lmao. sucks. i have a sweet 1911 and a sig in 22 that both have threaded barrel in most states. threads that will accepts a silencer. but in cali the thread savers are welded to a point of killing the threads completely if ever removed. soon i will have my zombie silenced .22 lmfao. j/k. what sucks most is a lot of states issue tax stamps for silencers. 140 miles east i can get one in az but the heat sucks 8 months out of the year. lol.
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Yup; it does. Steyr SSG-08. It has the full Imperial Pack™: collapsible stock, pistol grip, detachable mag and a threaded-on flash suppressor. It's an assault musket!! Run. Hide! cn
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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NoDrama said:
Cars aren't specifically mentioned in the Constitution, nor carriages or other modes of transportation, so you are quite right, they should not be treated equally. Any kind of legislation infringing upon the rights of gun owners is prohibited, not so for modes of transportation.
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Except in CA you cannot own an Assault Equine. cn

 
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