ChesusRice
Well-Known Member
Deflecting nothing
Two wrongs dont make a right
Didn't your parents teach you that?
Israeli bombing of Hamas leader. Rub it in their face why don't you... VIDEO
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Two wrongs dont make a right
Didn't your parents teach you that?
abandonconflict
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This ingenious maneuver to ignore suffering is what is wrong more than anything. I didn't learn about suffering from my parents, I learned it as an occupier of Iraq.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
It's a bad situation. One box, two cats. This will be decided on the field of Arm-a-kitten. cn
abandonconflict
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It is sad to watch for those of us who care.
FOUR20 SWG
Active Member
Doesn't seem like he's ignoring anything.
He's acknowledging that there are people dying on both sides of this, guilt to be had all around. Something you try to avoid or trivialize.
There are Israelis who disagree with their government's handling of this. Just as there were Americans (myself included) who felt at odds with the doctrine of the Bush administration. Should they be viewed in the same way? Not an attack, just a thought.
It's a sad situation all around.
abandonconflict
Well-Known Member
He isn't doing anything wrong, he is expressing the most common view. He is doing exactly what so many others have done.
Meanwhile the body count rises.
Meanwhile some Palestinian friends of mine say things like "The world is ignoring this".
Meanwhile America is the only nation on earth where public opinion isn't a near consensus that Israel is the most dangerous threat to peace and a rogue state.
Meanwhile nothing changes.
Meanwhile every person says "I'm one person, what can one person do?".
I'm not saying this is Chesus' fault, and I'm not even saying I'm angry at him. Or you for that matter, but make no mistake, I'm angry and I want more people to be angry.
FOUR20 SWG
Active Member
What do you want to hear?
Everyone on here agrees with you that Palestine is getting fucked over.
Israel's foreign policy is out of step with a progressive global agenda and needs serious adjustment.
But you can't ignore that some of the tactics Hamas and other groups they ally with are nasty too.
That's all, because other then that I indentify myself as firmly anti-zionist.
I just don't think the Israeli people should be condemned for the actions of their government.
abandonconflict
Well-Known Member
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Non sequitur imo. Do you or I stand behind all of what our Federal Government is doing? Imo this is a situation without innocents except the random civilian victims on both sides. cn
abandonconflict
Well-Known Member
My reply was abstract.
His statement actually follows from mine because the "Israel is defending itself" (synonymous with "there are no bad guys") line is designed to make people not care. That is what people want, to not be burdened by this suffering. Therefore indeed my reply to his statement is non sequitur. Instead, I was employing an unconventional tactic to induce concern. I didn't think it would work anyway since he already cares somewhat. It certainly won't work on a left brain thinker like 'neer. Somebody somewhere may come to care.
My primary aim is simply to make people care.
FOUR20 SWG
Active Member
Your primary aim is obviously to prove that you are "the most sympathetic" because I've literally told you like 12 times that I agree with you about the situation in Palestine being terrible but that there are also innocent deaths in Israel that can't just be swept under the rug because they don't fit your little diatribe.
I also have said quite a few times that I do not believe Israel is trying to defend itself. Please stop trying to twist my words in an attempt to bolster your point.
Killing innocent civilians isn't acceptable when the IDF does it, so why should I extend the privilege to Hamas?
abandonconflict
Well-Known Member
I can see what you mean about me wanting to make a show of being the most caring.
I never said any privilege should be extended to Hamas as evidenced by my admission I think like 10 times now that indeed, Hamas is the bad guy too.
How many times will you ask me to admit this? Seriously.
I can't say anything against Israel in this thread with out being reminded of this.
FOUR20 SWG
Active Member
It's not that you can't espouse an opinion. It's just you can't get defensive when you're asked to expand upon it, and you can't blatantly ignore people when they try to articulate there's.
That's all.
Happy Thanksgiving.
abandonconflict
Well-Known Member
I'm an ass hole.
ChesusRice
Well-Known Member
up until 2 days ago you weren't
abandonconflict
Well-Known Member
You didn't expect me to turn on Obama? I'm surprised.
Dr Kynes
Well-Known Member
SEEMS theocratic?? SEEMS!??!
and yeah 25000 jews. kept as dhimmis. down from over 700,000 before the "glorious islamic revolution" when every jew who copuld, fled to israel, the US, and wherever else they could get to. they had been victims of pogroms before, and they knew hopw the wind was blowing so they packed up their shit and bailed.
also, the "tehran alone" comment is specious and implies there are more than ONE jewish enclaves in iran.
the iranians boast about their "generosity" with their jewish dhimmis, and proidly proclaim that they have TWO jewish butcher shops and THREE hebrew schools (which are run by, and staffed with moslems, and most of the curriculum is delivered in farsi, not hebrew)
and kim jong il can show the western press the super awesome department store full of incredible consumer goods that the people of north korea can enjoy...
