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Federal Judge Ok's AZ's *show me your papers* provision...

NLXSK1

Well-Known Member
because the constitution says immigration is the domain of the federal government, not jan brewer.

ever heard of the constitution, kiddo?
And the immigrants are handed over to ICE... Ever heard of due process kiddo?

Why are you not pissed off at ICE and the Federal Government for demanding people's papers? Oh, because right now the Federal Government is run by the Democrats... (thought I would help you out bucky)... If it was run by the Republicans then ICE would be the Anti-Christ.
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
And the immigrants are handed over to ICE... Ever heard of due process kiddo?

Why are you not pissed off at ICE and the Federal Government for demanding people's papers? Oh, because right now the Federal Government is run by the Democrats... (thought I would help you out bucky)... If it was run by the Republicans then ICE would be the Anti-Christ.
Why should I be
The feds and only the feds have the power over immigration
It is in the constitution
do you hate the constitution?
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
As I pointed out, the state simply hands them over to the Fed's.

How is that a contradiction in law?

You are no one's gift.
What else will Arizona take upon itself
Treaties, coining their own money, food stamps?

If I was president
I would pull all border patrol off of Arizonas border
 

NLXSK1

Well-Known Member
What else will Arizona take upon itself
Treaties, coining their own money, food stamps?

If I was president
I would pull all border patrol off of Arizonas border
You didnt even attempt to show how it is a conflict of the law...

*golfclaps*

Deflection, it is not just for breakfast anymore.
 

beenthere

New Member
Why should I be
The feds and only the feds have the power over immigration
It is in the constitution
do you hate the constitution?
States have a constitutional obligation to protect it's citizens ya fucking simpleton.

That's why AZ authorities turn illegal aliens over to ICE!

Get off the internat and your lazy ass and go paint your embarrassing looking house ya bum.
 

nontheist

Well-Known Member
This is really a commonsense issue, libtards that are arguing against this are not grasping reality. The more we ignore the issue the more problematic it becomes. Amnesty is an answer for illegals that have been here for years but amnesty doesn't fix the future problems if at some point you don't start enforcing strict penalties there is no end in sight.
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
The federal government is not doing its job thats why states like arizona have to do it.

That's why Duke of Puke...:roll:
That is why under Obama there has been a record amount of deportations
Border patrol has never been higher staffed nor funded
and the crime rate has gone down in Arizona for each year of the last 2 decades

The real kick in the ass is that almost half the safest cities in the USA are on the border with Mexico
and our border to the north is the worlds longest unsecured border
 

Total Head

Well-Known Member
in general i don't have a problem with being asked for "paperwork" whether it's license and registration or green card or whatever. what concerns me is the fact that brown people are an easy target, as in, "he's brown. i bet if i stop him i'll find SOMETHING to haul him in for." and if they find something, they use it to claim it was a "good stop" when in reality they just "had a hunch" that panned out. that is fucking dangerous.

if a guy runs a red light, fine. if you're going to just stop anyone for being suspiciously brown in a brown neighborhood and force them to empty their pockets and search their car and demand paperwork, you might as well just go door to door. ring their bell and ask for their papers. are they in the hospital? pay them a visit. i bet they've done SOMETHING wrong. go git 'em.

i feel the same about this as i feel about stop and frisk, sobriety checkpoints, and all the rest. we can't just let them cast a giant net just because they know they're in fishable waters. it's pretty much the gist of the entire bill of rights. everyone's all about rights until they realize it means they can't round up "undesirables". if someone is sooo horrible, there should be ample opportunity to arrest them legitimately, without relying on one's "gut".
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
Jan Brewer says "I dont know what an illegal immigrant looks like"

anyone of any color can be asked to prove they are a citizen. Do you carry your birth certificate, passport on you? If you cannot. The cops can haul you in. Which is a great way for them to get inside your car. Since they have to inventory the contents before they tow it
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
  • Mechelle Obama incistes that the government is responsable for small business success; she also informs us that he husband Obama is gearing up for another 4 years of "stimulus" for not the middle class but he willbe hand feeding the lower class and allowing all imagrants to live off of tax payer money> This sucks: Please Vote For Mitt Romney.
Is this the new southern strategy?
 

canndo

Well-Known Member
I dont need proof, I am a US citizen. I know my name, SSN, address & birth date. I will be happy to prove that I am a citizen if it ever comes up to law enforcement.

the right doesn't understand the fundamentals of their own Constitution.

I believe This law involves arrest or suspicion of another crime and not that of illegaly being in this country.

If that is so, fine, there is nothing wrong with the law. What you don't seem to understand however is the presumption of guilt implicit in demanding papers from anyone citizen or not in this country. And frankly this lack of understanding goes a long way toward explaining the usually anti-patriot anti-constitutional sentiment on the right.


It is simple, we are presumed innocent until prove guilty in a court of law and we are not required to prove that innocence. We required to bear whitness against ourselves.


When an officer suspects a citizen of being an illegal alien he is presuming that persons guilt and demanding that person prove his own innocence.

See how simple that is? asking for one's papers is unconstitutional in the United States and I fail to grasp how anyone who is a patriotic American who understands his fundamental, God given, protected rights could be for such a law.


BTW - This was prudent.
Bolton did, however, grant a preliminary injunction against a statute making it illegal to harbor individuals suspected of being in the country illegally.




 

canndo

Well-Known Member
Yes, because we all know that cops LOVE to waste their time detaining legal citizens and their bosses love them for it too!!


Here is a good idea, let us intrust our civil rights in the relative business of a particular law enforcement officer and how his boss reacts to the workload.
 
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