• Here is a link to the full explanation: https://rollitup.org/t/welcome-back-did-you-try-turning-it-off-and-on-again.1104810/

Is it really charitable giving when you are forced to donate?

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
Tithing always comes first in Mormonism. Any member who is struggling in any way (job loss, broken down car, depression, etc) will always be counseled to pay tithing in order to receive blessings. All blessings, privileges and callings in the LDS Church are centered around tithing. Without paying a full tithe, a member cannot be a “member in good standing”.

Mormons are required by Commandment of God to pay 10% of all their GROSS income to the LDS church. This includes all income, including, employment, social security, Medicare, food stamps and trust funds and any other form of income, even including finding money on the ground.

The Church Of Jesus-Christ of Latter-Day Saints brings in an estimated 6.5 to 7.0 billion dollars a year in annual tithing revenues. The Church refuses to disclose to the public or its members how much money it receives annually and what those funds are used for. Because the LDS Church is a tax-exempt organization, it does not have to publicly disclose financial books.

In 2005 the LDS Church purchased two shopping malls in Downtown Salt Lake City for $500 million dollars. The Church plans to spend $1 to $3.5 billion dollars renovating them. In official statements from LDS Church, the Church claims that not one dollar of member tithing funds went into the deal.

Mormons are required to attend a Tithing Settlement with the Bishop each year. A member is questioned in a one-on-one interview with the Bishop to ensure the member is paying a full 10%. Those members who are not paying a full 10% loose their temple recommends and are prevented from entering the Temple.

Mormons who loose their temple recommends are in serious jeopardy of loosing their Celestial blessings. A Mormon who does not pay tithing cannot enter the temple. If a member cannot get into the temple, the member cannot learn the secret handshake, secret password, secret "new name" and special “sealings”. Without these, the member will be unable to pass Joseph Smith and the angels who guard the entrance to the Celestial Kingdom.

Mormons are commanded that tithing must come first before anything else. Utah has the highest rate of bankruptcies in the United States. Mormons often are told "I cannot pay my bills until I've paid my tithing." Mormons will even pay their tithing rather than give the money to a relative who is on the verge of eviction. Mormon published magazines (Ensign, New Era) constantly stress that tithing must always be paid.

Recently, Mormon Senator Orrin Hatch passed legislation that allowed members to pay a full tithe even while they were in bankruptcy court. (See S. 4044).

Mormons are told: "if a destitute family is faced with the decision of paying their tithing or eating, they should pay their tithing." (Lynn Robbins, General Conference, April 2005).

Mormons who have not paid tithing will be denied a temple recommend and will be considered "unworthy". However; Mormons who pay "back-tithing" (some as much as $5000 or more) are instantly found to be worthy and can receive their temple recommends back once the money has been paid. The Mormon Church uses this as an extortion method when it comes to temple marriages. Parents or family members who have not paid tithing are required to pay back tithing - sometimes in the thousands of dollars - which must be paid before a temple recommend can be issued in order to see their own children married.

Mormons are further threatened that if they do not pay a full tithe, they will be burned with fire when Jesus Christ comes again. Mormons see Tithing as "fire insurance".

Mormons who claim that tithing is purely "a personal choice" are deceiving themselves and outright lying.
 

londonfog

Well-Known Member
Fuck a Mormon.... no offense to Carne Seca or Harry Reid...but fuck a church that thinks because of the color of my skin I'm cursed..WTF this shit helps with the sun helping to produce Vitamin D
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
This isnt about being anti mormon
This is about charity and how citing stats about charitable giving is crap
The states with the highest charitable giving are red states

Those states also have the highest church attendance

know what the number 1 state for charitable giving is?
Utah
want to know why?

Mormon church
 

londonfog

Well-Known Member
This isnt about being anti mormon
This is about charity and how citing stats about charitable giving is crap
The states with the highest charitable giving are red states

Those states also have the highest church attendance

know what the number 1 state for charitable giving is?
Utah
want to know why?

Mormon church
I still say fuck the Mormon church....What kind of church would have a policy to discriminant do to the color of ones skin
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
What is laughable is I "donate" money to church every year
To the tune of 2000 or more dollars

I also donate 20 hours a year to my church

I'm a fucking atheist
My kid goes to Catholic school and although it isn't mandatory
They keep track of it

I can buy out the hours for 400 bucks if I want

I also have a profit margin we have to meet on pizza, grapefruit etc sales

Now do I "donate" more than you?
 

