Does CO2 cause global warming? Is it good to reduce CO2? Who the Frack cares!

[abandonconflict]

individual responsibility isnt the whole story and theres only so far the individual can go before life starts to look different to how it is now. im all for reducing where reducing can be done but you also need to look at the industry side the part that makes our society and that needs a constant supply of energy that cannot be met by renewables without a major overhaul of everything

you might think im trying to be supreme over everything and perhaps my discussion style is slightly abrasive but i'm not fresh to this argument and some years back i was against nuclear like you are now

you might be radical but you cannot see the wood for the trees atm

No I'm not.

You just can't see the forest from the trees.

 

[ginjawarrior]

No I'm not.

You just can't see the forest from the trees.

oh yeah i forgot you like nuclear dont see any problem with it but think a better solution is if everyone buys some solar panels and goes off grid... hmmm

 

[abandonconflict]

oh yeah i forgot you like nuclear dont see any problem with it but think a better solution is if everyone buys some solar panels and goes off grid... hmmm

See post #151.

 

[ginjawarrior]

See post #151.

oh yeah some windmills too

 

[abandonconflict]

oh yeah some windmills too

Not a bad idea, I would put one in my yard, are they expensive? I don't like paying monthly.

 

[ginjawarrior]

Not a bad idea, I would put one in my yard, are they expensive? I don't like paying monthly.

well you can get tiny little ones to fit in your yeard but due to the inverse square law they're highly inefficient, that tied in with their low height they're not that good except to give you a warm fuzzy feeling inside

well thats you sorted how about the 6999999999ish other people on this planet

 

[abandonconflict]

well you can get tiny little ones to fit in your yeard but due to the inverse square law they're highly inefficient, that tied in with their low height they're not that good except to give you a warm fuzzy feeling inside

well thats you sorted how about the 6999999999ish other people on this planet

If they like paying monthly to leave lights on, someone will sell them power, even if that someone has to do some fracking.

 

[ginjawarrior]

If they like paying monthly to leave lights on, someone will sell them power, even if that someone has to do some fracking.

TBH using natural gas to produce our energy is a much more sensible idea than your one of using fossil fuels to make PV panels and have every single person in the world off grid oh yeah i forgot those little windmills

 

[abandonconflict]

TBH using natural gas to produce our energy is a much more sensible idea than your one of using fossil fuels to make PV panels and have every single person in the world off grid oh yeah i forgot those little windmills

Actually I was suggesting grid tie to make meters run backwards and you were the one who suggested tiny windmills. Using fossil fuel to make solar panels is a better idea than using it to make insulation for hundreds of miles of cables so that people can pay energy companies a monthly bill.

 

[ginjawarrior]

Not a bad idea, I would put one in my yard, are they expensive? I don't like paying monthly.

Actually I was suggesting grid tie to make meters run backwards and you were the one who suggested tiny windmills. Using fossil fuel to make solar panels is a better idea than using it to make insulation for hundreds of miles of cables so that people can pay energy companies a monthly bill.

so your suggesting grid tie to make meters go backwards and that wouldnt involve the hundreds of miles of cables and insulation etc? wtf are you planning on tieing into?

 

[abandonconflict]

so your suggesting grid tie to make meters go backwards and that wouldnt involve the hundreds of miles of cables and insulation etc? wtf are you planning on tieing into?

I said it was a better use of fossil fuel, learn to read dumb ass.

Also, as far as "I would put one in my yard" how is that suggesting anything?

 

[ginjawarrior]

Actually I was suggesting grid tie to make meters run backwards and you were the one who suggested tiny windmills. Using fossil fuel to make solar panels is a better idea than using it to make insulation for hundreds of miles of cables so that people can pay energy companies a monthly bill.

I said it was a better use of fossil fuel, learn to read dumb ass.

Also, as far as "I would put one in my yard" how is that suggesting anything?

you would need to do both with you plan if you were planning on tying in i.e solar panels + the grid to tie into

and you havent been holding up your example of self sufficiency as an answer to the worlds problems?

 

[abandonconflict]

you would need to do both with you plan if you were planning on tying in i.e solar panels + the grid to tie into

and you havent been holding up your example of self sufficiency as an answer to the worlds problems?

The grid infrastructure is already there. You don't need to build any new grid infrastructure.

You clearly aren't aware of the world's problems if you did not know that the US is on a crusade hellbent on not allowing anyone but the EU, Israel and a couple other countries to have nuclear technology.

 

[ginjawarrior]

The grid infrastructure is already there. You don't need to build any new grid infrastructure.

You clearly aren't aware of the world's problems if you did not know that the US is on a crusade hellbent on not allowing anyone but the EU, Israel and a couple other countries to have nuclear technology.

then why did you bring up the suggestion of insulated cable in the first place???

as to america not allowing people to get nukes is that along the same line of thought that the CIA are the ZETAS?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_by_country#List_of_nuclear_reactors_by_country
[h=2]List of nuclear reactors by country[/h] Only the commercial reactors registered with the International Atomic Energy Agency are listed below. If a country does not appear in this table, it means it has no nuclear power plants and no current plans to build them. Research reactors are not included in the list.

