Advanced nutrients question

[jedijoey323]

I feel you on that my point was why hate on them shit let them do them they make good shit fuck i used jj and big bud had amazing resulys no need for there other shit. A way better line would be pure essential black label! Only veg ab bloom ab and 3 addiditives recomended to me by a connie grandmaster (also owns hydro store so he has basicially used everything) my point is if someone buys into there million bottle scheme thats when theres a problem this guys just asking if his 3 part is cool? No hate man

 

[BUdbuddysmile]

Everyone hate son them because it is a well known FACT!! that they are a shady company that doesn't come through on their own guarantees, and is horrible to deal with.

Those are not rumors man, they are facts! When people hate on AN they are not hating on the elements they sell. They are hating on the company and the way they package and market their products.

They make decent quality chemical mixtures, BUT there is absolutely no need whatsoever to put them into 20 different bottles and charge $35-$180 a piece and almost $800 for the entire line then they say if you aren't satisfied "100% money back" and they don't even honor that!

The answer to your question is yes, that is the best part about pH Perfect. 5 in 1 base. Adding the some of the other additives will get you better results if used properly. Start with the base, get to know it, next round add big bud.

I have been using AN for 2 years. In the last 2 years I have returned 2 bottles with no problems what so ever. I had a gallon of Bud X go bad on me which I think was my fault and a quart of voodoo juice. Come to think of it, each nutrient was returned at a different shop and there was no hassle what so ever. The shop reprinted a receipt for me. I won't stick up for the companies extreme marketing, but I'll give props where due. Have you personally used the products or have you personally made a return on the guarantee. Sounds like a bunch of hear say as usual, and indeed not fact.

 

[xxEMOxx]

@xxEMO Disagree bro. Advanced is moving in the opposite direction: They now have Sensi's PH Perfect's 5 in one product for example which works fine by itself. I just couldn't recommend any other base for a noob. No Ph/ppm pen, measure- feed. Perfect base to watch the plant grow. Sensi is actually Sensi + F-1 + H-2 + Aminos + Wet Betty. They don't say it but everything in Big Bud is in the Sensi base also. Bud Candy is Carboload + Leaf + Vitamins (B-52?). Ancient Earth is F-1 and H-2 combined.

As for rich noobs, so what if they are getting ripped. Why is everyone worried about them? I hate the ripping off of the sick who just want to grow their own meds, not the noob profiteer who exploits the meds for mass profits from recreational users.

I dislike greed so I still feel bad for the "rich noob" but besides that...

REgardless of what is or isn't in Advanced's bases Pat they dont tell you that just like you said. They sure as fuck don't push it and if they are moving in the opposite direction that everyone says they are and if they are now combining products as well then why if they have Ancient Earth did they not drop H-1 or F-1 or both also same with the Bud Candy and still offering 4 or 5 other bottles of the stuff thats in it as well. BTW all their feed charts, even ones using Conni or Sensi still seem to recommend anywhere from 6-13 more bottles at all retarded stages.

But you said they are suppose to be shifting away from this yet just dropped those "combo" boxes, at insane prices in levels from 5-6 bottles to like again 13-15 bottles and huge price tags.


Sure ph perfect is ok... but talk to the tons of growers last year that got screwed over by it cause it didnt work and they didnt back the warrenty or anything......

Dyna-Gro or CNS-17 or BIOBIZZ or Peter's all can do the same and is equally as noob friendly when following the directions on the bottle no need for a meter or whatever..... much more complete and alot less shady is all i am saying.


If you like A.N. and it works for you awesome!!!! But sending noobs towards a line that purposefully leads people down the path of incomplete nutes, merely so they can sell more bottles for more $$$$ is not very noob friendly to me.


IF we agree to disagree then thats cool......

Keep growing, and if you works for you by all means do it as long as it doesn't hurt others.

 

[patlpp]

and if they are now combining products as well then why if they have Ancient Earth did they not drop H-1 or F-1 or both also same with the Bud Candy and still offering 4 or 5 other bottles of the stuff thats in it as well.

Because Legacy users prefer the old shit because they are dialed in, per a hydro store owner I talked to.

BTW all their feed charts, even ones using Conni or Sensi still seem to recommend anywhere from 6-13 more bottles at all retarded stages.

ALL companies have those retarded charts giving you the impression you need them all. If someone is so stupid to think they do, they deserve it. Education !!

