Is there anything that would have stopped Adam Lanza from the massacre?

st0wandgrow

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Paranoid? Have you ever read anything about the American revolution? Federalist papers, or the CONSTITUTION? I am not being paranoid, the reason we have the right to bear arms is simply because of the fact it is to keep government in line. The framers were not thinking about target shooting or hunting when they made up the second amendment they knew full well that a nation disarmed is a nation ruled by government instead of government ruled by the people. You think government gives a shit about you? Government is not a god, government is not benevolent , stop treating government as if it were.

NL is my strain, very Indica.

Look, I'm no fan of the stiffs in Washington, but to sit here in 2012 and draw parallels between what our founders felt was a threat and what is a realistic threat today is beyond absurd.

Are you prepping for the zombie apocalypse too?
 

NoDrama

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Look, I'm no fan of the stiffs in Washington, but to sit here in 2012 and draw parallels between what our founders felt was a threat and what is a realistic threat today is beyond absurd.

Are you prepping for the zombie apocalypse too?
So you are under the assumption that government is benevolent towards its citizens then and always will be for time eternal? What facts can you present to convince me other than mere speculation and opinion?

I mean I COULD tell you about the fact that in the USA we imprison more of our population than any other country BY FAR!
A country where wall street is the right hand partner of Washington, where big banks are allowed to steal with impunity and nary a wrist slap when caught?
A country that spends more on its military than the next 10 largest militaries COMBINED?
A country which has been in constant war for longer than at any other time in its history?


What you got to convince me that these facts are just coincidence and government is doing everything possible to protect my rights as intended by our founding documents?
 

st0wandgrow

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So you are under the assumption that government is benevolent towards its citizens then and always will be for time eternal? What facts can you present to convince me other than mere speculation and opinion?

I mean I COULD tell you about the fact that in the USA we imprison more of our population than any other country BY FAR!
A country where wall street is the right hand partner of Washington, where big banks are allowed to steal with impunity and nary a wrist slap when caught?
A country that spends more on its military than the next 10 largest militaries COMBINED?
A country which has been in constant war for longer than at any other time in its history?


What you got to convince me that these facts are just coincidence and government is doing everything possible to protect my rights as intended by our founding documents?
Everything you just listed is true.

So that means that our military (regular Americans like you and I) will turn on civilians and you will need a stock-pile of guns/ammo to fight the Army, Navy, Airforce, and Marines?

Quite a leap, don't you think?
 

Grandpapy

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Everything you just listed is true.

So that means that our military (regular Americans like you and I) will turn on civilians and you will need a stock-pile of guns/ammo to fight the Army, Navy, Airforce, and Marines?

Quite a leap, don't you think?
No, it happens in other places, as it has happened here in the past with the civil war. The perception of distance, is based on emotion in the eye of the gun owner.
 

NoDrama

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Everything you just listed is true.

So that means that our military (regular Americans like you and I) will turn on civilians and you will need a stock-pile of guns/ammo to fight the Army, Navy, Airforce, and Marines?

Quite a leap, don't you think?
More like UN troops would be used. As a former Marine I am very aware of what would happen if the chief of the executive told Marines to attack US Civilians. You see the Marines are a special force that can go to war at any time, any place without congressional approval. the Marines are the special forces of the president, one of the reasons they call Marines "The President's own." They are his own personal force with air, land, and sea capabilities and the ability to combine all three into a force of shock & awe. None of my brothers would EVER obey orders to attack american civilians on US soil. We all had those discussions and I can tell you that the Marine Corps just wouldn't do it.

If you want o hear the truth from one of the most decorated Marine Veterans who ever lived read his book. http://books.google.com/books/about/War_Is_a_Racket_Large_Print_16pt.html?id=sDR_6yqPtfkC

Try not to get too upset over the truth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket
 

Canna Sylvan

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Heh! You're paranoid.

Try an Indica.
Indica makes me very paranoid. I score very low on paranoia otherwise. My only problem besides bipolar, is slight antisocial thoughts. But my bipolar causes me to prattle. I used to have a lot more paranoia. I think psychologists confuse apathy for antisocial.