Country	Operating	Under construction	Planned	References and notes
Algeria	0	0	1~	Algeria plans to open its first nuclear reactor in 2020, with new power plants being built every five years.[SUP][12][/SUP]
Argentina	2	1	1
Armenia	1	0	1	Replacement[SUP][13][/SUP]
Bangladesh	0	0	2	[SUP][14][/SUP]
Belarus	0	0	2
Belgium	7	0	0
Brazil	2	1	0	[SUP][15][/SUP]
Bulgaria	2	0	1[SUP][16][/SUP]	Four reactors were shut down in 2004 and 2007. Belene Nuclear Power Plant construction was officially terminated in March 2012.[SUP][17][/SUP]
Canada	17	3	2
China	15	25	51	70 GWe by 2020(~5%)[SUP][18][/SUP]
Croatia	1	0	0	The reactor is in Slovenia, but 50% is owned by Croatia
Czech Republic	6	0	2
Egypt	0	0	1	As of 2012, after years of stop-start efforts, Egypt’s nuclear-energy ambitions are once again in flux. The El Dabaa plant has been targeted by protesters and as a result the site has been shut down.[SUP][19][/SUP]
Finland	4	1	0	As of 2012, TVO is planning new reactor to be build and operational by 2020.[SUP][20][/SUP]
France	58	1	1
Germany	9	0	0	Phase-out in place.
Hungary	4	0	0
India	20	7	18
Indonesia	0	0	2
Iran	1	0	2	The first reactor of Bushehr Plant has power generation capacity of 915 MW[SUP][21][/SUP]
Japan	0 (55)*	0 (3)*	0 (10)*	As of 2012 Japan turned off all of the nuclear reactors(no electric produced, reactors slowly going to no work mode). Remaining reactors probably won't be turned on, because of the revisions after Fukushima fault. Japan is also planning to phase-out nuclear power by 2030's.[SUP][22][/SUP][SUP][23][/SUP] However Japan announced that the construction of seven new reactors would not be halted, giving doubts if Japan's plan will push through although exemptions may allow these reactors to operate beyond 2040.[SUP][24][/SUP]
Kenya	0	0	1	[SUP][25][/SUP]
Kazakhstan	0	0	2	[SUP][26][/SUP][SUP][27][/SUP][SUP][28][/SUP]
Lithuania	0	0	1	Visaginas Nuclear Power Plant Project[SUP][29][/SUP]
Malaysia	0	0	2	[SUP][30][/SUP]
Mexico	2	0	0
Netherlands	1	0	0
Niger	0	0	1	[SUP][31][/SUP][SUP][32][/SUP]
Nigeria	0	0	1	[SUP][33][/SUP]
Qatar	0	0	0	Qatar is planning its nuclear power program which was so far deemed economically viable by a feasibility study.[SUP][34][/SUP]
Pakistan	3	2	0
Poland	0	0	6
Romania	2	0	2
Russia	33	10	17
Saudi Arabia	0	0	16	Saudi plans to build up to 16 reactors by 2030.[SUP][35][/SUP]
Serbia	0	0	1
Slovakia	4	2	0
Slovenia	1	0	0
South Africa	2	0	6	[SUP][36][/SUP][SUP][37][/SUP]
South Korea	23	4	5
Spain	8	0	0	Stable[SUP][38][/SUP]
Sri Lanka	0	0	1
Sweden	10	0	0
Switzerland	5	0	0	Phase-out in place.[SUP][39][/SUP]
Sudan	0	0	4	[SUP][40][/SUP]
Taiwan (ROC)	6	2	1
Thailand	0	0	0	As of 2012, the Thai Energy Ministry was drafting a plan that could see a nuclear facility go into operation in 2026.[SUP][41][/SUP]
Turkey	0	0	4	To be built by Japan, Russia and South-Korea[SUP][42][/SUP][SUP][43][/SUP][SUP][44][/SUP]
Ukraine	15	0	2	2 new reactors by 2030[SUP][45][/SUP][SUP][46][/SUP]
United Arab Emirates	0	1	3	To be built by 2017 by S. Korean consortium?[SUP][47][/SUP]
United Kingdom	16	0	4
United States	104	1	11
Vietnam	0	0	4
World	433	65	158

 

[abandonconflict]

cool graph bro, is that all the countries in the world?

 

[abandonconflict]

 

[ginjawarrior]

cool graph bro, is that all the countries in the world?

i didnt think it had to be...

lets see you evidence that the usa is stopping everyone having nuclear

 

[abandonconflict]

i didnt think it had to be...

lets see you evidence that the usa is stopping everyone having nuclear

Did I say everyone? I said they are hellbent on only allowing select few, in some cases they start wars, in some cases they only oppose it in UN resolutions. You seem to love turning vague statements into absolutes. I don't mind making vague statements.

 

[ginjawarrior]

Did I say everyone? I said they are hellbent on only allowing select few, in some cases they start wars, in some cases they only oppose it in UN resolutions. You seem to love turning vague statements into absolutes. I don't mind making vague statements.

"US is on a crusade hellbent on not allowing anyone but the EU, Israel and a couple other countries to have nuclear technology."
i wonder what niger, nigeria and kazakhstan did to get on the good list

you dont mind making statement such vague statements that you feel they dont need backing up?

apart from iran which countries is the usa hellbent on stopping?

 

[abandonconflict]

"US is on a crusade hellbent on not allowing anyone but the EU, Israel and a couple other countries to have nuclear technology."
i wonder what niger, nigeria and kazakhstan did to get on the good list

you dont mind making statement such vague statements that you feel they dont need backing up?

apart from iran which countries is the usa hellbent on stopping?

North Korea, we did go to war with Iraq over WMD according to some people, if not WMD than energy (oil), which is related. Libya and Syria haven't yet had the chance, but with our puppets in power, they might not have too many problems. The US is certainly pushing a nonproliferation agenda.

Then there is New Zealand. No nuclear technology whatsoever, and yet so green...odd.

Anyway, it doesn't really matter, this whole thing has been because you perceived that I challenged your supremacy and ultimate correctness and therefore devoted two pages to vanquishing my uncouth disrespect of the idea that Nuclear power is the only good solution to a problem we agree exists.

Cool though, totally over shadow any responsibility that society has for buying so much energy from people who have no scruples about destroying the environment.