I honestly believed.

[Trolling]

I see, it's just the main chemical in all psychedelics, do you just eat it or smoke or doesn't really matter?


Still tho, how strong is it and is it similar to shrooms?

 

[cannabineer]

Sound more familiar, I know I've heard of the definition of what that does but if I don't keep on a subject, I can easily forget anything about it lol.

Mescaline (3,4,5-trimethoxy-ß-phenethylamine) is the active in peyote. It is a strong, long-acting psychedelic. It, DMT and psilocin (4-hydroxyDMT) are the trinity of natural psychedelics. LSD belongs in the first tier as well but is a synthetic. cn

<add> You eat it. You can't smoke a sufficient dose without frying your lungs. The taste is reported to separate the men from the boys of all sexes.

 

[Krondizzel]

Tried Mescaline 1 time and that was the last time I needed to do psychedelics. I really shouldn't have been out driving a newspaper route in the middle of the night. Good times.

 

[abandonconflict]

everybody is lying about hallucinogenics and twisting your words, and being mean to your favorite ill formed ideologies.

the tears which stain your pillow are the penance you suffer for being the infallible master of semantic gymnastics and self delusion.

your tragic heroics in defense of the fictional liberties found in the magical wonderland of socialist delusion will surely secure your place in the pantheon of great marxist thinkers.

your sacrifice is not in vain. the revolution will progress. even if the vanguard falls, others will take up your blood soaked banner and hurl themselves at the barricades.

cue the violins, its time to rest, mighty hero of the proletariat.

Please, tell me more about Marx since you love talking about him so much.

 

[abandonconflict]

http://www.ibogaworld.com/shop/

 

[Trolling]

Wtf are those for?

 

[abandonconflict]

for people who appreciate entheogenic plants

 

[Trolling]

Nevermind then lol, not my league.

 

[cannabineer]

N.b. ibogaine is Schedule 1 in the States. Shhhhhh. cn

 

[abandonconflict]

N.b. ibogaine is Schedule 1 in the States. Shhhhhh. cn

Legal down here.

 

[Harrekin]

Legal down here.

So are women with mustaches like Tom Selleck.

Doesnt make it right.

 

[deprave]

Going from "no government" (the casual, slipshod half-attention of the nominal governing country) to "a government" isn't revolution. The "revolutionaries" were insurrectionists who adopted a more noble term for themselves upon securing the Crown's official shrug of exasperation. cn

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution

"A revolution (from the Latin revolutio, "a turn around") is a fundamental change in power or organizational structures that takes place in a relatively short period of time"

 

[Dr Kynes]

Dissenting opinion. "I think that is incorrect" is so much less aggressive than "you are a liar". You are overstating this one.

when was the last time you said "i dont believe you" when you meant "i think you are wrong""?

As for the rest of it, your analogy with Holy Rollers strikes me as forced. Jmo. cn

when was the last time you told someone with whom you disagreed, that the reason they dont agree is because they are afraid of even contemplating how correct your opinion is, or "oneness" or "harmony"?

when was the last time you told someone the reason they didnt enjoy something as much as you do is that they deserve to not enjoy it as much as you do, and all they have to do is change EVERYTHING about themselves, and then they too could have the same fulfilling experiences with <insert gris gris here> as you do?

bandwagon fallacies, and exhortations to join the cool kids behind the gym with a fistfull of salvia for a "shamanistic experience" are exactly the same entreaties used by religions to lure the faithful into their web of lies, frankincense and myrrh.

 

[abandonconflict]

when was the last time you told someone with whom you disagreed, that the reason they dont agree is because they are afraid of even contemplating how correct your opinion is, or "oneness" or "harmony"?

when was the last time you told someone the reason they didnt enjoy something as much as you do is that they deserve to not enjoy it as much as you do, and all they have to do is change EVERYTHING about themselves, and then they too could have the same fulfilling experiences with <insert gris gris here> as you do?

bandwagon fallacies, and exhortations to join the cool kids behind the gym with a fistfull of salvia for a "shamanistic experience" are exactly the same entreaties used by religions to lure the faithful into their web of lies, frankincense and myrrh.

