Teabaggers on social secuirty whining about food stamp recipients

[FlyLikeAnEagle]

Are you insinuating somebody else is responsible for your actions ? That would make you responsible for others actions too right? How does that happen?

Is that what you would tell your sick or disabled neighbor? Thanks for playing.

 

[canndo]

Community.

One of the resons we are realatively care free with regard to communicable diseases is because we have resistance in depth. We have an early warning system for pandemics. Our citizens are well innoculated, they are well fed. Our system of sanitation and purity of water all but precludes dozens of diseases that affect other countries. A part of your health depends upon the health of those around you. Now there are some who believe that they can take care of their own health and the health of those around them does not affect them but it is well proven that even an innoculated person is more at risk in an uninnoculated group.

In a culture or situation that has little in the way of medical order, no matter how endowed you personaly are, with availble doctors and hospitals and medicines, you are more likely to get sick and less likely to get better once you are sick. Pretend that you live well but those around you do not and they get disintery regularly, pretend that only patients who can afford treatment of malaria get that treatment and further pretend that you only pay to have the swamp in your neighborhood cleared of insects. you have a higher chance of contracting that same disease.

Let the sick fall it they cannot afford to pay or if charity does not suffice, do not pay for sanitation other than your own, pay no heed to any but yourself, we need not care for the others in our society because they have no affect on us directly and we are responsible only for ourselves.

In every instance where this particular social order collapses, both the rich (those who do not simply leave for a place where that order is still in existence) and the poor and the middle class all suffer. This is an example of why we pay not for those who cannot manage their resources, but for order.

 

[ginwilly]

Is that what you would tell your sick or disabled neighbor? Thanks for playing.

I have an emotional attachment to my neighbor and will help directly. I know not why a person in Oregon needs my help and knowing the abuse of the system that occurs can make a safe assumption that it's more of a want than a need or it's a need because of the system, not in spite of it.

 

[ginwilly]

Well said Canndo, you must really hate what passed as health care reform too then. Because it doesn't do any of this well.

 

[ginwilly]

Hey I like your idea, I'm a little short being able to make my $3000 a month mortgage payment due to having to pay for my kids hospital bills. Can ya cover it for me for the next few months?

not monetarily but I'll help you set up payments to the hospital if you need it.

 

[ChesusRice]

Okay maybe I misunderstood. I'm beating the same drum I always do...government intervention is not needed, they should get out of all forced redistribution, social security, welfare etc. all of it.

Old people need to die faster so we can aquire their assets at rock bottom prices

This is the natural order of things and what made the USA great

100 years ago Old people died of preventable diseases before they became a burden on us

(everything above is either facetious or sarcasm you choose)

 

[canndo]

Well said Canndo, you must really hate what passed as health care reform too then. Because it doesn't do any of this well.

It is a start, a start that no Republican has even attempted. In evidence is the fact that republicans had all branches of government and did nothing about health care - as though, imagine this, they didn't think it needed fixing. Then, when the Dems decided to attempt to do something yet again, only then did Republicans conceed that perhaps there was something wrong and they offered up some weak assed market based approach to change. Now, rather than deciding to build upon a system that their own members at one time claimed was reasonable, they would rather tear it down and replace it with? Nothing.

No, I would rather have seen a single payer approach because I see absolutly no contribution from insurance companies. It does nothing well, but at least it does something.

But I posted that as example of community and why it is not now, nor has it ever been about taking from the rich and giving to the poor. It has always been about insuring order.

 

[ChesusRice]

It is a start, a start that no Republican has even attempted. In evidence is the fact that republicans had all branches of government and did nothing about health care - as though, imagine this, they didn't think it needed fixing. Then, when the Dems decided to attempt to do something yet again, only then did Republicans conceed that perhaps there was something wrong and they offered up some weak assed market based approach to change. Now, rather than deciding to build upon a system that their own members at one time claimed was reasonable, they would rather tear it down and replace it with? Nothing.

No, I would rather have seen a single payer approach because I see absolutly no contribution from insurance companies. It does nothing well, but at least it does something.

But I posted that as example of community and why it is not now, nor has it ever been about taking from the rich and giving to the poor. It has always been about insuring order.

