World Of Hempy

[Shivaskunk]

Love the dip in paint idea. It took me freaking hours to tape 30 of these

 

[Moebius]

Yeah they are getting a week under some hps and led light. If they arent rooted out enough by the time i put them inthe flower area ill give them another week. They have pretty well defined rootmasses already. Ive had the cuttings in semi stasis for 2 weeks already before transplant. Just low light and low nutes. You can see they ate up their bottom leaves. Since its a 4x4 flowering area and ill have close to 30 plants i dont want them too big....oh and i have no clue as to the growth habits of the seedlimgs lol

Whats substrate you going with? Regular Perlite/Vermiculite?

edit:

Its quite expensive to dip the whole bottle in paint. I was just referring to the bottom section. Gorilla tape for the rest IMO (when the bottle is full)

 

[Shivaskunk]

Oh i already gorilla taped everything but the very bottom. Just #4 chunky perlite..and a little of the finely ground perlite. I was going to get a rubber spray but would have been as expensive as jst buying buckets.

 

[Moebius]

Oh i already gorilla taped everything but the very bottom. Just #4 chunky perlite..and a little of the finely ground perlite. I was going to get a rubber spray but would have been as expensive as jst buying buckets.

I would have liked to have used the rubberized spray, it looks cool but yes, its not cheap. ... Gorilla tape provides a neater and durable finish IMO.

It probably would have been best if I had blacked out the bottoms then taped them up, then emptied the bottles. LOL. I'm starting to sound a little silly talking about such details, but its the little things that make up the bigger picture.

Have you gone with this mix before? Will it not dry out too quick?

EDIT:
I like the idea of using different grades of Perlite.

 

[Shivaskunk]

Lol yeah i learned fast to keep the bottles full for taping! I used this same perlite mix for my current run and never even saw drooping. A few times i didnt water for three or four days. Im guessing with containers 5x smaller this run that ill have to be vigilant. Thanks for mentioning that. I already have them in their new containers and its not worth it to me to shock them more to change up substrate though. I go in my room daily...the room has a lock...and is the only place other than bathroom that i can get away from my woman...lol...so i soend an hour or more in there usually...

I did notice in the solo cups with #4 perlite that if i didnt water every other day they would get thristy. Im guessing that you are right to worry...i will just water daily if needed.

 

[Shivaskunk]

Im used to NFT anyway so lots of attention to detail isnt a problem. I will post weekly results once they start and we can see how they do.

 

[Dalek Supreme]

@ Dalek. I read on your other post about the poly, and I'm glad you expounded on it here. How would you rate the capillary action of the poly compared to perlite or coco?? And how do you think it would respond in a larger application?? Like 10" deep and 12" in dia?

Now I don't understand the RRR concept. Sounds like you are trying to keep the roots from seeking and setting into the bottom of the rez. Especially with your use of hydroton below the hole, which has a lower capillary action than perlite. So I'm assuming you need to keep your rez relatively full all the time?? I know that when I invert and empty a 3 gal bucket I have a full mat of roots at the bottom. So please enlighten me more on this RRR concept, especially if I'm way off track.

I would rate the capillary action as being about midway between Hydroton,and fine grade Perlite.Leaning a little towards the quicker running Hydroton,the roots look very comfortable.It retains some moisture in the airzone,and some wicking action for the feeder roots.Flushes with decent run off action,with any build up easily broken up (I would suspect if someone had major build up that they were overferting).Keep in mind that the more saturated the more retension of water it has but does run off.

My first mothers were in gallon buckets.I would take the denser yellow foam padding,and cut wedges to stabilise plant.The trouble lies in the plant getting heavy,and drown itself in the res from compaction.I imagine a net pot lid would work,but with extra holes in the lid to allow for airflow from top to drain hole.The pic is a dissected full Polyfil mediumed cup with starter cube(culled male).The blue shows the res level band of roots.As the plant gets bigger more roots air prune out the drain hole slowing drainage some.When I normal hand feed,and if a couple days it takes little water?I will reset the res with atleast 1.5x's res volume dumped in feed.The slower drainage makes a root band mid air zone.Compared to Hydroton the roots in the air zone are more woody.The Polyfil air zone roots are more fresh,and moist for Oxygen uptake.I do not have enough grows nor any direct side by side tests on Hydroton res,and Polyfil air zone,but it works,with some roots grown to the bottom when needed.

I never tried Coco,research on it turned me off.For someone that loves Coco,try some craft store Polyfil,and follow some experiments previously outlined(keeping danger of air zone compaction in mind).

RRR is what it says.Roots rest on res.This is mostly used for a Polyfil wrapped,or bunched together rooted clone.
The Polyfil does not have the water retension of Perlite so for the sake of the roots not drying out.Atleast one root has to be dipping into,or resting on top of the res,with previously laid in medium (of your choice).The res medium has to allow slight room below drain hole for a roots toes to get wet in metaphor.A seedling with a starter cube may or may not need RRR method?I never tried,and always used RRR method to the next size container.So far I have RRR method 6-12-24oz-1gal (not all same plant),and they RRR like a glove.I start in 12's,and keepers go to 24's.

