ryan1918
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Don't live in an apartment thanks.
Looking to get a COOP grow going.
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Dr. Bob
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Actually, I did note the family relationship in my post, but they have to be in separate rooms rather than co-mingled. The reason they cannot be co-mingled is if you have access to them, you have possession of them.
As for the other comment, about the 100 plants, you fail to recall that it is still a violation of federal law, and the feds are VERY interested in large grows. There have been arguments that any number of plants can be grown, so long as the cards justify them. Consider 25 friends that get together and buy a pole barn. They build 50 little rooms (a veg and a flower room for each) and merrily plant 1800 plants. Would you really want to be a part of that when the feds spot the grow from space??? You think the MMMA will help you? Where does it stop- 10 caregivers with 720 plants? How about 5 with 360? How about TWO with 144?
I'll grant you there is a point you can raise from your cell that you had enough cards to justify 500 plants and all these folks were your assistance or you were their 'budmaster' tending their grows. If you have the money, the time, and the legal team to do it, well I can't wait to see what will happen, but by all means you be the one taking the risk to find out, not me, not those that listen to me.
I prefer making recommendations that clearly keep those I am responsible for (my patients) safe, and on occasion raising some good points that might get them out of a jam. An example is that I ALWAYS recommend folks stay under 2.5 oz because that is presumed medical use under the law and not subjected to review. But if I have a patient caught with 3 oz, I can always point out the FEDERAL authorities issue each of their marijuana patients 8.3 oz a month, so 2.5 to 8.3 oz is well within the range of medical use. But I would NEVER recommend anyone walk around with 8 oz, and depend on the argument I could raise at their trial.
1 patient, 12 plants, 2.5 oz. 1 caregiver, self and 5 patients max. Accept compensation ONLY from those patients to whom you are registry connected, if you must transfer outside the registry do so without any direct or indirect compensation (questionably legal but better than transferring and charging- at least in the eyes of the jury).
I am conservative and safe. There are others willing to push things. Both have their place in the community and it is up to the individual to decide their course- they are the ones taking the risk.
Dr. Bob
Dr. Bob
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One side note, the 99 plant limit has to do with one address. Having a pole barn with 10 caregivers is not the same as having a trailer park or apartment building with 10 individual caregivers at different addresses growing a total of 720 plants. But rest assured if you are in an apartment complex that 'caters' to many caregivers you will be watched with great interest.
Don't concentrate- spread out. Don't attract attention. Don't push the Act.
Take that as you wish, I don't have the only answer, just a well thought out one with safety and clear compliance as a goal.
Dr. Bob
Don't concentrate- spread out. Don't attract attention. Don't push the Act.
Take that as you wish, I don't have the only answer, just a well thought out one with safety and clear compliance as a goal.
Dr. Bob
stumpjumper
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Ryan I've only seen one person here say anything nice about you and he was just being nice. You can forget the co-op lol.
Noobthumb87
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fuck jerry springer i got rollitup.com
Uncle Pirate
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Ya, too bad Ryan's a douche that acts like a 15 year old. We live in the same city, and I'm a nice guy. He could have had a friend.
HomeLessBeans
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Hey I was nice! For me anyway.. To bad ry ry could not answer my questions.
TheMan13
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It's rollitup.ORG bro
Dr. Bob
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I don't believe so, but the COA has and until the supreme court says otherwise, that is the law of the land. They said no collectives.
Recall that laws are what the courts say they are, not what we say they are or think they are. They set the standard to which we are judged, they determine what undefined phrases mean (like enclosed and secured or bona fide relationship). There are also well known legal terms that have definitions already.
An example of the later- Legal possession is based on ownership. The diner 'legally possesses' the silverware. Constructive possession means you don't own it, but have exclusive use of it- you don't own the silverware that comes with your meal, but you are the only one allowed to use it until you turn it back in to be washed. Another example that comes to mind is sitting in your car on the side of the road dead drunk. Even if the car is not running, if you have access to the keys, you can be charged with drunk driving. Open container laws are yet another example, even if the cop doesn't see you take a drink, you have access to it and can.
These all come in to play when dealing with grows, how they are set up and who has access to them. Read the case, and look at the arguments before the SC, you can find it on my website.
Dr. Bob
HomeLessBeans
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All true. But his personality is what keeps someone like me from workin with him. My business is growing, Growers. The more quality Growers we hav the more likely we are to win this war. Some people are destined to just be cannon fodder running around between the trenches.
abe supercro
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Ryan asks too many naive questions... I nearly smell bacon.
Dr. Bob
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Both excellent points and indicate a short trip the the ignore button. We put out the information to protect those reading the subject, he can go do what he wants and accept the result. Darwin rules.
Warn people about what he is putting out, but leave attacks on the individual out of it. Those personal attacks are only for those that can't use logic, facts, or have an agenda...we can present good information so we don't need to resort to those tactics.
Dr. Bob
Warn people about what he is putting out, but leave attacks on the individual out of it. Those personal attacks are only for those that can't use logic, facts, or have an agenda...we can present good information so we don't need to resort to those tactics.
Dr. Bob
HomeLessBeans
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Where is the sport in that? My only hobbies are stage4 cancer patients, overgrowing thru the project, and krunchies.
A guy just has to have fun
A guy just has to have fun
Dr. Bob
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Lol, can't argue with that....Where is the sport in that? My only hobbies are stage4 cancer patients, overgrowing thru the project, and krunchies.
A guy just has to have fun
Dr. Bob
Murfy
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imo-
instead of the bullshit proposals going now, we should legislate for coops. prove you're not a dirt ball teenage punk violent felon and coop it the fuck up. why not?
plenty of good folks could have a real good old fashioned time gettin together and growing like that. it'd be the punks what ruined it. with their cunting teething cries, and tomfoolery.
lol.
instead of the bullshit proposals going now, we should legislate for coops. prove you're not a dirt ball teenage punk violent felon and coop it the fuck up. why not?
plenty of good folks could have a real good old fashioned time gettin together and growing like that. it'd be the punks what ruined it. with their cunting teething cries, and tomfoolery.
lol.
Dr. Bob
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I totally agree with you and support the farmers market model, however we need to get it legislated to remove the risk to the farmers and patients. I think far too much time is being spent in the legislature trying to find ways to facilitate prosecution of patients/caregivers and not enough protecting them. Patients and caregivers deserve to be able to work jobs, live in apartments, and NOT keep secrets from their primary doctors. We need laws to promote this, not tired speeches about how the voters were 'fooled' (3 times, really....) by a bunch of aging stoners.
Dr. Bob
abe supercro
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thing about coop grows, with the possible numbers implied at one addy things could go sour for Joe caregiver in a heartbeat. those large numbers would promote a grey area for "corporation-types", and a black market, to move into manufacturing mode. It's one of the final steps before Wally-weed floods the market and pushes away mom and pop. that doesn't sound too fun, even with as much as I'd like to run a giant greenhouse.