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[abandonconflict]

Who was it back on page 1 that told beenthere to post in the Advanced Growing?

has nothing to do with you, has to do with his avatar. If you think I have something to learn about growing, go post in my old journal

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/522616-first-journal-blueberry-gum-romulan.html

Stop trying to get me to incriminate myself, it is different for the likes of been there and ub, they live in med states, they dont have to worry about prison, like I said, STOP ASKING, this ain't hypocrisy or double talk, I live in Mexico, let's see your current grow...

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

You won't find me talking shit about someone's grow unless they start attacking me first, and I never said a word about your skills bro, not until you took a shot at mine.

dude if you think th ballast has more to do with type of spectrum emitted then the bulb then yes you are right there is no contest . . you dont know enough to have a conversation with me about it

and in order to insult your skills, you would have to have some first . . . . . . if you think ballast type has anything to do with spectrum i doubt you grow at all

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

LOL Dude, you're talking out your ass, I never said one thing about a ballast changing the spectrum of an HPS light, you did. One thing I do know is, taking pics under a bulb in a digital ballast vs. a magnetic looks way different. Whether it's because of the much lower hz in the magnetic ballast that effects the filtering in the camera or whatever, but it looks way different under a digital ballast, especially when the bulb life is nearing it's end.

I take it you are a lighting engineer and an accomplished physicist, why don't you explain it to me?

spectrum of the bulbs has to do with the gas, and filament composition and designed operating temperature as well as amperage . . . .. it has zero to do with engineering(ok maybe a little to do with engineering but that is design we use not design so its moot here) or physics . . . .. . . . .

"One thing I do know is, taking pics under a bulb in a digital ballast vs. a magnetic looks way different"

flat out lie, same bulb different style ballast= same look every time


keep lying all it does is let us know you dont have much in the way to offer in the growing advise department

heres that plant you referenced . . .what a shame its so chronic eh

under a bus lol more like hotboxing the bus

 

[cues]

Sam, I hate to tell you this but beenthere is right. It's called the stroboscopic effect and is caused by the 50-60 mains herts that magnetic ballasts provide compared to the 20K or so hertz that electronic ballasts provide. This effect is most pronounced on many cameras.
Also, the glass of the bulb also affects spectrum. MH bulbs would be far more dangerous if the glass wasn't specially made to remove UV rays.

 

[beenthere]

LOL Dude, you're talking out your ass, I never said one thing about a ballast changing the spectrum of an HPS light, you did. One thing I do know is, taking pics under a bulb in a digital ballast vs. a magnetic looks way different. Whether it's because of the much lower hz in the magnetic ballast that effects the filtering in the camera or whatever, but it looks way different under a digital ballast, especially when the bulb life is nearing it's end.

I take it you are a lighting engineer and an accomplished physicist, why don't you explain it to me?

do you mean bulbs at 60hrz or 50hrz ?

oh and spectrum has zero to do with ballast .Uhh I never said it did. you would be a worthy adversary . . but please dont make assumptions about growing . . . i may be many things but a dubious(word of the month) knowledgeable grower i am not


ive been at it for only 7 years 4 on my own . . . . .i am by no means a expert/master(i only do indoors coco/soiless soil ) but i am quite astute

dude if you think th ballast has more to do with type of spectrum emitted then the bulb then yes you are right there is no contest . . you dont know enough to have a conversation with me about it

and in order to insult your skills, you would have to have some first . . . . . . if you think ballast type has anything to do with spectrum i doubt you grow at all

You little pukes are no different whether you talk cannabis or politics, it's all about the optics of looking right to you and it doesn't matter if you achieve that by being dishonest or not. Why do you keep throwing color spectrum into the conversation even when I've made abundantly clear I've never claimed a ballast had anything to do with changing the spectrum? Look at my posts above, it was you little liars talking about spectrum, not me.

Perhaps you are confusing my posts with UncleBucks!

