Ok to "not" support our troops?

SirGreenThumb

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a lkot of us grew up with the idea that america was always right crammed into our heads. i was heartbroken when i couldnt join the marines, it had been my goal since i was 8 years old. i pressured my uncle into training me to shoot, and give me daily PT, so i would be ready to join as soon as i could get my mom to sign the release form.

all my cousins were brought up the same way, shit even my mother served as a nurse in korea. it was a family tradition of military service. if i had the chance i would sign up now. but recruiters tell me they dont need old fat cripples, even if they can shoot real good. people who join the service do it not as the press tells you, because they got nothing else, not because they are stupid, and not because they are brainwashed. some of us were raised to WANT to serve.

the hippie dippy dingbats, the ME generation and the mindless MTV generation dont get that, all they see is low pay, hard work and dangerous conditions.

if i had been able to join, then i might have regretted having to follow the orders and carry out the policies of bush clinton bush again and eventually barry seotoro, but i would not regret joining, and none of my cousins did either.

my uncle did 3 hard tours in 'nam, and came back a little... odd... (buddhist pot growing survivalist with a weird passion for exotic weaponry) but even he didnt regret service.

when he got back to the US he told me stories of douches who would throw shit at him from their cars if he wore his uniform on the street, shouted curses from hippies, and rejection by the VFW for several years.

anybody who pisses on a vet for bein a vet deserves the asswhoopin he gets. you may not like the policies they caarried out, but theres a good bet they hated the policies too. differnce is, they didnt shrink from the hard choices.
Sorry you didn't get to serve when you wanted it so badly I know that must have been a kick in the teeth to your family name.
I also knew an ex marine that I used to work with at GM. He was a little odd and I heard all kinds of stories, even the one you just mentioned about how they got treated after returning.
I also was going to join the marines to be a sniper but I chose otherwise for my own personal reasons. I have a previous post stating why. I love firearms and I love to shoot and am really good at it. Guess that's why I am an avid deer hunter. I don't have no ill feeling toward our service men and women. Just the people that tell them what to do.
 

VILEPLUME

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I haven't read the whole thread, but I gotta say, this is pretty fucked up.

Why would you ever think saying "fuck the troops" is justified? Fuck the goverment, sure, but fuck the troops?
I have the highest respect for people like my grandfather who fought in WWII and helped push back the Nazis from controlling most of Europe. But since then...all the wars started by the U.S.A have been bullshit wars and everyone knows it. And these wars do not get fought unless people join up, and fight and die for...what? So the government can control oil fields, poppy fields...does anyone really know?

So yeah...in the same way we harass and say fuck you to Nazis troops for them helping to fight a useless war. I also say fuck the American troops fighting useless wars as well. If I am under a leader and I know what I am fighting is wrong, I should be held just as accountable. If I was hired to kill your family by the government, would you just hate the government?
 
if you don't like america. GET THE FUCK OUT! seriously.. alls troops do is give and they don't ask for much in return. if you don't like them go join the taliban you whiny little bitch
 

canndo

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"support our troops" is just politicaly correct bullshit perpetrated by the right. We are supposed to thank every soldier for their service, other than that, like oh, not getting them into wars unless they actually protect us, or giving them the equipment they need or the medical facilities they deserve or even the pay that they require , or not claiming that the diseases they get overseas are not valid (how long did we support our troops by claiming that agent orange didn't have an effect on their health?)is not, in the ideology of the right - "supporting our troops", all we have to do is be PC and thank them.
 

chrishydro

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I have the highest respect for people like my grandfather who fought in WWII and helped push back the Nazis from controlling most of Europe. But since then...all the wars started by the U.S.A have been bullshit wars and everyone knows it. And these wars do not get fought unless people join up, and fight and die for...what? So the government can control oil fields, poppy fields...does anyone really know?

So yeah...in the same way we harass and say fuck you to Nazis troops for them helping to fight a useless war. I also say fuck the American troops fighting useless wars as well. If I am under a leader and I know what I am fighting is wrong, I should be held just as accountable. If I was hired to kill your family by the government, would you just hate the government?
Agree this thread sucks, started by some punk, I looked at all his comments on other threads he is a young punk sitting at home with no fucking life at all. I would bet the little bastard has never even cast a vote in his life. Go look at some of the shit he types on threads, real and true idiot for sure.
 
Nothing to do with the useless wars? I'd respectfully disagree. They're surely compliant. They have everything to do with the useless wars. You're correct in informing him there may be bigger fish to fry, but he can't tackle the power structure, so I'd say his distaste is spot on. Though... missnu probably got the message dead on. (Even if it solicited a laugh from me.) "Pity the troops."
 
Its sad. These guys put their life on the line and you say "fuck em"

You may not support the policy makers, which is definatly understandable. But to straight up say fuck the troops, you need to leave the country. You arnt deserving of the men who have died for your security.

Not deserving of the men who have died for your security? Wha-?

He is absolutely deserving of his citizenship & right to express his thoughts. Freedom of speech is not conditional. You're guaranteed that here, no matter what, even if people get their feelings hurt when you express yourself.
 

VILEPLUME

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Not deserving of the men who have died for your security? Wha-?

He is absolutely deserving of his citizenship & right to express his thoughts. Freedom of speech is not conditional. You're guaranteed that here, no matter what, even if people get their feelings hurt when you express yourself.
I agree.

