So how about banning all semi-automatic weapons?

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NoDrama

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canndo said:
You don't do anything, but your argument doesn't hold up. Just because someone CAN shoot rapidly with a revolver and that revolver CAN do more damage (to the individual), does not negate the argument. Why make it any easier to for a nut to take out a dozen people then necessary?
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Why not just strap some improvised explosive to your chest and take out half the occupants in the building? IF the intention is to kill as many as possible, there are no bounds to the feats of possibility when human will is focused and exerted in furtherance of a self imposed goal.
 
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NoDrama

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canndo said:
The only reason for not banning semi-automatics is that they are considered within the class of firearms that are legal to posess in the united states under the 2nd amendment. I believe that were they to be banned and those that are banned magicaly dissapear from gun closets and safes all over the country we would see a few fewer lives being taken in these sorts of shootings. but what i said is an accurate depiction of our country, those children died for our right to keep and bear, children will always die for our freedom as that is the way things are. fetuses die for our freedoms, Afghanistani children die for our freedoms and school children die for our freedoms, the sort of weapon used does not change that fact.

Banning semi-automatic weapons was just a thought and I wondered if there was an argument. That it is the "weapon of choice" for those who carry is sort of an odd argument seeing that it is also the weapon of choice for the average mass shooter of children.
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What freedoms are Afghan children trying to take from us?
 
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NoDrama

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canndo said:
That it is the "weapon of choice" for those who carry is sort of an odd argument seeing that it is also the weapon of choice for the average mass shooter of children.
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Quickly, name every school shooting and the weapons that were used. Prove by a preponderance of evidence that what you say is true, that semi autos are the weapon of choice for school shooters.
 
desert dude

desert dude

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canndo said:
The only reason for not banning semi-automatics is that they are considered within the class of firearms that are legal to posess in the united states under the 2nd amendment. I believe that were they to be banned and those that are banned magicaly dissapear from gun closets and safes all over the country we would see a few fewer lives being taken in these sorts of shootings. but what i said is an accurate depiction of our country, those children died for our right to keep and bear, children will always die for our freedom as that is the way things are. fetuses die for our freedoms, Afghanistani children die for our freedoms and school children die for our freedoms, the sort of weapon used does not change that fact.

Banning semi-automatic weapons was just a thought and I wondered if there was an argument. That it is the "weapon of choice" for those who carry is sort of an odd argument seeing that it is also the weapon of choice for the average mass shooter of children.
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You are only looking at one side of the coin. There are positive benefits to our society in the second amendment. A great many children are alive because of the second amendment as well.
 
canndo

canndo

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NoDrama said:
Why not just strap some improvised explosive to your chest and take out half the occupants in the building? IF the intention is to kill as many as possible, there are no bounds to the feats of possibility when human will is focused and exerted in furtherance of a self imposed goal.
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Now that is a good question - why not? why do we not see more explosives use in the U.S.? could it be that the improvised things are not that useful and that the professional ones are scarce because.... they are banned and controled?
 
canndo

canndo

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NoDrama said:
Quickly, name every school shooting and the weapons that were used. Prove by a preponderance of evidence that what you say is true, that semi autos are the weapon of choice for school shooters.
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I have recently read it, it seems that someone else checked and found that most of these shootings - not just the schools by the way but the malls were done with semi-automatics.
 
canndo

canndo

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desert dude said:
You are only looking at one side of the coin. There are positive benefits to our society in the second amendment. A great many children are alive because of the second amendment as well.
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That may be so although I can't recollect many children who are alive because of the 2nd. That changes nothing though. The fact is the same in any case, those children died as a direct result of our right to keep and bear.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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canndo said:
The only reason for not banning semi-automatics is that they are considered within the class of firearms that are legal to posess in the united states under the 2nd amendment. I believe that were they to be banned and those that are banned magicaly dissapear from gun closets and safes all over the country we would see a few fewer lives being taken in these sorts of shootings. but what i said is an accurate depiction of our country, those children died for our right to keep and bear, children will always die for our freedom as that is the way things are. fetuses die for our freedoms, Afghanistani children die for our freedoms and school children die for our freedoms, the sort of weapon used does not change that fact.