Nah dude, I thought you were concerned because your plants look stunted, it was Bucky that said your plant needs nitrogen, not me! LOL

LOOK \/

Bucky has history making a photo diagnoses!

jesus christ, it all comes out neon yellow.

have you heard of this thing called nitrogen?

The next time you claim to be a master grower, you may want to have the pics and knowledge to back it up!

 

[BadDog40]

I have no idea why pics look different but I do think it has something to do with the light waves (hz).
I can go dig out an old coil over ballast and using the same camera and settings, the pictures will look different!

Perhaps we'll find out for certain once the Bad Dog quantum physicist publishes his findings on the forum for us!

If you don't understand how a ballast works or what it does then I'd be better off banging my head against a wall. Christ you're dumber than I suspected.

 

[beenthere]

If you don't understand how a ballast works or what it does then I'd be better off banging my head against a wall. Christ you're dumber than I suspected.

LOL Dude, I don't have to know the physics of lighting in order to use lights, in fact I'll bet there are very few growers that truly understand it. Now there are a bunch of google physicists like yourself that claim to!

 

[canndo]

this is dog poo out of my GF's personal garden(second grow ever) puts you to shame im sure 32 days in

That is very pretty.

are we in a dick wagging competition here?

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

Sam, I hate to tell you this but beenthere is right. It's called the stroboscopic effect and is caused by the 50-60 mains herts that magnetic ballasts provide compared to the 20K or so hertz that electronic ballasts provide. This effect is most pronounced on many cameras.
Also, the glass of the bulb also affects spectrum. MH bulbs would be far more dangerous if the glass wasn't specially made to remove UV rays.

Fluorescent lamps using conventional magnetic ballasts flicker at twice the supply frequency. Electronic ballasts do not produce light flicker since the phosphor persistence is longer than a half cycle of the higher operation frequency of 20 kHz. The 100–120 Hz flicker produced by magnetic ballasts is associated with headaches and eyestrain.[SUP][5][/SUP] Individuals with high critical flicker fusion threshold are particularly affected by light from fluorescent fixtures that have magnetic ballasts: their EEG alpha waves are markedly attenuated and they perform office tasks with greater speed and decreased accuracy. The problems are not observed with electronic ballasts.[SUP][6][/SUP] Ordinary people have better reading performance using high-frequency (20–60 kHz) electronic ballasts than magnetic ballasts,[SUP][7][/SUP] although the effect was small except at high contrast ratio.





the camera does not show flicker ass hat

he was judging based on a picture, not standing in my room

 

[Mr Neutron]

has nothing to do with you, has to do with his avatar. If you think I have something to learn about growing, go post in my old journal

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/522616-first-journal-blueberry-gum-romulan.html

Stop trying to get me to incriminate myself, it is different for the likes of been there and ub, they live in med states, they dont have to worry about prison, like I said, STOP ASKING, this ain't hypocrisy or double talk, I live in Mexico, let's see your current grow...

Whoa, chill out dude. Nobody is trying to get you busted. Me thinks thou dost protest too much, though...
Oh, they don't have to worry about it because they live in mmj states, rrrrreally? I did not know that (in my best Johnny Carson voice). You live in Mexico, rrrrrrreally? I did not know that...

LOL, "STOP ASKING"...LOL

...tied to chair in a darkened room, barefoot and shirtless. The light from a desk lamp shining in my eyes. El Comandante keeps screaming at me, "Where are your plants?", while whipping me with what looks like schwag.... OOOOOOoooh the HORROR!!!!!

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

That is very pretty.

are we in a dick wagging competition here?

in order for there to be a competition beenthere has to be a grower which he is not . . . . hes a hobbyst

 

[canndo]

LOL Dude, I don't have to know the physics of lighting in order to use lights, in fact I'll bet there are very few growers that truly understand it. Now there are a bunch of google physicists like yourself that claim to!

