Most breeders are a rip off.

[|B3RNY|]

...stresses the fact that temperature and humidity are deciding factors in how long stored seeds will remain viable. I doubt any body seriously worries about whether or not their seeds will germinate in even 15 years. I was just throwing out a theory there brother man.

 

[hazey grapes]

man do i wish my dozen or so different mexcom bagseeds from the mid 90s were still here and viable. i partiucularly liked the one i called spicy. it had the same peppery taste as original kali mist and even as a brick, it weren't no schwag. i called the others best bricks gold, purple & red. the (panama) reds liked to stretch like mofos, but did flip when the bastid of a room mate i gifted them to that tried growing them under a skoplight he kept raising until they were 4' or more put them on a timer. reason #2 i'd rather smoke brick than dank.

i should start refrigerating my beans.

 

[HotShot7414]

Alright dude fuck it.............I too think there is something to the males smelling diff than females..lol...seriously,females smell more like what the finished bud will be,males just have a diff smell.Then again ive had plants with no smell all thru veg.What's up,great minds mothafucka!!btw just think of them jokers in your "grow room" as Co2..haha

Haha we both crazy too since no one will believe this smell theory lol

 

[hazey grapes]

back to the comment on TH seeds, i might have added the "knock off" comment myself as i don't like the sound of da purps x AFGHANI. that is a schwag cross! da purps x urkel, grape stomper, grape krush, plushberry even blueberry or effing bubblegum with another generation of back crossing to da purps for reasonably UNDILUTED da purps would be more acceptable. 50% purps and 50% schwag is not "da purps" just as skunk #1 ain't no real sativa and that's only 50% afghanicrap. i can't see wasting a lot of money on a strain that's 50% something you despise. i'm not the one who called TH seeds a hack though.

 

[|B3RNY|]

I like MK Ultra (TH Seeds), maybe even love it.

 

[|B3RNY|]

...but most ​(not all) breeders are guilty of a little "watering down."

 

[|B3RNY|]

T H Seeds Da Purps: This beautiful variety was ‘gifted’ to T.H.Seeds® from experienced Nor-Cal growers. A grape flavoured resin coated plant; this plant proves that purple doesn’t necessarily stands for less quality. Originally grown from 23-year-old seeds, the Purps™ turned out to be the perfect match for our Afghani male. To keep the spirit of the Purps™ alive we introduced Da Purps™. Expect slight variables in the phenos due to unknown heritage of the original Purps™. It takes between 65-70 days for cannabis seeds to flower.

That's their description, it seems like Ak47 isn't the only strain with a trademark anymore!! I'm glad to see breeders beginning to do this. I thin what happened here is a misunderstanding (or TH Seeds stole the name, one, lol) they seem to be under the impression that the original strain was called simply "Purps", so they grabbed some, crossed it to an Afghan and slapped "Da" at the beginning of it. If that is true then I don't think it's so much a rip off as other have done, at least they added something to the name since they changed up the lineage. What do you guys think?

 

[hazey grapes]

it's a very subtle renaming as it's proper name is THE purps. if they called it purpsicle or something, i'd have less of an issue, but it's not the name that bothers me, it's what's been done with the genetics. if anything, i'd rather they selfed the original clone and offer fems. then anyone ELSE that wants to use it in their breeding programs that doesn't have access to da pure can make what they chose.

along VERY similar lines actually, i don't even like the idea of old timer's haze (purple & blackberry) crossed with thai just because it's cheaper than pure OTH from ace. it makes it hard to pass traits on to offspring when you're starting with 50% diluted genes giving you 25% offspring when ideally, you'd want to start with 100% and then bx to 75% or even 87.5%.

it's almost like an insurance policy that whoever tries to breed with your gear is going to get something even more bastardized. that's why so many hazes suck compered to the real deal. you want the best, you got to start with the best.

i don't know how many breeders do it, but i'm positive there are a few that want to "own" their stuff just like the one who created REAL alaskan thunderfuck. no one has ever had a seed or a cutting of that and the hoarder, i mean breeder won't even share his recipe. talk about being a control freak!

i think if weed ever WERE legalized, you'd see breeders trying to trademark their gear for real and copyright infringement would become the new possession of a controlled patent.

it's just an effing plant!

