Induction lighting (general)

brotherjericho

brotherjericho

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This is a thread where we can talk about induction lighting technology without pimping certain brands. You can still talk about brands, but try not to make a sales pitch, please.

What is your experience? Was it worth the time/effort to try this other fluorescent technology? I think it has some promise, but I also believe that induction might be having some initial growing pains with people who want to sell certain companies' products as opposed to talking about the potential for the lights in growing.

My own personal plan is to try 2700k induction for flowering, and maybe even 6500k for vegging. I am going to try the 2700k first, and I hope to report back in the future on how this compares to LED and PLLs (another fluorescent technology).
 
brotherjericho

brotherjericho

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Just received information on the lamp and ballast I plan on ordering. Everything is UL listed, the only products they sell that are not UL listed are the self-ballasted screw-in induction bulbs.
 
PSUAGRO.

PSUAGRO.

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if your gonna go with a Chinese manufacturer, I would only suggest LVD.....one of the oldest and most reputable induction companies, great ballast efficiencies and good quality control on their bulbs.....good luck
 
brotherjericho

brotherjericho

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PSUAGRO. said:
if your gonna go with a Chinese manufacturer, I would only suggest LVD.....one of the oldest and most reputable induction companies, great ballast efficiencies and good quality control on their bulbs.....good luck
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Right now I am looking at an American company, but I am not sure where their products come from. I am trying to determine that. The company has been selling induction lighting for close to six years, and is not a "fly by night" operation.
 
brotherjericho

brotherjericho

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From what I can tell thus far, the company has used products from both LVD and YML (Yuan Ming Lighting) according to the fixture or application. These two look like the major players in China.
 
chazbolin

chazbolin

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dabig said:
I am totally sold on the Indo-gro but would love for there to be a cheaper option.
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Perhaps like has been done for LED there should be a sticky for; 'Induction Lamp Mfg's with Links'

In the interest of finding the best value I've done alot of research before deciding on growing with induction lighting and I would strongly recommend anyone considering this technology do the same. Look for;

The PAR spectrums (between 400-700 nanometers) the lamp emits based on the phosphors used are everything to make sure the lamp meets your methods and plants needs.

Does the lamp spectrum design require you to buy two lamps (one for veg and one for flower) as opposed to a broad spectrum that allows one lamp to take the plant from propagation thru flowering/bud?

How long is the warranty and where is the service done should I need repairs?

Make sure the lamp/driver is UL rated since the surface temperature of an EFDL @ the glass runs around 200 degrees F (93C) and the driver housings will run around 115 F (46C) then check it @ http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/index.html with a company name or the actual file number. If they do come up in the UL data base you're at least assured of the highest standards for safety compliance have been met.

Does the company discuss their products in terms of plant lighting and not kelvin, lux, footcandles or lumens?

How much PAR energy does the lamp produce (PAR Watts) and how much of that energy makes it to the canopy?

If they are merging or fusing a red and blue lamp together and promoting a veg and flowering spectrum stay away. It's a marketing gimmick that has literally nothing to with with veg or flowering PAR spectrums.

How is it in terms of housing and reflector design for canopy penetration?

What are it's physical size and weight?

Why some of these lights come with a glass cover for an indoor growing environment is a mystery to me but if the light comes with a glass cover is the manufacturer okay with you removing it and is it still protected under warranty?

What is the area of coverage and what are the recommended canopy to lamp measurements within that area?

How much heat does it produce in terms of BTU/hr. While EFDL lamps run an average of 3X cooler than HID you'll still want to know this so you can factor ventilating and cooling of the room.

Do they have any videos or comparison grows they can point you to?

Do they have a website devoted to their EFDL products for grow that goes into detail as to the technology and how it should be used for indoor gardening?

Does the unit come fully assembled and ready to use or do I have to do some assembly such as installing cord ends or installing a housing or reflector?

Is it rated for the supply voltage for my particular part of the world I'm planning on running them in?

Unit cost delivered after all shipping and handling.

Total unit cost should you have to buy additional materials to construct your own housing and reflector materials.

Does the company offer any quantity discounts?