No one has to understand any of how the things around them work. Except that when we don't understand we rarely are able to define WHY we do the things we do. this holds to every area of our lives, even debate. Those who are uninterested in how, are rarely enlightened.

 

[beenthere]

Sam, I hate to tell you this but beenthere is right. It's called the stroboscopic effect and is caused by the 50-60 mains herts that magnetic ballasts provide compared to the 20K or so hertz that electronic ballasts provide. This effect is most pronounced on many cameras.
Also, the glass of the bulb also affects spectrum. MH bulbs would be far more dangerous if the glass wasn't specially made to remove UV rays.

Thanks for the clarification Cues.
I thought it had something to do with the wave lengths but I'm not an expert when it comes to lighting and unlike others on this forum, I don't pretend to be.
I think digital ballasts increase PAR as well, perhaps that also has something to so with it, I don't know.
All I care about is the fact electronic ballasts run cooler, are more efficient and give out more light.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

You little pukes are no different whether you talk cannabis or politics, it's all about the optics of looking right to you and it doesn't matter if you achieve that by being dishonest or not. Why do you keep throwing color spectrum into the conversation even when I've made abundantly clear I've never claimed a ballast had anything to do with changing the spectrum? Look at my posts above, it was you little liars talking about spectrum, not me.

Perhaps you are confusing my posts with UncleBucks!





The next time you claim to be a master grower, you may want to have the pics and knowledge to back it up!

Originally Posted by beenthere

Dude, it's not so much the HPS bulb as it is your magnetic ballast!


never siad master grower, just better then the asshat who confuses spectrums with ballast type and then goes on about physics

 

[canndo]

in order for there to be a competition beenthere has to be a grower which he is not . . . . hes a hobbyst

No no, I am the hobbyist, you people are all masters.

 

[Mr Neutron]

No no, I am the hobbyist, you people are all masters.

What's wrong with being a hobbyist? Pothead snobs, never woulda thunk it.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

Thanks for the clarification Cues.
I thought it had something to do with the wave lengths but I'm not an expert when it comes to lighting and unlike others on this forum, I don't pretend to be.
I think digital ballasts increase PAR as well, perhaps that also has something to so with it, I don't know.
All I care about is the fact electronic ballasts run cooler, are more efficient and give out more light.

how do you increase par? cause i was under the impression that PAR light is a term and not a value to be increased . . its a way of measuring light spectrum usable my plants . . but ill listen to what you have to say as you take foot out of ass and put in head


so effin funny .

 

[beenthere]

Fluorescent lamps using conventional magnetic ballasts flicker at twice the supply frequency. Electronic ballasts do not produce light flicker since the phosphor persistence is longer than a half cycle of the higher operation frequency of 20 kHz. The 100–120 Hz flicker produced by magnetic ballasts is associated with headaches and eyestrain.[SUP][5][/SUP] Individuals with high critical flicker fusion threshold are particularly affected by light from fluorescent fixtures that have magnetic ballasts: their EEG alpha waves are markedly attenuated and they perform office tasks with greater speed and decreased accuracy. The problems are not observed with electronic ballasts.[SUP][6][/SUP] Ordinary people have better reading performance using high-frequency (20–60 kHz) electronic ballasts than magnetic ballasts,[SUP][7][/SUP] although the effect was small except at high contrast ratio.





the camera does not show flicker ass hat

he was judging based on a picture, not standing in my room

Dude, give it up. No one really cares how much overnight research you've done on lighting!
And does it really matter why pics look different under a digital ballast vs a coil over ballast, NO!

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

No no, I am the hobbyist, you people are all masters.

dude your the tissue culture guy i know you knwo what your talking about . . . . .. whay are you trying to get into it with me

 

[beenthere]

No no, I am the hobbyist, you people are all masters.

IMO, unless one does it for exclusively and successfully for a living, they're a hobbyist.
And what is so wrong with being a hobbyist?