But you said they are suppose to be shifting away from this yet just dropped those "combo" boxes, at insane prices in levels from 5-6 bottles to like again 13-15 bottles and huge price tags.

Do you mean the Hobby pack and such? They are no more expensive then other companies nutes. Example:Floralicious, Root boosters, all those.

Sure ph perfect is ok... but talk to the tons of growers last year that got screwed over by it cause it didnt work and they didnt back the warrenty or anything......
Can you give me a thread as an example? I tend to find fault with a grow to the grower, not the nutes. Would it be like those that went straight to Master? I have returned bottles just a few months ago, what gives?

Dyna-Gro or CNS-17 or BIOBIZZ or Peter's all can do the same and is equally as noob friendly when following the directions on the bottle no need for a meter or whatever..... much more complete and alot less shady is all i am saying.
Sensi PH Perfect is just as complete micro/macro wise. CNS-17 and Botanicare are worse with the 200 products they sell. Dyna will fry your plants unless you have meters because that shit is STRONG. (I say that in a good way)

If you like A.N. and it works for you awesome!!!! But sending noobs towards a line that purposefully leads people down the path of incomplete nutes, merely so they can sell more bottles for more $$$$ is not very noob friendly to me.
Sensi is NOT incomplete. What is it missing when my plants are awesome? Name the element. I have used several nute lines and Sensi is the safest by far. That is why I recommend it to noobs. Path to incomplete nutes? What is incomplete about it? Name the elements.

It sounds like all your points are you just parroting what you only have heard or read perhaps. Show me some links and we can hash this out.
A prudent grower reads, explores and comes to his/her own conclusion. My conclusion is AN Sensi PH is GREAT. Bud Candy (in soiless) and Overdrive is GREAT. Not only in yield but in the bouquet.

 

[hotrodharley]

Advanced Nutrients- The med deception

They were referred to as the shadiest nutrient company in the hydroponic industry

That ain't a reference. That's a blog and some facts mixed with opinions.

 

[jpeg666]

That ain't a reference. That's a blog and some facts mixed with opinions.

Umm....hate to bust your chops but the info was taken and put on a blog. the orginal is a real certified document

let me find it for you

 

[patlpp]

^^^^Regardless, many other nute companies went through the same shit, it's called bureaucratic Government bullshit. Notice the "surprise" test was from one sole location? If you go on the State site you will see other companies got screwed too. This reference has been discussed time and again to show AN as EVIL.

Shit works on my plants TODAY.

 

[jpeg666]

^^^^Regardless, many other nute companies went through the same shit, it's called bureaucratic Government bullshit. Notice the "surprise" test was from one sole location? If you go on the State site you will see other companies got screwed too. This reference has been discussed time and again to show AN as EVIL.

Shit works on my plants TODAY.

Never argued their product was bad. Them as a company are bad.

 

[ru4r34l]

Hate on Canada all you want, AN for life..

I will preach it again and again, ALL companies are out to make a buck and if you think your specific brand of nutes (or anything else for that matter) is not overpriced, over marketed and under researched your kidding yourself.

I use AN, because it works for me; and works quite well and I get comparable prices (based on content) to some of the other brands I have tried. HB pushes dyna-gro alot and I tried it and had great results, just as good as the AN nutes, the difference in price was about $4.60 for the grow.

Up next I will run some H&G but I suspect I will stay with AN, if the results are comparable; what can I say I like cartoon pictures and Canadian businesses.

regards,

 

[homebrewer]

I use AN, because it works for me; and works quite well and I get comparable prices (based on content) to some of the other brands I have tried. HB pushes dyna-gro alot and I tried it and had great results, just as good as the AN nutes, the difference in price was about $4.60 for the grow.

If the difference in price was only $4.60, you're likely growing in a closet with CFLs and dirt. There's nothing wrong with that btw, things just get more expensive and more time consuming when one's garden is larger.

 

[patlpp]

Never argued their product was bad. Them as a company are bad.

True....seen better and worse companies in this big world of ours. It's the almighty buck. I'm just saying AN is consolidating products because guys like you,me and many others are on to them. Out of this debacle is a new Sensi that is quality IMO.