Did I imply he didn't deserve to enjoy it? Seemed to me that I implied that he is resistant to the natural effects, which are very common and reported by a very large portion of the people who report on the use of psychedelics. You totally changed what I said in order to explicate it in a way that in no way resembled what I said. You follow me around all these threads doing this, because you're a troll. What is your problem dude? Seriously, are you butt hurt about something?

 

[cannabineer]

when was the last time you told someone with whom you disagreed, that the reason they dont agree is because they are afraid of even contemplating how correct your opinion is, or "oneness" or "harmony"?

when was the last time you told someone the reason they didnt enjoy something as much as you do is that they deserve to not enjoy it as much as you do, and all they have to do is change EVERYTHING about themselves, and then they too could have the same fulfilling experiences with <insert gris gris here> as you do?

bandwagon fallacies, and exhortations to join the cool kids behind the gym with a fistfull of salvia for a "shamanistic experience" are exactly the same entreaties used by religions to lure the faithful into their web of lies, frankincense and myrrh.

As for the red: I have done this. It's all about tone. "I don't believe you" is a sloppy form of "I don't believe what you're saying" in my experience ... the worse thing, the ascription of deceitfulness is better covered by "I don't trust you".

As for the rest of it, I don't evangelize much about anything, and I would consider it silly to suggest that differential response to entheogens is somehow a moral or spiritual defect or deficit. I'll have to reinspect abandon's post that started all this now, because at this remove I do not recall it necessarily implying what you're accusing. cn

 

[cannabineer]

Why even believe in the USA anymore?!?!?!? We aint shit

Isn't that better though than "we are shit"? cn

 

[abandonconflict]

• I don't believe you. The most common effect of all psychedelics is oneness and harmony with nature and other people and you seem fearful of even thinking of oneness and harmony and would therefore have "bad trips".​
  
  

• you told harrekin that he just wasnt shamanistic enough to experience the "Holy Spirit" of LSD
  
  
  
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Clearly.......

I didn't mention shamanism, LSD or Holy spirit in what I said to Harrekin. Learn to read bro.

The two bold, the first is what I said, the second is how Kynes rewrote it.

 

[Harrekin]

I don't believe you. The most common effect of all psychedelics is oneness and harmony with nature and other people and you seem fearful of even thinking of oneness and harmony and would therefore have "bad trips".

That's total bullshit, it effects the visual cortex and perception areas of the brain.

"Spiritual experience" is just fancy talk for an awesome trip.

 

[abandonconflict]

That's total bullshit, it effects the visual cortex and perception areas of the brain.

"Spiritual experience" is just fancy talk for an awesome trip.

I agree about spiritual experience being fancy talk, that is just a way of describing what is very common. If LSD is the only one you have experience with, maybe the "oneness and harmony with nature and other people" thing doesn't apply, but I'm not only speaking from experience about it when I say it is one of the more common effects of psychedelics. Studies have been done where people have been administered doses and questioned about the experiences. I personally have much more experience with psilocybin than with LSD and no experience with MDMA.

If you were only speaking of LSD than I was out of place to impugn your integrity and I apologize.

 

[Harrekin]

I agree about spiritual experience being fancy talk, that is just a way of describing what is very common. If LSD is the only one you have experience with, maybe the "oneness and harmony with nature and other people" thing doesn't apply, but I'm not only speaking from experience about it when I say it is one of the more common effects of psychedelics. Studies have been done where people have been administered doses and questioned about the experiences. I personally have much more experience with psilocybin than with LSD and no experience with MDMA.

If you were only speaking of LSD than I was out of place to impugn your integrity and I apologize.

Iv extensive experience with shrooms (they grow EVERYWHERE here in Sept/Oct), a bit of LSD, shitloads of salvia (it was the closest to a "spiritual experience" I got) and I used to eat pills like they were skittles (started actually liking that "hairspray" taste after a while).

Iv tripped balls bro, don't doubt that, I just enjoy it as an experience and don't take too much from it (realistically you don't even know what's reality or not).