When pseudoscience harms

tyler.durden

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This isn't about harm directly, but since homeopathy was brought up.

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/1807-fda-ensures-magic-rituals-are-done-properly.html

The FDA looked at a large homeopathic company and found,

"b. The investigator also observed for Batch #36659 that one out of every six bottles did not receive the dose of active homeopathic drug solution due to the wobbling and vibration of the bottle assembly during filling of the active ingredient. The active ingredient was instead seen dripping down the outside of the vial assembly. Your firm lacked controls to ensure that the active ingredient is delivered to every bottle."

"c. The dosing process has not been validated appropriately. Specifically, your surrogate validation study, “Medication of un-medicated pillules with (b)(4),” visually demonstrates the variability of the amount of (b)(4) for the pillules in one vial. Your firm lacks control of the variation for the amount of the active ingredient in the pillules."

So for who knows how long these homeopathic vials and pills were not getting a regulated balanced dose of active ingredient, and 1 out of every 6 was getting no active ingredient at all. Yet not one practitioner or patient noticed. If these were actual medicinal drugs, like antibiotics, how quick do you suppose users would notice?

Homeopathy is wishful thinking
I would ask what the 'active' ingredient was supposed to be. I'm sure that at least a molecule or two of it got into every bottle, simply from being in the same room as the vials. Under the homeopathic rules, wouldn't that make the vials that received less of the ingredient more effective?
 

Heisenberg

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I would ask what the 'active' ingredient was supposed to be. I'm sure that at least a molecule or two of it got into every bottle, simply from being in the same room as the vials. Under the homeopathic rules, wouldn't that make the vials that received less of the ingredient more effective?
Ha, that's an excellent question. Another one is, why is it impossible for a seasoned practitioner of homeopathy to distinguish between a vial of dosed water and a vial of pure water? Without visually seeing the 'active ingredient' miss going into the vial, there is no way to confirm it wasn't there. There is no test or method possible to determine after the fact which vials got the drug.
 

Heisenberg

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Lets move on to a particular kind of evil, Facilitated Communication.

"Facilitated communication (FC) is a process by which a person referred to as the "facilitator" supports the hand or arm of a communicatively impaired individual while using a keyboard or other devices with the aim of helping the individual to point and thereby to communicate."

This is actually helpful in a few situations and on the surface it doesn't look too different than other methods we have of helping people communicate. And that is just it, the people it does work for can obviously attempt to communicate in the first place, and would probably benefit from better methods. For the most part, FC is unnecessary and inefficient even in the few individual cases where it can work, unless it is a stepping stone to something more self-reliant. Many children can benefit from speah therapy, develop a gesture-based language, or use technological augmentation on their own. But these things are hard and take time to get results, FC is offered up as an easy breakthrough and often at the exclusion of other methods.

The problem comes when this is applied to severe autism or retardation.

"The American Psychological Association has issued a position paper on FC, stating that "Studies have repeatedly demonstrated that facilitated communication is not a scientifically valid technique for individuals with autism or mental retardation" and describing FC as "a controversial and unproved communicative procedure with no scientifically demonstrated support for its efficacy."

Many people accept that FC can be used to connect to a mind that has never made significant attempts itself to engage in communication. Parents believe their children who have never spoken before are somehow suddenly conveying concepts and emotions. Some individuals are unable to even look at the keyboard or the screen, yet somehow are still believed to be picking the letters.

Of course it's been shown that the person assisting FC is really the one doing the communicating. As you can guess, this is easy to test. We tell the individual a secret word, but not the facilitator, and ask for it to be typed. That's it. That's all it takes to tell if the experience is real. When the facilitator is unable to produce the secret word, we know something else is going on. In many cases simply changing the facilitator changes the tone of the communication significantly.

The explanation lies in the ideomotor effect. The same phenomenon which convinces people Ouija boards and dousing rods are real.

"The ideomotor effect is a psychological phenomenon wherein a subject makes motions unconsciously. As in reflexive responses to pain, the body sometimes reacts reflexively to ideas alone without the person consciously deciding to take action."