 

[ledgrowing]

in order for ph perfect to work the way advanced designed to u need to buy all four bundles and have ro water or your ppm will be way high check vids on youtube it will show u. i tried to use only some of the line it works but the ph perfect part goes out the window u need them all for the phing no other reason really but it does work well and your yeild and quality will be better mine was anyway compared to dutch masters

 

[patlpp]

in order for ph perfect to work the way advanced designed to u need to buy all four bundles and have ro water or your ppm will be way high check vids on youtube it will show u. i tried to use only some of the line it works but the ph perfect part goes out the window u need them all for the phing no other reason really but it does work well and your yeild and quality will be better mine was anyway compared to dutch masters

Could you post a link to these vids? I took the hobby kit and fed my plants growing in coco 16ml/gal (full blast) base and the full 8ml/gal of B-52, Big Bud and Overdrive, fed daily and could NOT burn them. I measured 2.6 EC !! I used only the Hobby Pack and each time I mixed, PH was right there at 5.8. I am not saying anything about the PH in a recirculating scenario, never tried it. PH very well could go to hell in recirc.

 

[kryptoniteglo]

Just FYI to the original poster, the simple three-part AN system seems to me to be priced competitively with General Hydroponics. If you look on Amazon for the basic 3-part series, 1 liter bottles, they're about the same for each company.

However, AN does have these big giant boxes with a huge number of products -- all boxed together. Those ARE expensive -- like $600. You don't need that to be a good grower and get a great yield. You can always experiment with it later when you have some initial grows for comparison.

But for me, a hobbyist grower who grows for personal use, I'll never be spending SO much time journaling multiple grows that I'll even know if I'm getting a better yield for using the full array of products out there.

So for me, simple 3-part system is best. With a little cal/mag on the side.

 

[BUdbuddysmile]

Could you post a link to these vids? I took the hobby kit and fed my plants growing in coco 16ml/gal (full blast) base and the full 8ml/gal of B-52, Big Bud and Overdrive, fed daily and could NOT burn them. I measured 2.6 EC !! I used only the Hobby Pack and each time I mixed, PH was right there at 5.8. I am not saying anything about the PH in a recirculating scenario, never tried it. PH very well could go to hell in recirc.

I use it in recirculating Eb. I only use a Filter, not RO. Ledgrowing-PPM would only be high if your PPM out of your tap is high… mine is about 80, so its not bad at all. When I mix however I get more like 5.9-6.0 not 5.7

First run, I was all worried about it and tried to pH it. When you try to do this, the buffers go nuts and you have to use a shit ton of pH. I did not have a great run.
I called tech support and they said, stop pHing it, trust it. I was hesitant, but I stopped pHing. Run 2 was awesome.

For run 2… I topped off with half strength nutrients every other top off. This was key because it gets the buffers back into the mix. Your PPMs do run higher with pH Perfect, but like patlpp said, you won't burn. My PPM's are anywhere from an extra 150-200 all the way through, but no burn. Ive heard of people running it higher. AN recommends running it full strength.. I can't bring myself to do that, but I do run it 25% higher.

You run at least the hobbits bundle because your getting beneficials from Voodoo Juice, B52 gives you B vitamins, Fulvic, Chelated Calcium and kelp. Big Bud which is IMO best bloom booster on the market. Over drive which finishes things up nice in the last two weeks. You don't need much else, maybe Sensizym and Bud Candy.

I have added a few different products and it still works fine. You don't have to follow the bundles exactly as they say. The buffers are in the base. I imagine if you add other products with buffers or products that dramatically effect your pH, it would probably throw it off.

If you are going to use pH Perfect I would not even check your pH. Check your plants, they will tell you they are happy.

 

[rastafaRY@n]

Dude if i was you, go with AN 3part until you personally find something wrong with it or if it dosent produce better results than what u been already using. I dont use Advance Nutes till i hit flowering. Im an outdoor soil guerilla grower on the big island in hawaii. No one here that i know uses AN, but for some reason(AN obviously) they always want to know what i use to make my buds sweet and swelly. I personally rock the 2pt connisuer along with B52,voodoo,big bud,nirvana,overdrive,and turantula. I think it kinda comes down to what kind of bud your growing. Not every strain to me works well with AN. Go for it, i dont see how it would set u back in any way

 

[Dbossmanfl]

Ok I went 1/4 strength and my plants to the bottom.leaves turning yellow should I add more water ? They are bout 5 weeks and iam using advance nutes ph perfect they also have lil tops on them. Also in 10 gallon resivour with drip system oh and would like to know how many times to feed and for how long each feed is.