 

[hazey grapes]

a couple more breeders that i've only heard good things about so far that are a little off the radar are jordan of the islands and dr atomic, though dr A is mostly sold at sketchy banks. if i ever decide to try his atomic haze, i'll get that from hemp depot that always did right by me with all of my joey weed buys. i'm looking into bean hoarder eventually as he has some interesting sounding hazes and already has a trippy cherry haze that could only get tastier with some buddha's sister.

it'd be the best job in the world breeding gear, but all that testing. oh no. who'd want to smoke weed every day?

 

[OGEvilgenius]

As, I'm sure, many have noticed, most cannabis breeders offer very little information on the strains they sell but 9 times out of 10 they will at least tell you the genetics. That's good to know but when they say blueberry X skunk, that does not always mean it was a blueberry mother pollinated by a male skunk. It usually just means that the strain came from those 'breeds' but has been crossed, back-crossed or re-back-crossed, etc. Which is all fine, but go to any seed bank and you will see many breeders selling the same strains, only they list different lineages for them. I guess this would only concern you if you were looking for the "real deal" but it really bothers me, if different strains are used to create a new hybrid then it should have a new name as well, to limit confusion. For instance, most people agree that the renowned "White Widow" was originally bred by Shanitbaba (Greenhouse Seeds, Mr. Nice Seeds), including the genetics from a South Indian hybrid and a Brazilian Sativa. White Widow was almost instantly a legendary strain around the world, winning the 1995 Cannabis Cup. Soon after, many breeders released their version of the Widow: in 1996, Nirvana and Dutch Passion seed companies both purchased a pack of White Widow seeds from Shantibaba and then released their own versions within 1 year. These would have the same 'bloodline' as the original White Widow (as long as they didn't breed it with something else), but (assuming White Widow is an f1) these would be lower-quality, F2 seeds. On the other hand, we have breeders like Dinafem (who are GREAT breeders nonetheless) who sell a version of White Widow with the genetics listed as: Haze X Skunk X Northern Lights, I actually really like Dinafem "White Widow" but couldn't they have at least named it something else? Dinafem sells a strain called "Super Silver" which also has listed genetics of: Haze X Skunk X Northern Lights but here they were courteous enough to change the name just a little bit. There are 100's of cases like this, where breeders try to make more money from the glory/work of another breeder.
There's also many breeders who are simply buying packs of seeds form other breeders (as mentioned before) and then breeding them to sell as their own variety. This just gives people the impression that they're getting the same thing when they're really getting a pack of seeds they could of very well bred themselves.

I have been wanting to make a cross of Blueberry Gum and SSSDH (Super Silver Sour Diesel Haze.) Of course a cross isn't considered a strain until it's been tried/tested but I always like to give my crosses a unique name, that's what made me think of rip-off breeders who are out there to make $ off others' work. I know Blue Dream has been quite popular lately and it's a cross of Blueberry and Haze, but it wouldn't be very cool of me to call my cross Blue Dream just because it has a little Blueberry and Haze in it because they will be a completely different line considering my cross would also include Diesel as well as Bubblegum (of course, I'm not a seller either though.) I don't breed seeds for sale or anything so it's not even important what I call my crosses but even if I did, I'd want to start with some good landraces and breed them selectively, back-crossing/inbreeding and such to isolate good traits, then a strain would be worthy of it's own name. I just wish that the majority of the breeders at the seed banks felt the same way. In a perfect world, breeders would breed their own lines, use their own names and worry about quality rather than whatever the most popular name may be at the time.

I'll just call my cross, assuming it'll be good enough to remain as a keeper, Blue Nightmare, then if I were a commercial breeder at least it wouldn't cause any confusion.

Blue Nightmare. Your dream is a little sour on one half, hence, nightmare.

 

[OGEvilgenius]

You shouldn't tell how stealth shipping is shipped on a public forum.This is how people get their packages intercepted at customs and will make the particular seed have to change their methods again.Nothing against you personally it's just kind of a rule of what not to do.

You should edit out the post in hopes he will do the same.... seriously, methods of shipping should remain secret and people getting upset because they were told as much are not being very cool.

 

[OGEvilgenius]

Yea, but I have read studies on the internet of seeds remaining viable for up to 14 years and even longer if they are stored correctly. They don't necessarily have to be frozen either, just protected from moisture and light really. But you're right- they're only expected to be viable for a few years. Sometimes a bagseed may be 2 or 3 years old before somebody even buys it to smoke & those will still sprout most of the time, assuming they matured.

Scientists have popped seeds thousands of years old.