So because of this effect, even the facilitator can believe the patient is doing the talking, and not them. One of the most common things for a first timer to communicate is "I love you mommy". Imagine trying to tell someone who's child just expressed love for the first time ever that it was not real. It's an appeal to wishful thinking that is near impossible to overcome.

So what's that harm? Even is it isn't real, if the parents believe it, who cares as long as everyone feels love. Well you don't have to think about it too much before the problems arise.

One possible result is that the child 'requests' life changes that they don't really want. These can just be harmless changes in clothing or hairstyle preference, it can also lead to significant changes in medical and educational treatment. Also, many children simply do not want to do it, and scream to get away. FC practitioners hold the belief that what the child is saying does not reflect what he is thinking, it's a common thing to tell parents.

And of course, there is this,

We took Josh for a physical. We felt somewhat reassured when the doctor reported no physical signs of sexual molestation. But that reassurance was soon to evaporate.


I asked Josh's teachers and therapists how he could communicate like this. "He can talk," I said, "but he cannot read, write or spell." They said they could not explain it, but that FC was a miraculous new 'thing" that unlocked hidden intelligence.


Although we were doubtful, we trusted these professionals. And we wanted to believe our son was intelligent enough to have taught himself to read, write and spell. We went along with their recommendation that Josh should continue using FC.


As months passed, it continued to be facilitated that Josh was being abused, was not protected by his family, or wanted to leave home to be safe. At one point, the police were called in to investigate claims he was making "plots and ploys to murder" his family.


I allowed the police to question Josh because they agreed to provide me with a videotape of the interview. It was heartrending to watch 43 minutes of Josh struggling with the facilitator, using spoken language to repeatedly say, "Can I stop now? Can I go back to the room? No, no, no! I don't want to do this." He repeatedly yanked his hand away from hers, turned the typewriter off and looked around the room while she "facilitated," concentrating intently on the keyboard. When an officer suggested that our son might want to stop, the facilitator repeated the FC lore--what he says isn't valid; just pay attention to what is typed. The investigation continued.


A few weeks later, Josh's grandfather was accused of sexual abuse. My involvement was implied by a facilitated statement about "the ploy by my mother to appear normal."


We were distraught. If our son had been abused by anyone, we certainly wanted to know, but none of this made sense. Josh had never spoken about anything remotely resembling sexual molestation. Yet his teacher claimed this communication was coming from him.


A final "facilitated" police interview resulted in a typed sheet describing specific graphic sex acts involving me. I was hysterical after reading the accusations. School personnel then said they were convinced that, although these were his words, Josh was lying. The detective in charge decided not to file any charges.


Despite that decision, I cried for weeks. I was terrified my child would be taken away from me, or that I might be arrested or forced to leave my home. I couldn't understand how the sweet, funny, talkative child I loved could have done this. Or why.


Then I discovered he didn't do it. We experimented with our own electric typewriter. I had believed Josh's hand could not be pushed to keys he didn't want to press, but I soon discovered that, holding his hand, I could spell whatever I wanted. If I looked away from the keyboard, the words turned to gibberish.


At our insistence, the school stopped using FC with Josh. His recovery from FC began the day he entered a new classroom. After months of having his spoken language ignored, he was finally being valued for himself again.

Story in more detail here

And of course, this is not isolated. Many, many children who undergo facilitated communication end up accusing someone of abuse, rape or neglect. Families lose their children, face expensive court battles, and become estranged from loved ones based on something which has no demonstrable validity. Even at it's most benign, it still robs parents of truly knowing who their child is. This should be an easy pseudoscience to expose, but it is kept alive and well by wishful thinking, aka faith.
 

Heisenberg

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Here is a great vid showing what FC is, in case my description was lacking.

[video=youtube;FWBTgTiS7aE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWBTgTiS7aE[/video]
 

Heisenberg

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http://www.december212012.com/articles/news/Ready_for_Doomsday.htm

"Public concern is so high that NASA, the U.S. space agency, even has a section debunking the theories of impending doom on its website. The agency says it has taken more than 10,000 questions from people, some asking if they should kill themselves, their families or their pets."