Moses Mobetta

Well-Known Member
I still say fuck the Mormon church....What kind of church would have a policy to discriminant do to the color of ones skin
I really dislike Mormons, not just for that but mostly cause they are run by a bunch of horny old men who want have sex with young girls - you know pedophiles.
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
I really dislike Mormons, not just for that but mostly cause they are run by a bunch of horny old men who want have sex with young girls - you know pedophiles.
Different Mormon church sect

Same roots

The Romney strain of Mormonism is actually a big business that has tax exempt status
And they wont do anything to lose it

Including
Letting Blacks become full members finally in 1977
 

londonfog

Well-Known Member
What is laughable is I "donate" money to church every year
To the tune of 2000 or more dollars

I also donate 20 hours a year to my church

I'm a fucking atheist
My kid goes to Catholic school and although it isn't mandatory
They keep track of it

I can buy out the hours for 400 bucks if I want

I also have a profit margin we have to meet on pizza, grapefruit etc sales

Now do I "donate" more than you?
My wife is a "believer"...I'm agnostic. She tithes from our earnings . The church she attends does A LOT for the community. I support that.
 

nontheist

Well-Known Member
So are you libtards saying it better for religious pedophiles to molest boys? I see why you guys embrace Bucky so passionately.
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
My wife is a "believer"...I'm agnostic. She tithes from our earnings . The church she attends does A LOT for the community. I support that.
Only time we go to church as a family is when our daughter is involved or we need to drop off some money
tuition at my duaghters school is over 4 grand
But half of that is actually donations to the church that you make

Like I said
I probably give more in "charity" than the right wing than these right wing loons posting here
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
This isnt about being anti mormon
This is about charity and how citing stats about charitable giving is crap
The states with the highest charitable giving are red states

Those states also have the highest church attendance

know what the number 1 state for charitable giving is?
Utah
want to know why?

Mormon church
Not everyone in Utah is a Mormon.
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
I still say fuck the Mormon church....What kind of church would have a policy to discriminant do to the color of ones skin
Well then Fuck America too, it once practiced slavery, you better move to another country. You wouldn't want to be supportive of slavery now would you?

The Mormon church does not have a policy that discriminates against black folk.
 

londonfog

Well-Known Member
Well then Fuck America too, it once practiced slavery, you better move to another country. You wouldn't want to be supportive of slavery now would you?

The Mormon church does not have a policy that discriminates against black folk.
America was trying to change her ways long before 1978.
 

beenthere

New Member
Tithing always comes first in Mormonism. Any member who is struggling in any way (job loss, broken down car, depression, etc) will always be counseled to pay tithing in order to receive blessings. All blessings, privileges and callings in the LDS Church are centered around tithing. Without paying a full tithe, a member cannot be a “member in good standing”.

Mormons are required by Commandment of God to pay 10% of all their GROSS income to the LDS church. This includes all income, including, employment, social security, Medicare, food stamps and trust funds and any other form of income, even including finding money on the ground.

The Church Of Jesus-Christ of Latter-Day Saints brings in an estimated 6.5 to 7.0 billion dollars a year in annual tithing revenues. The Church refuses to disclose to the public or its members how much money it receives annually and what those funds are used for. Because the LDS Church is a tax-exempt organization, it does not have to publicly disclose financial books.

In 2005 the LDS Church purchased two shopping malls in Downtown Salt Lake City for $500 million dollars. The Church plans to spend $1 to $3.5 billion dollars renovating them. In official statements from LDS Church, the Church claims that not one dollar of member tithing funds went into the deal.

Mormons are required to attend a Tithing Settlement with the Bishop each year. A member is questioned in a one-on-one interview with the Bishop to ensure the member is paying a full 10%. Those members who are not paying a full 10% loose their temple recommends and are prevented from entering the Temple.

Mormons who loose their temple recommends are in serious jeopardy of loosing their Celestial blessings. A Mormon who does not pay tithing cannot enter the temple. If a member cannot get into the temple, the member cannot learn the secret handshake, secret password, secret "new name" and special “sealings”. Without these, the member will be unable to pass Joseph Smith and the angels who guard the entrance to the Celestial Kingdom.

Mormons are commanded that tithing must come first before anything else. Utah has the highest rate of bankruptcies in the United States. Mormons often are told "I cannot pay my bills until I've paid my tithing." Mormons will even pay their tithing rather than give the money to a relative who is on the verge of eviction. Mormon published magazines (Ensign, New Era) constantly stress that tithing must always be paid.