If Hempy himself over thought this?It would be still a science fair novelty with cut up 2l Coke bottles,and this would be "World of Earthbox" or something more mundane.Hempy Sees it as roots growing thru aerated soil towards the water table.The res is the water table,air zone the aerated soil.This follows what happens if the plant collapses into res,and starts dying off.Whatever medium you chose keep Hempy's concept in mind.
A proper Hempy setup has Oxygen,H2O,and nutrition,all readily uptakeable from feeder roots to taproot.

I could just kiss Hempy himself.
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[WattSaver]

I've got some polyfill laying around, I'll play with it to see what happens.

 

[WattSaver]

Here's an update of where I'm at, it's not all death and gloom.

I'm almost 5wks in the flower area. And I think they are going to pull out of the DEATH syndrome. 1st pic shows the Koloco Mist, I sure wish I hadn't lost it's clone in the veg box. I tied over the 2 main stocks it had and all the heads except for 2 are side branches. When grown without training they look like a spruce tree with all the branches.

(I'm having problems inserting photos inline, can only get the load all at once shit)

 

[WattSaver]

Now here's a few shots of my new seedlings, they are my cross, of Maui-Wowie and Big Island Thunder, if its a keeper I'll call it Maui-Thunder. The 3 larger ones are a wk older than the other 2, and they are in a soil-less medium called Basement mix, in drain to waste pots. The other 2 just got transplanted into 1qt mini-hempys with perlite to the hole and "Roots Organics" coco from there up. I'm gonna give coco another try.

Older seedlings at transplant.


Current old & newer.

The older seedlings at this photo were a wk from their transplant, and I just water them for the 1st time since that transplant, that's 8 full days, I really like the way the Basement mix holds water. I'll water the mini-hempy's next saturday morning at the latest, cause I'm going out of town for a few days.

 

[Rusty Shakelford]

I would have liked to have used the rubberized spray, it looks cool but yes, its not cheap. ... Gorilla tape provides a neater and durable finish IMO.

It probably would have been best if I had blacked out the bottoms then taped them up, then emptied the bottles. LOL. I'm starting to sound a little silly talking about such details, but its the little things that make up the bigger picture.

Have you gone with this mix before? Will it not dry out too quick?

EDIT:
I like the idea of using different grades of Perlite.

Just a Heads up,,, I tried the Rubber Spray (Plasti Dip) on a 2 liter bottle, and it did OK, but ended up rubbing off the bottom of the bottle feet when all was said and done. You also needed a few coats to get it dark enough, so a little pricey.

Now I just use cheap black spray paint around the bottom and black duct tape the rest of the way up the bottle.

 

[sk8ter.13]

Hey, fellow hempy growers, whats up? I’m having some issues with some seedlings I just started in rockwool cubes and are now in hempy cups and was wondering if you guys that are experienced in the ways of hempy might be able to take a look at my thread in the plant problems section and give me any advice?

https://www.rollitup.org/marijuana-plant-problems/567793-seedlings-leaves-turning-yellow-brown.html

Thanks for your time!

 

[Moebius]

Hey, fellow hempy growers, whats up? I’m having some issues with some seedlings I just started in rockwool cubes and are now in hempy cups and was wondering if you guys that are experienced in the ways of hempy might be able to take a look at my thread in the plant problems section and give me any advice?

https://www.rollitup.org/marijuana-plant-problems/567793-seedlings-leaves-turning-yellow-brown.html

Thanks for your time!

Had a quick look but it would be better if you reposted here for more info.

What you been feeding them? Hopefully just water or very light feed at this stage ... Any chance you splashed some formula on those tips?

 

[sk8ter.13]

Mr. Moebius sent me a gracious PM suggesting that I repost my stuff from my plant problem thread here I may receive some help, which I am really thankful for, because I was receiving advice over there like “if any roots are touching pure perlite like that they will suffer”. Here it is (sorry so verbose):

