Wait? ~ 50% of people don't pay taxes?!

[beenthere]

The right understands that in this age of unlimited and anonymous contributions, money is direct influence. you cannot argue that Republicans intrangence on tax increases for the wealthy is hindering our country's return to normalcy.The hell I can't, that is where the jobs come from, what part of this are you failing to understand? You cannot argue that individual contributors are aware that their ROI on contributions to the Right is huge. You may try to argue this nonsesense about "job creators" but you yourself have stated that overseas accounts do not create domestic jobs. The only nonsense is your attempt at changing the debate from non taxpayers being pandered by the left into a contribution discussion!

A question cannot be "true", only the answer can be. Now did you ask a question or did you make a statement?

If what I say is untrue, give me some examples of the 47% of non tax paying Americans creating lobs!

 

[beenthere]

The truth hurts and there are a lot of people who don't want to hear it.
So Sad.

I rather hear the truth. Rather than some sugar coated lies. But, that's just me.

And they're pissed off for someone exposing the truth to boot!

 

[Fungus Gnat]

If what I say is untrue, give me some examples of the 47% of non tax paying Americans creating lobs!

Being a business major you surely know demand creates jobs, right?

 

[polyarcturus]

i dont pay taxes, but thats by choice, not that my non tax paying ass make a difference. but heres my point "why support something you dont want, or believe in?"

 

[Dr Kynes]

So im guessing you are gonna vote for mitt romney? You do realize that if he wins he plans on making cannabis illegal completely right? and whats wrong with obama helping the middle class?
You agree that the rich should get richer and the mid class should be poor? he believes in fair opportunity,i haven't seen too many people with that.Either way obama most likely win and if romney does say goodbye MJ and hello Anti-Christ.

romney cannot make cannabis any more illegal than it is now. he is running for President not Emperor.

obama has certainly helped the "Middle Class" and the "Upper Class" while fucking the "Working Class" with a broken champagne bottle.

the "Middle Class" is a euphemism, designed to convince you that the people he is talking about are hard working tradesmen, plumbers, auto mechanics and whatnot. the "Middle Class" are the guys who "work" in offices creating ad campaigns and moving forms from pile A to pile B. the "Middle Class" are the merchants, middle managers, bureaucrats, and mandarins. the guys with stock options, investment portfolios, retirement plans, summer homes in the catskills, and a BMW or mercedes in the driveway. those people are doing just fine, its the working poor, the rural poor, and the poor in general that get fucked by washington's fixation on the "Middle Class"

the rich will ALWAYS get richer, unless they are idiots and blow it all on their profligate lifestyle (MC Hammer, Paris Hilton, etc...) the "Middle Class" likewise doesnt need any special favours or handouts. they are doin pretty good already. the people who are drilled the hardest by the "Recession" (which from down here looks more like a depression) are the cats with NO capital. the poor cant simply "start their own business" despite the claims of amway, melaleuca and all the other pyramid schemers, nor can they simply will themselves into the position of being convenience store owners or carwash impresarios. most of us are tapped in dead end jobs scraping to get by, while the tax man takes a bigger bite every year through all the little taxes that the "Middle Class" doesnt consider bothersome.

why do you suppose wal-mart got so big? too many people down on the bottom, making life decisions over 15 cent coupons for rice. if everybody were as comfortably situated as the "Middle Class" wal-mart would go out of business.

 

[beenthere]

Being a business major you surely know demand creates jobs, right?

LOL Nice try, but my BS in business tells me supply can and does create jobs and demand!

 

[canndo]

I couldn't believe it when I found out there was a thing called Unearned Tax Credit. A person who makes nothing during the year can receive a tax refund check! So beyond not paying taxes they can actually collect money too. Hell ya they'll vote for Obama.

And of course there is a "well head depleation credit", meaning that if an oil company, who leases the land and rights from the government (us) at a very cheap rate, and pays very little in royalties (to us) will also pay less taxes because it is pumping oil out of the ground - the same oil that he is selling at a profit and getting a break because it does so.

Yay Romney!

An unearned tax credit is a credit for monies earned by means other than wages tips or salary.

It is not money given to people who don't work.

Unearned income is profits from the sale of stocks, bonds and investment properties, including homes and businesses. An unearned tax credit is a direct reduction in tax liability based on the unearned income received from these investments. The Internal Revenue Service provides several of these credits to encourage more consumers to invest in property and buy new homes.
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[Grandpapy]

If what I say is untrue, give me some examples of the 47% of non tax paying Americans creating lobs!

The way I understood the story was, of the 46% not paying any taxes, Corps. made up 60% of the total.

 

[Ringsixty]

I couldn't believe it when I found out there was a thing called Unearned Tax Credit. A person who makes nothing during the year can receive a tax refund check! So beyond not paying taxes they can actually collect money too. Hell ya they'll vote for Obama.

