RIP Hostess

[FOUR20 SWG]

those 18,000 people had an option and they chose their own fate. why is that my responsibility? i feel "bad" for them, but i don't feel "sorry" for them. they stood up and lost and now they are crying. deal with it and move on. make better decisions next time. learn from your mistakes.

Executives closed the company.

Executives initiated the process by demanding cuts when they themselves wanted more $$.

And you damn well better believe it'll be Executives who make a killing off this move in the end. Guaranteed.

So how is this the Unions fault? For standing up for its members? For argueing that they would not be made into endentured servants?

You keep making it seem like these people have job opportunities lined up all over the place that they can just say "Fuck this job!" and go look someplace else. That's not realistic if you have to put food on the table. A strike is different because you are fighting to make the job you have fair, not trying to get your foot in the door someplace else.

I think you being a trained worker who doesn't really have to participate in the job market makes you a little out of touch with average people. Try going out there without a degree from a prestigious university and watch how far you make it up the ol' corporate ladder.

And no, not everyone fired was Union. They should be pissed. At the greedy assholes in the boardroom who think employee means slave.

 

[RyanTheRhino]

In July of 2011 we received a letter from the company. It said that the $3+ per hour that we as a Union contribute to the pension was going to be 'borrowed' by the company until they could be profitable again. Then they would pay it all back.

You mean the money your union demanded the company pay extra so you can feel like your contributing. Now they are stealing it even though you didn't really add the money out of your pocket.

 

[ChesusRice]

You mean we cant just set a portion of our earnings aside and save for retirement. I didn't know we where so helpless. viva la pensions

The hostess workers put their own money into a retirement plan
hostess brands borrowed it then had bankruptcy court rule they didnt have to pay it back
AND then the company stopped funding their portion of the retirement plan they were contractually obligated to do

So the workers got it in the ass and the company wanted them to take a 30% pay cut on top of that. At the same time giving themselves bonuses and raises

 

[fdd2blk]

Ill make almost 60k this year I'm non union but then again if we didnt have unions I wouldnt be making 60k in a non union shop

i was referring to whomever it was that made the statement you continue to post. a smart person would have understood. so only union workers can make 60k? i call BS.

 

[fdd2blk]

Executives closed the company. Executives initiated the process by demanding cuts when they themselves wanted more $$. And you damn well better believe it'll be Executives who make a killing off this move in the end. Guaranteed. So how is this the Unions fault? For standing up for its members? For argueing that they would not be made into endentured servants? You keep making it seem like these people have job opportunities lined up all over the place that they can just say "Fuck this job!" and go look someplace else. That's not realistic if you have to put food on the table. A strike is different because you are fighting to make the job you have fair, not trying to get your foot in the door someplace else. I think you being a trained worker who doesn't really have to participate in the job market makes you a little out of touch with average people. Try going out there without a degree from a prestigious university and watch how far you make it up the ol' corporate ladder. And no, not everyone fired was Union. They should be pissed. At the greedy assholes in the boardroom who think employee means slave.

yet again, where have i blamed the unions? so where will they all work now? are they all gonna shrivel up and die? all it takes is 1 other opportunity to move forward. you want me to believe this was the ONLY job ever? that's just silly. since when does it take a degree to make twinkies?

 

[ChesusRice]

yet again, where have i blamed the unions? so where will they all work now? are they all gonna shrivel up and die? all it takes is 1 other opportunity to move forward. you want me to believe this was the ONLY job ever? that's just silly. since when does it take a degree to make twinkies?

So do these workers ever get back the years of their lives they wasted thinking hostess brands would honor the promises they made to the workers?

 

[fdd2blk]

So do these workers ever get back the years of their lives they wasted thinking hostess brands would honor the promises they made to the workers?

no, they do not. deal with it.

 

[RyanTheRhino]

So do these workers ever get back the years of their lives they wasted thinking hostess brands would honor the promises they made to the workers?

well if the unions would have been happy with the small private pension and not been greedy, all the workers would still have a pension. A lot of people in my area lost their job because of this, i hear it first hand, not through MSNBC.

 

[FOUR20 SWG]

yet again, where have i blamed the unions? so where will they all work now? are they all gonna shrivel up and die? all it takes is 1 other opportunity to move forward. you want me to believe this was the ONLY job ever? that's just silly. since when does it take a degree to make twinkies?

You side with companies right to conduct themselves in that manner, you side against unions. Plain and simple.

I can't predict the future, but if you really think 18,000 being off work in a down economy is a good thing, then there is more wrong with you than we will be able to cover here. They might not "shrivel and die" but it'll definitely make for a pretty shitty holiday season.

It doesn't take a degree to make twinkees.

But it also doesn't take an economist to realize that these people are going to suffer at the hands of greedy Wall St. douchebags.

 

[FOUR20 SWG]

no, they do not. deal with it.

Spoken like a true prick.

 

[RyanTheRhino]

Spoken like a true prick.

Welcome to the real world.

 

[RyanTheRhino]

The hostess workers put their own money into a retirement planhostess brands borrowed it then had bankruptcy court rule they didnt have to pay it backAND then the company stopped funding their portion of the retirement plan they were contractually obligated to doSo the workers got it in the ass and the company wanted them to take a 30% pay cut on top of that. At the same time giving themselves bonuses and raises

I hear a 401k can be risky when you are driving the company into the ground.

 

[cannabineer]

You mean we cant just set a portion of our earnings aside and save for retirement. I didn't know we where so helpless. viva la pensions

Earnings aren't just salary. The bennies are an important part of the total package. If you're advocating that benefits be replaced by equal or greater salary after all applicable tax corrections (gross-ups is the term I've heard used) have been applied, then OK. cn

 

[RyanTheRhino]

Earnings aren't just salary. The bennies are an important part of the total package. If you're advocating that benefits be replaced by equal or greater salary after all applicable tax corrections (gross-ups is the term I've heard used) have been applied, then OK. cn

well I was referring to the fail of pensions, but that too.(even though benefits will never go away) Bankrupt Companies are throwing them out and the government is trying to catch the leaks with a full bucket

 

[fdd2blk]

You side with companies right to conduct themselves in that manner, you side against unions. Plain and simple. I can't predict the future, but if you really think 18,000 being off work in a down economy is a good thing, then there is more wrong with you than we will be able to cover here. They might not "shrivel and die" but it'll definitely make for a pretty shitty holiday season. It doesn't take a degree to make twinkees. But it also doesn't take an economist to realize that these people are going to suffer at the hands of greedy Wall St. douchebags.

i'm not "siding" with anyone. i just know how to accept the realities of life. yes, the BIG guys suck. so what are you going to do about it? other than bitch on a grow forum.

 

[fdd2blk]

Spoken like a true prick.

i'm a prick for accepting the truth? i never said i agreed with it.

 

[Trolling]

hostess is closed, and they were union. :-/ the union can't save everyone.

Ironicly, a Spanish man is going to save them...

 

[fdd2blk]

Ironicly, a Spanish man is going to save them...

that's racist!!

 

[ChesusRice]

i'm not "siding" with anyone. i just know how to accept the realities of life. yes, the BIG guys suck. so what are you going to do about it? other than bitch on a grow forum.

Well we certainly cannot try to demonize the workers who have decided they had enough of broken promises and exploitive practices of their employers
right?

 

[Trolling]

Hostess is dead. And her blood is on the hands of the Executives. The same people who expected raises while everyone else took paycuts.Who wanted to cut benefits when they were making 6-figs.That is where the blame lies. Not on the people who were making middle-class income and refused to make less for the same days' work.

Nah, it's not.