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You are wrong on this
Obamacare is a Republican Idea
In Clintons First term the Republicans introduce "obamacare" as an alternative to universal coverage which is what Bill and Hillary Clinton were advocating
THIS was the republicans reaction 20 years ago
Let me know if this sounds familiar

December 2, 1993 - Leading conservative operative William Kristol
privately circulates a strategy document to Republicans in Congress. Kristol
writes that congressional Republicans should work to "kill" -- not amend -- the
Clinton plan because it presents a real danger to the Republican future: Its
passage will give the Democrats a lock on the crucial middle-class vote and
revive the reputation of the party. Nearly a full year before Republicans will
unite behind the "Contract With America," Kristol has provided the rationale and
the steel for them to achieve their aims of winning control of Congress and
becoming America's majority party. Killing health care will serve both ends. The
timing of the memo dovetails with a growing private consensus among Republicans
that all-out opposition to the Clinton plan is in their best political interest.
Until the memo surfaces, most opponents prefer behind-the-scenes warfare largely
shielded from public view. The boldness of Kristol's strategy signals a new turn
in the battle. Not only is it politically acceptable to criticize the Clinton
plan on policy grounds, it is also politically advantageous. By the end of 1993,
blocking reform poses little risk as the public becomes increasingly fearful of
what it has heard about the Clinton plan.


http://www.pbs.org/newshour/forum/may96/background/health_debate_page2.html

 

[ginwilly]

an interesting read for the conspiracy theorists is the Cloward-Piven Strategy.

The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward (1926–2001) and Frances Fox Piven (b. 1932) that called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a national system of "a guaranteed annual income and thus an end to poverty"


This was pointed out by the nutbag Glenn Beck so I brushed it off. The massive increase in foodstamps does make me wonder though. The two were professors at Columbia.

 

[BA142]

an interesting read for the conspiracy theorists is the Cloward-Piven Strategy.

The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward (1926–2001) and Frances Fox Piven (b. 1932) that called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a national system of "a guaranteed annual income and thus an end to poverty"


This was pointed out by the nutbag Glenn Beck so I brushed it off. The massive increase in foodstamps does make me wonder though. The two were professors at Columbia.

Oh please...we piss away WAY more money on our defense budget. Republican's just like to pretend that welfare is the only thing causing the economic troubles.

You wonder why there's an increase in food stamps? Because of the recession that started in late 2007...and the numbers have been steadily rising since then. Blame Obama all you want but he wasn't in office when the recession started.

 

[ginwilly]

you must not be aware of the "push" for foodstamps, that's what I'm referring to. People in WV, some of the poorest people were turning them down because of their own pride. They had to be convinced to take them by letting them know they could purchase seeds for their gardens.

The increase is most definitely NOT entirely because of the recession. The happy foodstamp commercials could very well be an attempt to remove the stigma but you can't deny the effort to increase rolls.

 

[Rob Roy]

Is that what you would tell your sick or disabled neighbor? Thanks for playing.

It depends. One of my neighbors has put people in jail for growing illegal plants. It's doubtful I'd assist him. Other neighbors I voluntarily assist on a regular basis. Not all neighbors are the same.

 

[Rob Roy]

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You are wrong on this
Obamacare is a Republican Idea
In Clintons First term the Republicans introduce "obamacare" as an alternative to universal coverage which is what Bill and Hillary Clinton were advocating
THIS was the republicans reaction 20 years ago
Let me know if this sounds familiar

December 2, 1993 - Leading conservative operative William Kristol
privately circulates a strategy document to Republicans in Congress. Kristol
writes that congressional Republicans should work to "kill" -- not amend -- the
Clinton plan because it presents a real danger to the Republican future: Its
passage will give the Democrats a lock on the crucial middle-class vote and
revive the reputation of the party. Nearly a full year before Republicans will
unite behind the "Contract With America," Kristol has provided the rationale and
the steel for them to achieve their aims of winning control of Congress and
becoming America's majority party. Killing health care will serve both ends. The
timing of the memo dovetails with a growing private consensus among Republicans
that all-out opposition to the Clinton plan is in their best political interest.
Until the memo surfaces, most opponents prefer behind-the-scenes warfare largely
shielded from public view. The boldness of Kristol's strategy signals a new turn
in the battle. Not only is it politically acceptable to criticize the Clinton
plan on policy grounds, it is also politically advantageous. By the end of 1993,
blocking reform poses little risk as the public becomes increasingly fearful of
what it has heard about the Clinton plan.


http://www.pbs.org/newshour/forum/may96/background/health_debate_page2.html

Obamacare is an AUTHORITARIAN idea. Don't be fooled by the color of the wrapper. It doesn't matter if it is blue or red.

 

[canndo]

Obamacare is an AUTHORITARIAN idea. Don't be fooled by the color of the wrapper. It doesn't matter if it is blue or red.