Recently, Mormon Senator Orrin Hatch passed legislation that allowed members to pay a full tithe even while they were in bankruptcy court. (See S. 4044).

Mormons are told: "if a destitute family is faced with the decision of paying their tithing or eating, they should pay their tithing." (Lynn Robbins, General Conference, April 2005).

Mormons who have not paid tithing will be denied a temple recommend and will be considered "unworthy". However; Mormons who pay "back-tithing" (some as much as $5000 or more) are instantly found to be worthy and can receive their temple recommends back once the money has been paid. The Mormon Church uses this as an extortion method when it comes to temple marriages. Parents or family members who have not paid tithing are required to pay back tithing - sometimes in the thousands of dollars - which must be paid before a temple recommend can be issued in order to see their own children married.

Mormons are further threatened that if they do not pay a full tithe, they will be burned with fire when Jesus Christ comes again. Mormons see Tithing as "fire insurance".

Mormons who claim that tithing is purely "a personal choice" are deceiving themselves and outright lying.
But the big difference between the LDS Church and the federal government is, you have a choice to be a Mormon, or not!
 

NLXSK1

Well-Known Member
Tithing always comes first in Mormonism. Any member who is struggling in any way (job loss, broken down car, depression, etc) will always be counseled to pay tithing in order to receive blessings. All blessings, privileges and callings in the LDS Church are centered around tithing. Without paying a full tithe, a member cannot be a “member in good standing”.

Mormons are required by Commandment of God to pay 10% of all their GROSS income to the LDS church. This includes all income, including, employment, social security, Medicare, food stamps and trust funds and any other form of income, even including finding money on the ground.

The Church Of Jesus-Christ of Latter-Day Saints brings in an estimated 6.5 to 7.0 billion dollars a year in annual tithing revenues. The Church refuses to disclose to the public or its members how much money it receives annually and what those funds are used for. Because the LDS Church is a tax-exempt organization, it does not have to publicly disclose financial books.

In 2005 the LDS Church purchased two shopping malls in Downtown Salt Lake City for $500 million dollars. The Church plans to spend $1 to $3.5 billion dollars renovating them. In official statements from LDS Church, the Church claims that not one dollar of member tithing funds went into the deal.

Mormons are required to attend a Tithing Settlement with the Bishop each year. A member is questioned in a one-on-one interview with the Bishop to ensure the member is paying a full 10%. Those members who are not paying a full 10% loose their temple recommends and are prevented from entering the Temple.

Mormons who loose their temple recommends are in serious jeopardy of loosing their Celestial blessings. A Mormon who does not pay tithing cannot enter the temple. If a member cannot get into the temple, the member cannot learn the secret handshake, secret password, secret "new name" and special “sealings”. Without these, the member will be unable to pass Joseph Smith and the angels who guard the entrance to the Celestial Kingdom.

Mormons are commanded that tithing must come first before anything else. Utah has the highest rate of bankruptcies in the United States. Mormons often are told "I cannot pay my bills until I've paid my tithing." Mormons will even pay their tithing rather than give the money to a relative who is on the verge of eviction. Mormon published magazines (Ensign, New Era) constantly stress that tithing must always be paid.

Recently, Mormon Senator Orrin Hatch passed legislation that allowed members to pay a full tithe even while they were in bankruptcy court. (See S. 4044).

Mormons are told: "if a destitute family is faced with the decision of paying their tithing or eating, they should pay their tithing." (Lynn Robbins, General Conference, April 2005).

Mormons who have not paid tithing will be denied a temple recommend and will be considered "unworthy". However; Mormons who pay "back-tithing" (some as much as $5000 or more) are instantly found to be worthy and can receive their temple recommends back once the money has been paid. The Mormon Church uses this as an extortion method when it comes to temple marriages. Parents or family members who have not paid tithing are required to pay back tithing - sometimes in the thousands of dollars - which must be paid before a temple recommend can be issued in order to see their own children married.

Mormons are further threatened that if they do not pay a full tithe, they will be burned with fire when Jesus Christ comes again. Mormons see Tithing as "fire insurance".

Mormons who claim that tithing is purely "a personal choice" are deceiving themselves and outright lying.
You have a problem with people voluntarily donating 10% to a church but not the federal government involuntarily confiscating 20%-40% of your income?
 
Top