My poision of choice is a strain high in THC-V. I love the dissociation and total euphoria you get. I hate being stoned. Getting so high you get blissed is my thing. Smoking almost gets me there, but then I get bad nausia right before. I can only get there with edibles. Only problem is it takes about 2 hours, and you're unable to get real world stuff done for nearly 8 hours.
 

st0wandgrow

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More like UN troops would be used. As a former Marine I am very aware of what would happen if the chief of the executive told Marines to attack US Civilians. You see the Marines are a special force that can go to war at any time, any place without congressional approval. the Marines are the special forces of the president, one of the reasons they call Marines "The President's own." They are his own personal force with air, land, and sea capabilities and the ability to combine all three into a force of shock & awe. None of my brothers would EVER obey orders to attack american civilians on US soil. We all had those discussions and I can tell you that the Marine Corps just wouldn't do it.

If you want o hear the truth from one of the most decorated Marine Veterans who ever lived read his book. http://books.google.com/books/about/War_Is_a_Racket_Large_Print_16pt.html?id=sDR_6yqPtfkC

Try not to get too upset over the truth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket
So, you just made my point. The US government would be unsuccessful in turning it's troops against it's own civilians. So that stock pile of weapons/ammo is for what again?
 

NoDrama

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So, you just made my point. The US government would be unsuccessful in turning it's troops against it's own civilians. So that stock pile of weapons/ammo is for what again?
You might have a reading comprehension problem or what i don't know, but perhaps you should read my previous post over and over and over again because it answers all those questions.

What part of UN troops did you not understand? You were aware that UN troops would be foreign troops yes? So why do you ignore parts of posts and focus on other parts when it fits your agenda?
 

st0wandgrow

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You might have a reading comprehension problem or what i don't know, but perhaps you should read my previous post over and over and over again because it answers all those questions.
UN troops, eh? LOL!!

You better start stockpiling garlic too just in case the zombie vampires descend upon us!
 

Canna Sylvan

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Stow is the epitome of irony. He bitches that mommy should've known better about her son's mental illness. Yet he has some severe mental illness that he makes no sense and can't read the simple musings we make here on a stoner forum. The bar is real low too, just look at Chesus, Abandon and Buck.
 

NoDrama

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What "facts" have you laid out that would substantiate your claim that troops are going to land on American soil and start a war with it's civilians?
I never said they were going to, it would be stupid of them to try when we have 250 million guns just laying around for any toddler to shoot up the local constabulary.

Stop trying to make me out as some foil hat wearing, paranoid, conspiracy freak, it only shows you have little in the skill of debate and have to resort to sophistry.
 

NoDrama

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St0w? Are you going to teach your kids to drive like maniacs, cut people off, speed and pass on the right hand? Or are you going to show them proper respect for a 2 ton thing capable of massive deaths and injuries by showing them the proper and responsible way to drive?
 

st0wandgrow

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I never said they were going to, it would be stupid of them to try when we have 250 million guns just laying around for any toddler to shoot up the local constabulary.

Stop trying to make me out as some foil hat wearing, paranoid, conspiracy freak, it only shows you have little in the skill of debate and have to resort to sophistry.
I'm not *trying* to make you out as tin foil hat wearing nutter, you're doing that all by yourself.

Pretty sure this is a quote from you.....

"The right to have arms has nothing to do with hunting or protecting yourself from the occasional scofflaw. The reason the framers specifically singled out this particular right was so that you could defend hearth and home from the GOVERNMENT. I dunno bout you, but I know what kind of weapons the GOVERNMENT has , and they are much better than anything I have, but hey, why not nerf me even more so that we have even less of a chance."
 

NoDrama

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I'm not *trying* to make you out as tin foil hat wearing nutter, you're doing that all by yourself.

Pretty sure this is a quote from you.....

"The right to have arms has nothing to do with hunting or protecting yourself from the occasional scofflaw. The reason the framers specifically singled out this particular right was so that you could defend hearth and home from the GOVERNMENT. I dunno bout you, but I know what kind of weapons the GOVERNMENT has , and they are much better than anything I have, but hey, why not nerf me even more so that we have even less of a chance."
I can see logic and reason are beyond you, you have your opinions, they are shit, but you have them nonetheless.

Unsubscribed.
 

NoDrama

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I was quoting YOUR opinion ..........which I happen to agree is shit.
It isn't opinion on why we have a 2nd amendment, it is fact. We have it to defend ourselves from our attackers, whether it be a foreign army or our own government, that is why it is there.

Whether freedom of religion, free speech, free press, free association, the right to protest the government, or our other rights, the Second Amendment allows you to protect those freedoms for yourselves and your loved ones.


 
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