"Another, a 13-year-old American, wrote: ‘I am considering suicide. I am scared to tears?.?.?. I don’t want to live any more, I deserve an explanation.’ A third wrote: ‘I am so scared. My only friend is my little dog. When should I put her to sleep so she won’t suffer when the Earth is destroyed?’

"Worried Americans are rushing to buy everything from $17 survival guides to $32,000-per-person places in bunkers that are marketed as being both nuclear bomb and asteroid-proof. Robert Vicino is a Californian businessman who is building the luxury bunkers in secret locations. His website asks: ‘What if the prophecies are true? Which side of the door do you want to be on?’
 

Padawanbater2

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http://www.december212012.com/articles/news/Ready_for_Doomsday.htm

"Public concern is so high that NASA, the U.S. space agency, even has a section debunking the theories of impending doom on its website. The agency says it has taken more than 10,000 questions from people, some asking if they should kill themselves, their families or their pets."

"Another, a 13-year-old American, wrote: ‘I am considering suicide. I am scared to tears?.?.?. I don’t want to live any more, I deserve an explanation.’ A third wrote: ‘I am so scared. My only friend is my little dog. When should I put her to sleep so she won’t suffer when the Earth is destroyed?’

"Worried Americans are rushing to buy everything from $17 survival guides to $32,000-per-person places in bunkers that are marketed as being both nuclear bomb and asteroid-proof. Robert Vicino is a Californian businessman who is building the luxury bunkers in secret locations. His website asks: ‘What if the prophecies are true? Which side of the door do you want to be on?’
If you think about it, that 13 year old kids parents do exactly the same thing most American parents do... scare their kids so much there's no other option butbelief..
 

Heisenberg

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http://fox4kc.com/2012/12/21/jury-awards-over-100m-to-parents-of-misty-horner-in-wrongful-death-suit/?religionnewsblog.com

According to court testimony, the Horner’s and Leather were part of a church created by John Horner, who believes himself to be an “apostle” and who preached that prayer will heal physical ailments, not modern medicine.

According to investigators, Caleb Horner performed an emergency episiotomy on Misty Horner with a pair of scissors as the baby, named Sydney, was born dead and in a breach position. Investigators say that Misty Horner was septic and suffering from a terrible infection. Misty Horner’s parents say that they were kept away from their daughter, but when they finally saw her she was clearly dying. They asked Caleb Horner to take their daughter to the hospital, but they say he refused, calling the situation “God’s will.”

Witnesses say that at one point, Misty Horner put her clothes on to go to the hospital, but was convinced that she just needed to believe in God’s healing power.
Misty Horner’s best friend, Tina Moore, testified that their religion required Misty Horner to be submissive to her husband at all times. In December 2006, Misty went into labor. According to Moore, Caleb Horner hired two midwives who were unqualified to deliver a baby, as Moore said they asked her to look up information in guide books.

During her testimony, Moore said Caleb Horner blamed the baby’s death on his wife’s family, calling it “generational sin” and that it was God’s way of punishing them.
 

tyler.durden

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^^ I grew up around this kind of shit, Heis, as my mother was a Christian Scientist. She would often pray for our injuries or sicknesses instead of immediately taking us to the hospital, and this was encouraged by the church. Luckily, she wasn't a fanatic and the times when our illnesses got worse, she broke down and took us to the docs. She felt guilty when she did this, and prayed for her faith to strengthen. Even as a small child I could sense this was whack, I think it took a lot of work for the adults to consider it otherwise...
 

Heisenberg

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http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2013/02/pertussis_epidemic_how_vermont_s_anti_vaxxer_activists_stopped_a_vaccine.single.html


Imagine coughing so hard and for so long that you turn blue and stop breathing. Pertussis, or whooping cough, can do that to an infant. The disease is caused by the bacterium Bordetella pertussis and occurs in three stages. The catarrhal stage, characterized by runny mucous, is highly contagious. It’s followed by the paroxysmal stage—unstoppable, sustained, violent coughing accompanied by a “whoop” when you inhale. (Listen to a baby with whooping cough here, or see a video of a boy with whooping cough here.) In the final, convalescent stage, a cough can linger for several weeks. Pertussis can affect anyone, but it poses the most danger to infants.