Types of payment accepted. If they don't take cc, paypal or google merchant be very careful since other forms of payment like money orders or direct deposit can't be protested should you have a problem.
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The following links are for reference only as they are companies or sites I've come across that make an EFDL lamp for indoor growing applications. I'm not criticizing or endorsing any of them. They are not listed in any particular order or rank. Do your own research first before buying anything.

http://green-lightsolution.com/
http://www.inductionlamps.com/
http://www.growchief.com/
http://www.lightpros.us.com/
http://www.theteslaagency.com/#!home/mainPage
http://www.igrowlightsdist.com/
http://www.enviro-techlighting.com/d/par_max_efdl
http://www.hydroponicshut.com/bi-spectrum-plasma-induction-grow-lights.html
http://bluesky-growlights.com/purchase.html
http://www.greners.com/i/grow-lights/induction-lights.html
http://www.fluorogrow.com/
http://www.brotherhoodproducts.com/
http://sdhydroponics.com/lighting-accessories/induction-and-plasma-systems.html
http://www.hydroponics.com/news/expo.html

China Direct Induction Grow Lights:
http://www.chinaxqs.com/
http://www.nsllighting.cn/
http://www.mlandglobal.com/
http://www.yml.cc/en/Plant-Grow-Lighting.html
http://www.orientlantern.com/proshow.asp?flag=1&BigClassName=Indcution Lighting
http://en.lclighting.cn/
http://en.jolighting.com/main.html
http://www.lvd.cc/en/lvd/principle_63.html

Happy Growing!
 
C

cmantis

Member
Does anyone have any recommendations on specific models to order direct from China. I have had really good experiences purchasing LEDs direct and am interested in trying induction. Thanks.
 
xxEMOxx

xxEMOxx

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I am interested in too, as I have seen Induction for a couple years now, but no one I have seen tends to actually have their hands on a set and made a run or 3 with them yet.... I woulda figured in the 2+ years I have seen them someone must tried a couple cycles.

IT seems like nice solid technology and Tesla was a genius and well ahead of his time so yeah I have faith in it...

What I don't have is endless amounts of money to toss at the problem and run trial and error stuff until I find a good spectrum, manufacturer, brand, or etc.

Anyone have any hands-on feedback??
 
T

The Ganga farmer

Member
Iv been using my indagro 420s for a year now and will not turn back to hps. I use the same light for clone through flower and I'm lovin it as do my plants.buds are still big and hard and i belive that these light produce more resin because they IMO are less stressful I have a few pics in the indagro thread but not many. Search the indagro thread and look at Spliffs pics. It will show how well these lights can work. Induction lighting is a greener way to grow also.
 
Swiftowl11

Swiftowl11

Active Member
Bringing this old topic back up. I checked out all the links on inductions. I do want to go induction strictly for veg.

Anyone find any links where we can get a cheap alternative for this induction technology.

chazbolin said:
Perhaps like has been done for LED there should be a sticky for; 'Induction Lamp Mfg's with Links'

In the interest of finding the best value I've done alot of research before deciding on growing with induction lighting and I would strongly recommend anyone considering this technology do the same. Look for;

The PAR spectrums (between 400-700 nanometers) the lamp emits based on the phosphors used are everything to make sure the lamp meets your methods and plants needs.

Does the lamp spectrum design require you to buy two lamps (one for veg and one for flower) as opposed to a broad spectrum that allows one lamp to take the plant from propagation thru flowering/bud?

How long is the warranty and where is the service done should I need repairs?

Make sure the lamp/driver is UL rated since the surface temperature of an EFDL @ the glass runs around 200 degrees F (93C) and the driver housings will run around 115 F (46C) then check it @ http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/index.html with a company name or the actual file number. If they do come up in the UL data base you're at least assured of the highest standards for safety compliance have been met.

Does the company discuss their products in terms of plant lighting and not kelvin, lux, footcandles or lumens?

How much PAR energy does the lamp produce (PAR Watts) and how much of that energy makes it to the canopy?

If they are merging or fusing a red and blue lamp together and promoting a veg and flowering spectrum stay away. It's a marketing gimmick that has literally nothing to with with veg or flowering PAR spectrums.

How is it in terms of housing and reflector design for canopy penetration?

What are it's physical size and weight?