Banning semi-automatic weapons was just a thought and I wondered if there was an argument. That it is the "weapon of choice" for those who carry is sort of an odd argument seeing that it is also the weapon of choice for the average mass shooter of children.
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Lives saved? Probably. But I would also anticipate a surge in violent crimes. Britain and Australia largely banned guns (and both focused on semi-autos), and violent nongun crime is three to four times higher there than here. "Lives saved" is an incomplete metric, and said unqualified looks biased in light of the bigger picture (imo). cn
 
desert dude

desert dude

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canndo said:
That may be so although I can't recollect many children who are alive because of the 2nd. That changes nothing though. The fact is the same in any case, those children died as a direct result of our right to keep and bear.
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Guns are used about four million times per year in self defense. Some portion of those times saved the lives of the citizens involved. Parents still alive, children still alive, etc. More lives saved than lost, probably. The fact that you can't recollect them means nothing.
 
unohu69

unohu69

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Problem, Reaction, Solution.

ALL you anti gun fucks (ya. i called you a bunch of fuckheads) are being played. You are having exactly the reaction they want you to have. A firearm is a tool, it has no moral value to it.
I remember when i was a kid you guys got the high capacity handguns and mags banned. It did nothing to alleviate any shooting. people are the problem.

You think the government can protect you from life. Guns prevent crimes, proven fact. Its not my job to educate you, look it up, think for yourself.


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nitro harley

nitro harley

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NoDrama said:
What freedoms are the Taliban leaders taking away from us?
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Well for starters I can think of one that pisses me off......the freedom to get on a plane without getting your asshole checked......and your nut sack....and lets not forget the wife.....I won't say much about my wife..........Thats a pretty big loss to me....I could think of more but you get my point I am sure...........This was all because of people from that very region ...........nitro..
 
canndo

canndo

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desert dude said:
Guns are used about four million times per year in self defense. Some portion of those times saved the lives of the citizens involved. Parents still alive, children still alive, etc. More lives saved than lost, probably. The fact that you can't recollect them means nothing.
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Sorry Dude, you know that I rarely contest numbers but I do not believe that guns are used defensively every 13 seconds. I don't trust the methodology in the study and yes I am basing my distrust on anecdotal evidence.
 
kinddiesel

kinddiesel

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the solution to the problem im legal to carry a gun , but i cant carry it into a school or can a teacher. so a gun man come in traps u in the corner and are help less !!!!!!!! ok so if i w as allowed to carry into a school i could mabe shoot the bad guy
 
canndo

canndo

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unohu69 said:
Problem, Reaction, Solution.

ALL you anti gun fucks (ya. i called you a bunch of fuckheads) are being played. You are having exactly the reaction they want you to have. A firearm is a tool, it has no moral value to it.
I remember when i was a kid you guys got the high capacity handguns and mags banned. It did nothing to alleviate any shooting. people are the problem.

You think the government can protect you from life. Guns prevent crimes, proven fact. Its not my job to educate you, look it up, think for yourself.


DARE to say KNOW...
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Reactionary? Me? what is interesting to me is exactly how reactionary the pro gun folk are. If they catch the slightest whiff of question, of examination, of thought that runs in any way contrary to how they themselves believe, the questioner, the examiner, the thinker is labled an anti-gun fuck who is a dupe of the state.

So far as high capacity handguns alleviating shootings, that was not the point, I don't think any of us are capable of determining if an ongoing ban of semi-automatic handguns would slow any mass shooting
 
kinddiesel

kinddiesel

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thats the problem , how stupid the laws are, not one good person had a gun on them only the bad guy that pisses me off
 
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