A pertussis vaccine became available in the 1940s, and incidence of the infection dropped from around 200,000 per year to barely over 1,000 by 1976. But today the United States is in the middle of a pertussis epidemic. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, more than 41,000 cases of pertussis were reported nationwide in 2012. At least 18 people have died, mostly infants younger than 3 months of age—too young to be fully vaccinated. There hasn’t been such a major outbreak since 1959. The states with the most cases per capita are Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Vermont.

By the time the Legislature reconvened in the capitol building, the anti-vaccination community had organized itself. “They were in the building every day, in people’s faces,” Till says. The activists blared the discredited claims of Andrew Wakefield that vaccines do more harm than good, that vaccines cause autism. Wakefield, a British physician, was stripped of his medical license for fabricating a connection between vaccines and autism. Till could not believe what was happening: “He is God to these people.” Millions of lives have been saved through vaccines, numerous scientific studies have debunked the myth that vaccines cause autism, and the only studies to show a link have been exposed as frauds. Yet anti-vaxxers were successfully spreading misinformation.

Schools and homes are where disease spreads. And in Vermont, Till says there are “pockets of unimmunized” posing a threat to their communities, especially in the “hot spots of anti-vaccination.” One such hot spot lies outside the capital, Montpelier. “These young parents were born in the vaccine era and have not seen devastating diseases,” he says. Till says these parents are “picking and choosing which vaccines they give to their children.” One of the vaccines these parents are most often choosing not to give their children is against polio.
 

tyler.durden

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^^ Good post, Heis. I've seen whooping cough in action with both my ex's kid and my own son, it is fucking scary. I hate to admit it, but I fell for that anti-vaccine propaganda about a decade ago. Luckily, my ex didn't give a fuck how I felt about (anything) that, and got our kid all of the normal vaccinations. When I started on my journey of thinking more critically, I searched out peer review for claims. The vaccine-causes-autism claims were destroyed instantly. I had more reason to believe that tripe than most, as my ex's boy happened to be autistic...
 

Beefbisquit

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^^ Good post, Heis. I've seen whooping cough in action with both my ex's kid and my own son, it is fucking scary. I hate to admit it, but I fell for that anti-vaccine propaganda about a decade ago. Luckily, my ex didn't give a fuck how I felt about (anything) that, and got our kid all of the normal vaccinations. When I started on my journey of thinking more critically, I searched out peer review for claims. The vaccine-causes-autism claims were destroyed instantly. I had more reason to believe that tripe than most, as my ex's boy happened to be autistic...

HAHAHAHA.... oh shit, man.... I almost fell outta my chair!
 

Padawanbater2

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http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/2nd-child-pa-couple-dies-praying-19020607#.UXbOTbXCZ8F

PA couple's 2 year old kid gets sick in 2009, they refuse to take it to a hospital and decide to pray for it instead, it dies of pneumonia, the couple gets put on 10 years probation. Now, their second kid, an 8 month old, became sick, instead of taking it to a hospital, they, again, decided to pray for it instead, it dies of diarrhea and complications of breathing.

Scumback fundie fucktards, they deserve life behind bars. Stop having kids you're too stupid to raise, son of a bitch this pisses me off.
 

tyler.durden

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^^ Yahweh would be proud of these two fools. Shit, he only asked Abraham to sacrifice ONE son. How can one's faith mean more than their new born children, that is beyond sick. ESPECIALLY AFTER LOSING YOUR FIRST BORN! These are the people Penn was speaking of at the end of this video -

[video=youtube;swkAGExZCII]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swkAGExZCII[/video]
 

Heisenberg

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http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/2nd-child-pa-couple-dies-praying-19020607#.UXbOTbXCZ8F

PA couple's 2 year old kid gets sick in 2009, they refuse to take it to a hospital and decide to pray for it instead, it dies of pneumonia, the couple gets put on 10 years probation. Now, their second kid, an 8 month old, became sick, instead of taking it to a hospital, they, again, decided to pray for it instead, it dies of diarrhea and complications of breathing.

Scumback fundie fucktards, they deserve life behind bars. Stop having kids you're too stupid to raise, son of a bitch this pisses me off.
Thanks Pad, sharing this with my FB group.
 
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