budlover13
King Tut
Again, instead of focusing on the tool someone uses, why not focus on the reason they are using it?
Over 26 dead in school shooting
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Again, instead of focusing on the tool someone uses, why not focus on the reason they are using it?
UncleBuck
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budlover13
King Tut
And the use of effectively stopping an attack on my or my family's life is a justified reason to kill.
budlover13
King Tut
Btw, i KNOW you know about psychology.
Deterrent much?
Deterrent much?
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
i replaced a light bulb the other day with a glock. every time i flip the switch to turn on the light, it shoots. works about the same as a light bulb otherwise though, minus the light.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
The thing to keep in mind is that in the USA, "control" has become a code word for "ban, confiscate, remove from civilian hands". cn
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Actually, they make wonderful framing hammers for those with bad legs but great aim. cn
fb360
Active Member
If you can suggest a 100% effective way/means of doing so without infringing upon the rights guaranteed by our constitution, please do so.
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
why does it have to be 100%? anything would help with respect to preventing or mitigating these types of tragedies.
NLXSK1
Well-Known Member
This explains alot...
budlover13
King Tut
From another angle, can i have some?
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Does that include a national education program in how to use them wisely?
Cannabis smokers have a lot of difficulty being seen as legitimate by "average America".
Let's not do the same to gun owners/users. Demonizing the gun is awesomely illiberal. Jmo. cn
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
if people just kept their guns locked away safely when not using them, our mall shooter would have been SOL and yesterday's emo punk might have been too.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I can't argue against that. In CA that is already the law, with the parent held liable should a kid get the gun. That's a bit overboard by my standards but still better than no such reg. cn
Clonex
Well-Known Member
Guns are not needed in public society.
Ppl can't be trusted to lock them and ammunition away properly
, events of this week being a prime example
There is always one idiot or a domestic that gets out of hand.
Guns +ammunition in a public place + emotional humans = grimmess.
Ppl can't be trusted to lock them and ammunition away properly
, events of this week being a prime example
There is always one idiot or a domestic that gets out of hand.
Guns +ammunition in a public place + emotional humans = grimmess.
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
overboard? that is my minimum standard of care with a "tool" meant solely for killing.
the term "gun control" makes your crowd (not you, necessarily) shit their pants and think of nazi germany. so i will start asking for "gun safety" instead.
have your (killing) "tools". but use them uber-safely, please.
stellar critique delivered. ub.
MuyLocoNC
Well-Known Member
I haven't weighed in on this thread because I really don't see this as a "gun control" issue. The guns were legally purchased by a woman with all her mental faculties. How the guns were stored in her home is up for debate. However, since her son was willing to kill her, I'm not sure there was a viable security option that he couldn't have gotten around, short of a safe. Even that could have been accessed under threat of death.
I've been using firearms since I was 5 years old and while I have been trained by the US Army to use weapons for killing, I've never had occasion to do so. That's 39 years of using guns without killing and not one day has gone by in those years that I didn't have immediate access to a firearm. If firearms are only "killing tools", I and vast numbers of people like me, didn't get the memo and have been using them incorrectly for decades.
The function of a firearm is to hurl a projectile at a high rate of speed, accurately, at an intended target. What target is aimed at, is the sole responsibility of the person who wields it.
I do agree with your "gun safety" plea. I would support mandatory gun safety training for all first time purchasers. I see chuckleheads that have NEVER held a firearm in their lives in the gun shops buying every kind of gun imaginable. They have no clue how to handle or store these very dangerous items.
desert dude
Well-Known Member
You guys also don't have a constitution that guarantees the right to keep and bear arms. The reason America has that constitutional guarantee is because of our experience with the British.
What the British have is an over arching, oppressive nanny state. American liberals drool with envy over your CONTROLS but, personally, I will pass.
Remember the Cumbria massacre? How about the Hungerford massacre? How about the Dunblane massacre?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumbria_shootings
"The Cumbria shootings was a killing spree that occurred on 2 June 2010 when a lone gunman, Derrick Bird, killed 12 people and injured 11 others before killing himself in Cumbria, England. Along with the 1987 Hungerford massacre and the 1996 Dunblane massacre, it is one of the worst criminal acts involving firearms in British history."
desert dude
Well-Known Member
Nah, the ATF's main duty is to act as a purveyor of fine arms for the Mexican drug cartels.
desert dude
Well-Known Member
Not true, of course. I own several hand guns. I shoot for fun, it is a fine hobby. I also own several shotguns, which I use to shoot trap and skeet; loads of fun. They are also useful as a criminal deterrent. Mao Tse Dung also used them for political purposes.