U Huh...yep..
This is what they call paying their fair share.
Shit, I pay Fed IncomeTaxes every year and get nothing back.
I don't even want to guess. How many people on RIU pay nothing in Fed taxes or gets a tax return for nothing.

The Tax system is beyond broken.

 

[canndo]

If what I say is untrue, give me some examples of the 47% of non tax paying Americans creating lobs!

Beenthere, a part of this conversation is my saying that republicans pander to the rich. You said that the rich make up only a small percentage of voters but they make up a huge percentage of contributions to candidates and representation and that is why the right panders to them.

Jobs do not come from rich people. Again I will reply to what you have previously said, offshore accounts don't produce domestic jobs - Do They.

Demand creates jobs. No rich person simply goes out and hires people just for the fun of it.

As I said, a question in itself is neither true nor false. The 47 percent "creates" jobs by exhibiting demand. They want toothpaste, toothpaste manufacturers ramp up production - and that is what "creates" jobs.

So the 47 percent are just as capable of creating jobs as any other group.

 

[canndo]

And they're pissed off for someone exposing the truth to boot!

Romney's "truth" is that he finds almost one half of the American public as being umimportant not only to his election but to the country itself.


You can see that can't you? Now do you agree with it?

 

[ink the world]

Supply can only create demand if there is a market. There is no spending because there isnt disposable income for many as there was in the past.

Enough of the tax breaks creating jobs, they don't; history tells us that. You can scream all you want but that does not change historical fact.

 

[beenthere]

And of course there is a "well head depleation credit", meaning that if an oil company, who leases the land and rights from the government (us) at a very cheap rate, and pays very little in royalties (to us) will also pay less taxes because it is pumping oil out of the ground - the same oil that he is selling at a profit and getting a break because it does so.

Yay Romney!

An unearned tax credit is a credit for monies earned by means other than wages tips or salary.

It is not money given to people who don't work.

Unearned income is profits from the sale of stocks, bonds and investment properties, including homes and businesses. An unearned tax credit is a direct reduction in tax liability based on the unearned income received from these investments. The Internal Revenue Service provides several of these credits to encourage more consumers to invest in property and buy new homes.
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Take a deep breath Canndo, winter woman's post was a typo, she meant "earned income"
Geeze!

 

[canndo]

U Huh...yep..
This is what they call paying their fair share.
Shit, I pay Fed Taxes every year and get nothing back.
I don't even want to guess. How many people on RIU pay nothing in Fed taxes or gets a tax return for nothing.

The Tax system is beyond broken.

Not only is this believed but it seems as though beenthere liked the original post.

 

[Fungus Gnat]

Supply can only create demand if there is a market. There is no spending because there isnt disposable income for many as there was in the past.

Enough of the tax breaks creating jobs, they don't; history tells us that. You can scream all you want but that does not change historical fact.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/16/opinion/sunday/do-tax-cuts-lead-to-economic-growth.html?_r=0

 

[canndo]

Take a deep breath Canndo, winter woman's post was a typo, she meant "earned income"
Geeze!

"I couldn't believe it when I found out there was a thing called Unearned Tax Credit. A person who makes nothing during the year can receive a tax refund check! So beyond not paying taxes they can actually collect money too. Hell ya they'll vote for Obama. "


Now please show me where someone who does not make anything during a year will get an "unearned tax credit".

 

[ink the world]

U Huh...yep..
This is what they call paying their fair share.
Shit, I pay Fed Taxes every year and get nothing back.
I don't even want to guess. How many people on RIU pay nothing in Fed taxes or gets a tax return for nothing.

The Tax system is beyond broken.

That credit is used by people like Romney, not people that haven't worked.

Maybe you 2 are confusing that with the Earned Income Credit, thats given to the working poor. If I remember correctly that came from Regan.

 

[beenthere]

Supply can only create demand if there is a market. There is no spending because there isnt disposable income for many as there was in the past.

Enough of the tax breaks creating jobs, they don't; history tells us that. You can scream all you want but that does not change historical fact.

Supply creates jobs, supply creates demand and supply creates the market.
You're reading the wrong history books my friend, unless you can post some proof where the poor and middle class create jobs that bolster the market!

 

[beenthere]

That credit is used by people like Romney, not people that haven't worked.

Maybe you 2 are confusing that with the Earned Income Credit, thats given to the working poor. If I remember correctly that came from Regan.

It's earned income credit not unearned and I assure you Romney does NOT get an earned income credit! LOL

 

[Fungus Gnat]

Supply creates jobs, supply creates demand and supply creates the market.
You're reading the wrong history books my friend, unless you can post some proof where the poor and middle class create jobs that bolster the market!

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-09-11/news/sns-201209111100--tms--amvoicesctnav-a20120911-20120911_1_middle-class-jobs-act-tax-cuts

Consumer spending is 70 percent of the nation's economic activity. Most of it comes from the middle class and those aspiring to join the middle class. They're the real job creators.