Forcing people to pay for their eventual use of services is authoritarian?

 

[Rob Roy]

Forcing people to pay for their eventual use of services is authoritarian?

You are almost there, but not quite. It is perfectly legitimate to expect payment for a service that is consensually contracted for and agreed upon. It is COERCIVE to extract payment for an alleged "service" where the person does not want or use the so called service.

 

[canndo]

You are almost there, but not quite. It is perfectly legitimate to expect payment for a service that is consensually contracted for and agreed upon. It is COERCIVE to extract payment for an alleged "service" where the person does not want or use the so called service.

And here we go again. So if I "force' you to pay for fire services, even though you claim you won't need them, even though you claim you don't want them, I am coercing you right? Never mind that if your house catches fire and the fire department doesn't come for lack of payment, MY house could catch fire from yours?

 

[ChesusRice]

You are almost there, but not quite. It is perfectly legitimate to expect payment for a service that is consensually contracted for and agreed upon. It is COERCIVE to extract payment for an alleged "service" where the person does not want or use the so called service.

Yeah tell that person having a coronary in the ER that they dont need or want the ER services

 

[tranka32]

Food stamps are not only an entitlement program they actually help to stimulate the economy. ' http://money.cnn.com/2008/01/29/news/economy/stimulus_analysis/index.htm

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- As Congress and the White House consider a $150 billion stimulus package that includes tax rebates and tax incentives for business, a report released Tuesday suggests that other methods would do a better job of infusing money into the flagging economy and doing it fast.
The industry research firm Moody's Economy.com tracked the potential impact of each stimulus dollar, looking at tax rebates, tax incentives for business, food stamps and expanding unemployment benefits.
The report found that "some provide a lot of bang for the buck to the economy. Others ... don't," said economist Mark Zandi.
In findings echoed by other economists and studies, he said the study shows the fastest way to infuse money into the economy is through expanding the food-stamp program. For every dollar spent on that program $1.73 is generated throughout the economy, he said.
"If someone who is literally living paycheck to paycheck gets an extra dollar, it's very likely that they will spend that dollar immediately on whatever they need - groceries, to pay the telephone bill, to pay the electric bill," he said.

 

[Dr Kynes]

Not SSI, which seems to be what some of those people are on.

and some people on general assistance programs are black. shall we now begin a delightful round of name calling and cross burning?

a retarded post on a retarded forum full of random anonymous douches does not warrant your extreme case of terminal butthurt, nor the creation of yet another thread about how evil everyone who disagrees with you might be.

anyone who starts off their discourse with an unfounded blanket statement of supposition (and a poorly crafted one at that) about an entire group, while simultaneously parroting a presumably derogatory name for the group in question is beneath contempt.

you may also be interested to know the term tea baggers is not particularly insulting to the persons at whom the comment is directed. the term was crafted by rachel maddow and others to insinuate sexual deviance on the part of the protestors. they thought they were clever but then they also thought "maccacca" was a racial slur. and desperately attempted to frame it as such. its a body of water between several islands in the indonesian archipelago.

if only he had said malacca. then we would have lulz

tldr,

stfu dingbat. fail troll fails.

 

[Dr Kynes]

Food stamps are not only an entitlement program they actually help to stimulate the economy. ' http://money.cnn.com/2008/01/29/news/economy/stimulus_analysis/index.htm

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- As Congress and the White House consider a $150 billion stimulus package that includes tax rebates and tax incentives for business, a report released Tuesday suggests that other methods would do a better job of infusing money into the flagging economy and doing it fast.
The industry research firm Moody's Economy.com tracked the potential impact of each stimulus dollar, looking at tax rebates, tax incentives for business, food stamps and expanding unemployment benefits.
The report found that "some provide a lot of bang for the buck to the economy. Others ... don't," said economist Mark Zandi.
In findings echoed by other economists and studies, he said the study shows the fastest way to infuse money into the economy is through expanding the food-stamp program. For every dollar spent on that program $1.73 is generated throughout the economy, he said.
"If someone who is literally living paycheck to paycheck gets an extra dollar, it's very likely that they will spend that dollar immediately on whatever they need - groceries, to pay the telephone bill, to pay the electric bill," he said.

i can pay my phone and electric bills with foodstamps? awesome!!

be les credulous. the economists politicians and eunuchs in washington know less about the real world than paris hilton, and are almost as desperate to get their names in print. it wont be long before TMZ becomes the new "newspaper of record."