All that you are saying is your research was not complete, or you would have provided proof that Mitt Romney did not pay part taxes in both Utah and Massachusetts, if I'm wrong, post it up my friend!
Looks like Harry Reid has gone to far this time.
- Thread starter Winter Woman
- Start date
canndo
Well-Known Member
This is not about paying partial or no taxes Beenthere, it is about the "that has been debunked" method of altering perception. Indeed it is incumbent on the person making a claim that they prove that claim when challenged (at least that is the way I play that game). My point is that saying "it was debunked" is not enough. I may well be saying that my research is not complete. In my mind this all has to do with his divulging of those taxes - which I will have to admit is a different tack then claiming that he lied.
Dr Kynes
Well-Known Member
no it is not.
ChesusRice
Well-Known Member
uhm yeah it is
and it's public record
Dr Kynes
Well-Known Member
I think you got off track a bit my friend. Go back and look at Bucky's original claim that Mitt Romney was not an income tax payer in Massachusetts, this is completely false. He paid income taxes in both states, which by the way is quite common. The only thing Mitt Romney did was amend his return and claimed his primary residence as Massachusetts, end of story in my opinion.
nontheist
Well-Known Member
What cracks me up about all this, is that with the money that Romney has his tax records per year are probably as thick as Obamacare. It is safe to assume he doesn't do his own taxes, he has a small team of CPA's that try and find every way to save him money legally. I know this pisses some leftwingers off but hows the expression go "don't hate the player hate the game"? You guys would be surprised of how many business make large purchases at the end of the year, you know why? Because the CPA tells them to, either we keep the money in the business or unclesame gets it. Anyone here that could save 300k a year by changing their state of residency would in a heart beat so lets not get too hypocritical.
canndo
Well-Known Member
Crank up a new thread and give me some time and I will site them - I caution you it takes some time. Last count there have been 88 different studies along those lines
canndo
Well-Known Member
I am not familiar enough with the details here to argue more than I have. (nor do I intend to be frankly Beenthere, this is a small point in the over all in this election and not one I will waste time with) but I understand your wish to be accurate and to have UB accurate as well - have at it.
canndo
Well-Known Member
Those of us who have complex tax situations do not begrudge Romeny's tax (avoidance?). Some are claiming that the left is claiming that because Romeny is now accused of having paid no taxes that he is a tax cheat. The contortions of that sentence alone are stunning btw. We who believe we are the enlightened and all wise porton of the left are not accusing Romney of any tax or IRS impropriety. Men as rich as romeny (and even those far less rich) usaully believe they are very powerful but they also acknowlege that they are not nearly as powerful as the U.S. IRS and know firstly that the IRS could break them and secondly that the IRS sees in these people a gold mine. I am quite sure that the IRS has very close eyes on Romney's records and that he is completely above board.
But this is not the real point. The point is that if he has used the tax code to exempt himself from paying taxes, or if he has used his vast wealth to dodge significant percentages of taxes then his entire "I want to be president because I want to help the middle class" argument fails, as, if the majority of the middle class pays more percentagewise in taxes than Romney does, he instantly loses most of his credibility.
It is clear from his actions that Romeny is a very tax sensitive man. My father was one as well, he considered it a fine game and would go to great lengths to avoid this tax or that. I grew up seeing how shrewd some of those anti-tax dances were. Romeny spent a year reducing the property tax on one of his homes that he paid a certain amount for but the value went down. He managed to have the property reasessed and got a break over 4 years of something like $40,000 dollars (forgive me if I don't get those figures quite right). To the majority of us, 40,000 seems like pocket change when one's wallet contains a quarter billion. Add to that the probable cost of his having an accountant and a lawyer represent him in this and Romney may have profited far less. But the effort is laudable, the man knows the value of a dollar and he has strong motivation - he hates to pay taxes.
I believe he said that if he did not do everything in his power to reduce his tax burden he didn't feel he deserved to be president - an indicator of what I am saying.
the problem is that his sucess in that area is one that in this singular case can do real damage to his narrative.
nontheist
Well-Known Member
I think you're missing the point. The left is putting way to much stock in Romney's tax returns for shaving taxes. American's are desensitized on the IRS and most of us have played our games or lied and cheated on them one way or another especially when it comes to cash transactions, for an example a bag of smoke. Its a bit hypocritical and most of us know it but please keep harping on it though, its starting to sound like a liberal birther movement.
canndo
Well-Known Member
Even the right is encouraging him to release his returns.
I can't remember hearing of a sitting president not releasing his college records when the public has requested it from him!
canndo
Well-Known Member
What president has been demanded to show their college records and to what end?
londonfog
Well-Known Member
In fact, most presidential candidates do not release their academic records
President George W. Bush's records at Yale became public only after they were leaked to The New Yorker in November 1999. Bush had declined to release his academic transcripts.
Romney hasn't
John McCain disclosed his class rank in 2007, but not the grades
Barack Hussein Obama for over 4 years, but still, they are sealed!
Most presidents have not had such a sketchy past as Obama.
But George Bush was pressured and he released them.
Even after being bombarded by the MSM, John McCain released his records and made his thesis public.
As for Barack Hussein Obama , it's been over 4 years and millions of Americans are curious, but still, they remain sealed!
canndo
Well-Known Member
Those of us who pay more than 15 percent of our income to the government care very much that a guy who claims to be interested in our plight is not paying his fair share. It is constantly touted that the rich do indeed pay their fair share, if we discover that they do not, we won't be happy. "most" of us do care. The only ones who profess not to are the ones who dispise Obama so much that they (as some have admitted) would vote for a pedophile or a horse or a dog rather than vote for Obama. This being the case, were the shoe on the other foot, I suspect that the right would be clamoring for . oh. day. Obama's tax returns.
I recall all of the Clinton investment scandals - it seems that the right cared very much how the Clintons made their money, but now you don't care.
chrishydro
Well-Known Member
The entire campaign and everyone associated with it has lot their minds. At this point I beleive nothing that comes out of that admin and cant wait till election day so we can just be done with it. I cant wait to see who Obama pardons before he leaves office. lol..