Are we not on an internet forum? Is this the first time someone has said something to you that you dont agree with?

I dont agree with giving todays troops respect and that is my own thoughts. If you want to continue to support and pay these soldiers for doing...who knows what really...then go right ahead.

But the saddest truth is, we wouldn't need all this bullshit security if we never started all these fucking wars in the first place.
 

Dr.Drunken

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I think I got to the point where I cant stand this "you have show respect for our troops" moto. Says who?

"Oh, they are fighting a war for your freedom". Are they really?

While I would love to go into a big "Iraq/Afgan" war rant, I just want to vent a little and say "fuck our troops". Actually im going to put it on one of those stupid ribbons for the back of my car that says that.

"You cant do that, you'll get shot" Really? Now I have to worry about my freedom of speech from my own people? Why do I have to be fearful to disagree on this issue?

Also all the people that I know that are "troops" joined because they needed money or education. Not the selfless act of "fighting for our freedom".

So yeah, I'm not scared anymore, fuck our troops and fuck these useless wars.


Hey budds, Fuck You
 

mysunnyboy

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I think I got to the point where I cant stand this "you have show respect for our troops" moto. Says who?

"Oh, they are fighting a war for your freedom". Are they really?

While I would love to go into a big "Iraq/Afgan" war rant, I just want to vent a little and say "fuck our troops". Actually im going to put it on one of those stupid ribbons for the back of my car that says that.

"You cant do that, you'll get shot" Really? Now I have to worry about my freedom of speech from my own people? Why do I have to be fearful to disagree on this issue?

Also all the people that I know that are "troops" joined because they needed money or education. Not the selfless act of "fighting for our freedom".

So yeah, I'm not scared anymore, fuck our troops and fuck these useless wars.
how do you think your life would be without them?
my grandfather walked with the tanks after storming the beach
my uncle died in the jungles of se asia
my nephew is a new marine
you obviously have never had a soldier friend or relative
asshole :peace:
 

missnu

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The word "pity" rubs me the wrong way, it's condescending, like you are so much better than the soldier. So I looked it up and pity is accurate in describing what you mean but is described today as somewhat arrogant. Maybe sympathy would be a better word? Or you have pity on them as inferior to you?

So the way I used it is right, but hits the ear wrong? or it really is wrong...
I don't pity them that they are lower than me...
I feel badly for what they went through to get only whatever they got...
So I feel like pity is right, but not like bad pity, but just sad pity...
 

missnu

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Aww man..the worst thing is the soldier right after he gets his red white and blue glasses knocked off...when/if they realize just what their life was worth and being used for!
 

missnu

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The word "pity" rubs me the wrong way, it's condescending, like you are so much better than the soldier. So I looked it up and pity is accurate in describing what you mean but is described today as somewhat arrogant. Maybe sympathy would be a better word? Or you have pity on them as inferior to you?
and uhhh, I was raised by my grandparents, so a lot of my word usage is somewhat antiquated...Not with the hip new slang and all that jazz.
 

Wordz

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how do you think your life would be without them?
my grandfather walked with the tanks after storming the beach
my uncle died in the jungles of se asia
my nephew is a new marine
you obviously have never had a soldier friend or relative
asshole :peace:
our lives would be fine if your relatives were never in the military... You can't really think your uncle died for our freedom in Nam do ya?
 

missnu

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So while I am young-ish, I speak in an older style?---I don't know what it is called, I mean it isn't a dialect, I guess just the words I choose to use are old? I like old words? I feel they were here first and are thusly more suited to convey my thoughts and feelings precisely the way I think and feel them. I have just known quite a few soldiers for various reasons, in all different branches, and the happiest ones are the ones that buy into all the fighting to end oppression and set people free line...The angry ones are the ones that aren't getting brainwashed properly...I knew one as well that was happy shooting at or blowing up whatever he was told, simply for the joy of shooting or blowing up...I knew one that joined to release his meanness somewhere else where it would be more accepted, knew 2 that joined for the college, one that joined because they were broke with nowhere to turn, and one that joined to fight for his country's freedoms only to find himself a pawn in someone else's castle.
 

missnu

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So while I am young-ish, I speak in an older style?---I don't know what it is called, I mean it isn't a dialect, I guess just the words I choose to use are old? I like old words? I feel they were here first and are thusly more suited to convey my thoughts and feelings precisely the way I think and feel them. I have just known quite a few soldiers for various reasons, in all different branches, and the happiest ones are the ones that buy into all the fighting to end oppression and set people free line...The angry ones are the ones that aren't getting brainwashed properly...I knew one as well that was happy shooting at or blowing up whatever he was told, simply for the joy of shooting or blowing up...I knew one that joined to release his meanness somewhere else where it would be more accepted, knew 2 that joined for the college, one that joined because they were broke with nowhere to turn, and one that joined to fight for his country's freedoms only to find himself a pawn in someone else's castle.
Oh, my dad and both my uncles join the Navy to get away from my grandmother...which oddly enough I think the majority of people join just to get away from home...
 

canndo

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No, but it doesn't change the fact that this person died...

Electricity linemen lose their lives in the service of their fellow citizens, they risk their lives tending to our electricity infrastructure without which our lives would be considerabley poorer - and less "free". I don't see anyone lauding them for their service.
 
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