[video=youtube;PpINYFvrbw4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpINYFvrbw4[/video]
brace yourself for schmaltz.
further, khameni, the "ayatollah supreme" is curently cracking down on the baha'ia for their wicked and anti-islamic beliefs, like respect for differing faiths, and even atheism. those bastards!
you seem to love to pick a side, and then blindly declare them to be faultless and perfect even when their pimples, and herpes wounds are obvious to all.
iran, and in fact most of the islamic world's religious and political authorities are pox ridden whores, the israelis may not be perfect, but they are not evil, backwards and vicious. many arabs (christian and moslem too) live within israel, as full citizens with the vote, religious freedom, and economic liberty. the same can not be said of jews christians, coptics, hindus, or any non moslem is most moslem nations.
i encourage you to look into the history of india and pakistan's manumission from the british crown. there are many paralells.
in areas of india where moslems were the minority, many packed up and moved to pakistan, in areas of the land which became pakistan, where moslems were the majority, hindus chrisitans and buddhists fled in droves, were forced out, or simply killed.
the chaotic chinese fire drill in the partition of pakistan from india had violence on all sides, but the violence was EPIDEMIC in what is now pakistan, and merely sporadic in india. even today india has a large population of moslems and many mosques. pakistan has very few christians, and hindus. (pakistan is 95% moslem, the remaining 5% split between christians hindus, sufi, jains baha'ia, and many others, by comparison india is 13.7% moslem.)
the facts are plain, when moslems are in the majority in a nation, they nearly always institute a theocracy or a rigid theocratic monarchy, followed by oppression of non-molems, and everybody else flees. other peoples, societies and cultures do NOT generally impose similar restrictions on moslems. moslems live and worship in EVERY free nation on earth. only the socialist dictatorships and a few madcap non-moslem theocracies oppress moslems.
Turkey is the only moslem majority nation i can think of which is not an oppressive theocratic or autocratic dictatorship, and the only moslem nation i can think of where non-moslems are treated as well as moslems (lately). historically though, turkey was pretty much Iran Version 1.0, with awesome REAL genocides, which racked up a MUCH higher bodycount than 137 dead in a breif and violnet struggle to eliminate rocket batteries. the aremneians could tell you a thing or two about what genocide looks like when put into full swing. the ottoman turks were even more efficient than the germans in their extermination program.
Dr Kynes
Well-Known Member
i believe you mean the interpretation of my premise.
my actual premise is, israel has the right to defend itself, just as the US does.
when a guy plans to attack israel (or the US,, or in fact ANY nation) from the shadows, with un-uniformed, non-military, deniable sabotuers, assasins terrorists or spies, that nation has the right, and the OBLIGATION to defend themselves from this aggression.
when the guy in question lives in a foreign nation, diplomacy is the order of the day, but when he lives and works his evil in a lawless no-man's land where the nominal government is unable unwilling or incompetent to handle this shit themselves, or the douche in question is the boss of the local strongman warlord organization then extreme measures are not just warranted, but REQUIRED.
when any nation is faced with theo choice of THEIR people getting killed by the asshole in question, or taking "pre-emptive action" with in unavoidable consequence of some "breakage" among the presumably innocent populace which hides the douchebag, then the choice is pretty clear. hamas-Boss, osama bin laden, the hezzzbollah cheif bomb maker, american al quaeda recruiter and american alquaeda recruiter junior, as well as many others have come up snakeeyes in the high stakes game of violent insurgency, and islamic jihad. they placed their bets of their own volition, and came up losers. You rolls the dice and takes your chances. the only unfortunate thing is sometimes theres other cats who arent playing the game who get caught up in the blast. like for example...
THEIR TARGETS, WHEN THEY DON'T GET SMOKED BEFORE THEY ACT!
smok3y1
Active Member
Loool exactly every nation has a right to self defense so when Israel kills an unarmed child playing football and later bombs the people attending his funeral Hamas has every right to act in self defense using the only weapons they have which are shitty rockets that don't do fuck all since they have no tanks, planes or anything of value.
Harrekin
Well-Known Member
I don't know why both sides are so worked up over Hummus anyways...I thought Arabs and Israelis liked it?It's pretty simple stuff...
Roasted Garlic Hummus Recipe
By Saad Fayed, About.com Guide
I love roasted garlic hummus. I serve it to guests who have never had traditional hummus or to those who don't care for tahini in hummus. It has a rich garlic flavor that is not overwhelming - it's just right.
Prep Time: 10 minutes
Total Time: 10 minutes
Ingredients:1 can chickpeas/garbanzo beans (15 oz.)
2 tablespoons roasted garlic
1/2 tablespoon lemon juice1
tablespoon olive oil
1/2 teaspoon oregano
Preparation:
In a food processor, process beans, garlic, olive oil, lemon juice and oregano until desired consistency. If hummus is too thick, simply add olive oil in small increments (1/2 teaspoon) until desired consistency.
Serve roasted garlic hummus garnished with finely chopped parsley with hot pita bread, pita chips, or veggies. Roasted red pepper hummus goes very well with cubes of warm Italian bread.
Hummus can be prepared in advance up to two days if stored in airtight container in the refrigerator. To serve, heat in microwave or on stovetop.
Roasted Garlic Hummus Recipe
By Saad Fayed, About.com Guide
I love roasted garlic hummus. I serve it to guests who have never had traditional hummus or to those who don't care for tahini in hummus. It has a rich garlic flavor that is not overwhelming - it's just right.
Prep Time: 10 minutes
Total Time: 10 minutes
Ingredients:1 can chickpeas/garbanzo beans (15 oz.)
2 tablespoons roasted garlic
1/2 tablespoon lemon juice1
tablespoon olive oil
1/2 teaspoon oregano
Preparation:
In a food processor, process beans, garlic, olive oil, lemon juice and oregano until desired consistency. If hummus is too thick, simply add olive oil in small increments (1/2 teaspoon) until desired consistency.
Serve roasted garlic hummus garnished with finely chopped parsley with hot pita bread, pita chips, or veggies. Roasted red pepper hummus goes very well with cubes of warm Italian bread.
Hummus can be prepared in advance up to two days if stored in airtight container in the refrigerator. To serve, heat in microwave or on stovetop.