Why some of these lights come with a glass cover for an indoor growing environment is a mystery to me but if the light comes with a glass cover is the manufacturer okay with you removing it and is it still protected under warranty?

What is the area of coverage and what are the recommended canopy to lamp measurements within that area?

How much heat does it produce in terms of BTU/hr. While EFDL lamps run an average of 3X cooler than HID you'll still want to know this so you can factor ventilating and cooling of the room.

Do they have any videos or comparison grows they can point you to?

Do they have a website devoted to their EFDL products for grow that goes into detail as to the technology and how it should be used for indoor gardening?

Does the unit come fully assembled and ready to use or do I have to do some assembly such as installing cord ends or installing a housing or reflector?

Is it rated for the supply voltage for my particular part of the world I'm planning on running them in?

Unit cost delivered after all shipping and handling.

Total unit cost should you have to buy additional materials to construct your own housing and reflector materials.

Does the company offer any quantity discounts?

Types of payment accepted. If they don't take cc, paypal or google merchant be very careful since other forms of payment like money orders or direct deposit can't be protested should you have a problem.
--------------------------------------
The following links are for reference only as they are companies or sites I've come across that make an EFDL lamp for indoor growing applications. I'm not criticizing or endorsing any of them. They are not listed in any particular order or rank. Do your own research first before buying anything.

http://green-lightsolution.com/
http://www.inductionlamps.com/
http://www.growchief.com/
http://www.lightpros.us.com/
http://www.theteslaagency.com/#!home/mainPage
http://www.igrowlightsdist.com/
http://www.enviro-techlighting.com/d/par_max_efdl
http://www.hydroponicshut.com/bi-spectrum-plasma-induction-grow-lights.html
http://bluesky-growlights.com/purchase.html
http://www.greners.com/i/grow-lights/induction-lights.html
http://www.fluorogrow.com/
http://www.brotherhoodproducts.com/
http://sdhydroponics.com/lighting-accessories/induction-and-plasma-systems.html
http://www.hydroponics.com/news/expo.html

China Direct Induction Grow Lights:
http://www.chinaxqs.com/
http://www.nsllighting.cn/
http://www.mlandglobal.com/
http://www.yml.cc/en/Plant-Grow-Lighting.html
http://www.orientlantern.com/proshow.asp?flag=1&BigClassName=Indcution Lighting
http://en.lclighting.cn/
http://en.jolighting.com/main.html
http://www.lvd.cc/en/lvd/principle_63.html

Happy Growing!
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chazbolin

chazbolin

Well-Known Member
I don't know about a cheap alternative to induction unless you go with a different technology. Induction will be quite a bit more expensive initially but the costs are recovered in a single grow and after that it's money you would be shelling out to hydro shops and your friendly utility company that you won't be spending.

It's not weed but if want to see a live grow using a couple of broad spectrum veg-flower induction lamp grow you can see one at http://www.inda-gro.com/cam.html
 
Strobe

Strobe

Active Member
hey man how are you liking those 50watts from HH? Where did you go to find the E27 base socket?
 
SmokeYourOwn

SmokeYourOwn

Well-Known Member
I've been growing exclusively with induction bulbs for about a year now and have had good results. Don't focus too much on the color temp, ie 2700k, 6500k, etc. The PAR value of all induction bulbs is the closest you can get to actual sunlight.

Also, with all due respect for grow lighting companies, don't waste your money. Just buy the bulb and ballast from a general lighting company, I've bought from these two...
http://stores.bestingreensolutions.com/-strse-Induction-Lighting--dsh--Lamps-and-Ballasts/Categories.bok
http://www.gladiatorlighting.com/categories/light-bulbs/induction.html

I am growing 12/12 from seed and my plants still turn into monsters, I believe that's mostly due to the induction lamps...

Last grow at around 9 weeks from seed


Current grow around 7 weeks fs, the tall super haze is 5'...



I have two 50w and one 120w bulbs, cost me around $200 total, so less than $1/watt and much more usable spectrum.
 
captainmorgan

captainmorgan

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Ordered 3 120 watt LVD saturn 5000k induction lights tonight. If the induction light claims are right this 360 watts of induction should out perform 432 watts of HO T5 right? What kind of penetration should I get with a 120 watt induction light?

http://www.lvd.cc/en/
 
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