 

[|B3RNY|]

I agree with secrecy but it's not much of a secret. The way I see it, seeds must look like rat turds through an x-ray. I don't remember dropping any secrets but I'm sorry if I did, I didn't realize what I was doing at the time- it's probably too late for me to edit anything. Sometimes customs catches things but a lot of the times when someone doesn't receive a package it's due to mailman-theivery. I read articles about customs every so often but if you go looking for them you'll mostly find reports of customs workers stealing products, at least until quite recently.

 

[hazey grapes]

You should edit out the post in hopes he will do the same.... seriously, methods of shipping should remain secret and people getting upset because they were told as much are not being very cool.

it's considered bad form. whether or not an agency knows about whatever tech a particular bank is using and some really mix it up, why would anyone want to put any info up that undermines the group's overall safety. it's a bogus thing to discuss in general, if a shop is legit, you'll get your beans, oh, except in those rare occasions they get seized, how do they get seized? someone knows what to look for... how do they know that?

whatever whatever method a bank uses that works is it's own reward. there's this abbreviation... TMI

Sometimes customs catches things but a lot of the times when someone doesn't receive a package it's due to mailman-theivery.

and you want them out of the loop even more. if anyone's a threat to beans arriving it's those same sticky fingered postal workers that get caught rifling through christmas letters they're supposed to be sorting looking for cash. i KNOW some piece of shit postal worker stole BOTH of my money orders i tried sending for a $30 import CD and insurance and registration and what the fuck ever did nothing for me either time.

then there was this loser, probably a postal worker, or maybe a lock picker that kept trying to argue with me to store money in postal boxes as they're "safer than banks". dude was a fucking moron. LOL

 

[|B3RNY|]

Well, they look at what's on the package list (anything going through customs must have a list of the items enclosed), of course banks do not write "Cannabis seeds" on the label, they will open a package and look trough it if either: dogs alert on it, it's of unusual size for the items written down or of unusual weight. This is why The Attitude can 'guarantee' your shipping if you buy the shirt, it doesn't work every time but it does 99% of the time. They won't open it or fuck with it if it checks out alright (and the sniffer dogs don't alert on it, which is highly unlikely.) I have yet to miss an order, though the Attitude has shorted me 2 freebies the last 2 times I ordered seeds.. they were freebies but come on..

 

[|B3RNY|]

We want 'them' all out of the loop, if they're bad enough to be a "they" or them", then they're no good; I think customs and postal workers are unlikely traffic (unless they grow, lol) but good points anyways- should keep things on the low down, I reckon. The way seeds are packaged shouldn't really be discussed as there's nothing any of us can do about it anyways and it serves no purpose or significant positive effects.

 

[hazey grapes]

bad form. there's no reason to be having this conversation.

technically, discussing ways to stealth transport MJ is a violation of forum rules too. this is pretty much in that ballpark.

 

[crazyhazey]

many breeders do charge a lot for seeds that are gonna give you herms and 50 different phenos, thats why you go to sannies and get what you paid for. $5 a bean is the best your gonna get, you can try KC brains but your basically paying for 1-2 beans cause the rest of your pack is gonna be shit. good breeders take pics of their parent plants, and tell you how many different phenos to expect. if your paying $10+ a bean, your probably just paying for a popular name your really set on getting, perhaps GDP, the Iranian autoflower, or the C99 female seeds released, all are expensive because your paying for a name. genetics are genetics, so what if your not growing something popular, some of the best shit ive seen came from a good bag, weed isnt too complicated theres indica and sativas, and of course your hybrids, find a good description and quit worrying about the name of the strain.

and if your not receiving your orders, you should get new beans delivered to you, even nirvana offers that.

 

[|B3RNY|]

I get every one of my orders, The Attitude comes through. Sannie's doesn't have enough variety for me but they seem alright. I wouldn't even waste time on a bag seed unless it was one of my own or something.

 

[crazyhazey]

I get every one of my orders, The Attitude comes through. Sannie's doesn't have enough variety for me but they seem alright. I wouldn't even waste time on a bag seed unless it was one of my own or something.

same here, never had one revoked. like i said, when your shopping at the attitude your usually going for a name, sannie has just about every indica/sativa dom id ever want plus plenty of hybrids, all are really stable and are good for doing some breeding since its not hard to find a great male and female out of a 10 pack. rcmcollective.ca looks pretty good, not too expensive either. youd be amazed with bagseeds, if you grow em right they'll probably be alot better than the bag you got it from.