Hey, whats up? Looking for some advice here. I have been growing for about two years now using the same strains in a perpetual cabinet scrog. I got bored and wanted some new flavors so I ordered seeds recently. So, although I have been growing for a while now, this is only the second time I have ever sprouted seeds.
The first time I germinated seeds I used soil and then transplanted into hempy cups (mix is 75% perlite and 25% vermiculite), and had no problems. This time I decided to try Rockwool cubes because I thought itwould be easier to move into hempys. I sprouted three seeds in cubes less than a week ago and they all germinated well and looked good, initially. The strains are DNA Lemon OG, Reserva Privada Purple OG #18, and Female seeds C99.
I waited until the roots were coming out the cubes and then put them in the hempy cups. I think this is where I might have messed up,because I reused some perlite and vermiculite mix from previous plants, mixed in with fresh stuff. The next morning I awoke to find the seedlings leaves were turning yellow and brown. I dug the cubes out of the cups, flushed them with plain water, and replanted them using all fresh perlite and vermiculite.
I let them sit for the past two days and did nothing with them, then watered them today. It seems like they were shocked for a day or so,but today I am seeing some signs of new growth, but the leaves are still yellow and I see some yellowing on the new little leaves in the middle on the LemonOG, which looks the worst out of the three. The c99 is doing the best, Purple OG, has some yellowing, and Lemon OG has yellow that turned to brown and looks like shit.
I have at no point fed them anything but plain water that has sat out for several days.What do you think the problem may be and what can I do about it? The temperature in my veg room they are in is 77 degrees and there is plenty of airflow. I have three Bonsai Moms of my old strains in there (Kushberry,Super Lemon Haze, and Blue Cheese) and about 11 rooted clones for my next run and they are all doing great, so I don’t think it is the environment. I have two 25 watt daylight CFLs positioned about 4 to 5 inches above the seedlings. I can put my hand under them and there is no discernible heat being admitted until I get less than an inch from the bulbs. I’ve done a ton of reading here, and the only things I can think of is it is a problem with the water (should I switch to purified water?), or it is because I reused some perlite and vermiculite at first, and it may have absorbed some nutes. Any suggestions? Thanks for reading, and any help you might be able to offer.

 

[sk8ter.13]

I have not fed them anything but plain water that has sat out several days. It is not likely that I splashed anything other than plain water on the leaves either; they have not been near any nutes at all.
I am ashamed to admit that I do not know the PH of my water, I have not been testing it since I began growing, because when I first read about Hempy Buckets, Hempy himself said that it wasn’t an issue in Hempy Buckets and didn’t matter, and I have not had any issues with the other strains I have been growing very successfully in hempy buckets the past few years. I do have a kit here for PH testing for aquariums, and I can test my water with it.
Thank you so much for the help guys!

 

[Moebius]

It sounds to me that it was your reused mix that was a bit salty and that was causing you some problems. You've figured that out anyway. Now you're just going to be treating her for stress.

They always like a misting of water, a light seaweed extract solution is even better. and low(ish) light.

Soon you're going to be wanting to introduce a very light feed. 1/5 strength. I personally find it tricky to coax those roots down from seedling in traditional hempy mix. Others here seem to do it OK but i'm finding it easier with Mapito.

You're going to want to make sure your mix does not dry out too much, too often, if you want a healthy rootzone. Regular light feedings at first.

EDIT:

re pH ... Its going to be around 7. ... Ideally its around 6. ... Nutes bring it down by a few 10ths anyhow.

I grew for months and months without pH or EC meters. I still don't bother with EC. pH is more important but i have always had acceptable results without. You should get a pH pen though.

 

[sk8ter.13]

OK, so, I just tested the PH of the tap water that has been sitting out that I have been giving them exclusively, and the PH looks to be around 6.8 to 7.0 to me.

 

[JAhphoon]

i am currently prepping my hempy buckets, i will be using pots with a thick layer of clay pebbles at the bottom to act as a rez with a layer of perlite(floats) followed by the medium (coco/perlite mix (50/50)) thus creating a rez within the bucket, the hot topic on my mind is sealing the drainage holes, what would be best to do this with, i had thought about using silicone reading up on the stuff makes me think it is safe to use so long as i cap the inside of the hole with some food safe plastic material. is this correct? there will be holes at the top of the rez area to avoid overflow.

 

[sk8ter.13]

Cool, finally some good advice from someone that knows what they are talking about!
Questions:
When should I begin feeding? I have read not for two weeks or so, or I have read when the cotyledons fall off?
Is the seaweed extract solution something I buy premade, or do I prepare it?
In the hempy cups so you think I should be watering like every other day orevery three days? I water my clones, mothers, and flowering plants every other day usually, although I wait three days sometimes with the clones until the rootshit the res and they begin drinking more.

Do you think they will be OK?
Thanks again!
Think I might stick to starting seeds in soil from now on...

 

[Rusty Shakelford]

i am currently prepping my hempy buckets, i will be using pots with a thick layer of clay pebbles at the bottom to act as a rez with a layer of perlite(floats) followed by the medium (coco/perlite mix (50/50)) thus creating a rez within the bucket, the hot topic on my mind is sealing the drainage holes, what would be best to do this with, i had thought about using silicone reading up on the stuff makes me think it is safe to use so long as i cap the inside of the hole with some food safe plastic material. is this correct? there will be holes at the top of the rez area to avoid overflow.

Forget the Pots with holes in the bottom,, get new buckets and drill a hole 2" up, and your done. I like to use food grade buckets myself.