Nonbelievers, how did you lose your religion?

[Hepheastus420]

Did it really tho.. how would u feel living in captivity?

A hell of alot better than living in the wilderness struggling for life.

 

[Kaendar]

I notice many coerellations with people that lose their religions. I'll refrain myself from saying them since I can think of two people that would take it offensively. I noticed many with myself. One of them is my spelling. It seems to have improved alot. Another is my thinking proccess. I put alot more thought into everything than I did before.

Did your sister go through a hard time? What does she think about her youth group now? If my sister gets mad at me for something that has to do with religion or if she's curious about my views when she's older, I'll let her know what I believe (or don't believe).

Funny how you guys convince yourselves of that. Most atheists I know are assholes and seem to hate everyone but themselves. I was once neighbors with an avid atheist, who every morning would try and come out and prove everybody wrong about some bullshit. Most atheists I know enjoy being atheists because they get a hard on everytime they can present their "logic" to someone and feel superior. On the other hand, every person I know from my old church is loving, caring, humble, doesnt like confrontation or revenge, and ready to give up everything to help the next person, even an atheist. All the homeless shelters and missions are run by religious people. Alot of the youth after school programs are run by religious people. It seems to me that religious people try and make the world a better place, while atheists call them dumbasses over the computer. I have never once in my life seen an atheist commit one charitable or otherwise selfless act for a stranger.

 

[Kaendar]

A hell of alot better than living in the wilderness struggling for life.

You are wrong about that.. when animals are in captivity and not in their natural environment it causes a great deal of stress. From a rabbit to a lizard.

 

[Kaendar]

The horse you sit on is becoming more apparent. It was always apparent actually. Even when more well spoken individuals present a good argument you act like what they say doesnt matter, convinced that only your point of view can be right and you simply dismiss what they have to say. Your more big headed than that ugly guy in your avatar with the five head... So to have a spiritual mod to look after the SPIRITUALITY, Sexuality, and Philosophy forum would be unfair? Someone to bring balance to this subforum of nut hugging know it all atheists is unfair? Compared to a stone cold materialist whos apparent goal is to try and convince believers that they'er thinking irrationally and shouldnt have their beliefs? I dont care if anyone questions god, I dont think I even argued god here. Its the fact that its his GOAL to try and convince believers that their beliefs are irrational, in what way is that different from a crazy christian trying to recruit followers to christ? Please, tell me. As a mod, its not his job to convince believers that the concept of "spirit" is irrational, because hes a fucking spirituality mod. Why do you even need to question our spiritual beliefs anyways? We know what you think, we heard atheists our whole lives saying that believing in god is stupid, if they dont change our views, what makes you think you can? The only reason I can think of that you band of nut hugging know-it-all question spiritual beliefs is to boost your already soaring ego, to further convince you that theists are mentally superior and that you have a better grasp on reality than they do. You are not changing anything with your blow hard responses against spiritual beliefs, give it up already.

Exactly what im saying. Why keep trying to prove we are wrong? Its a waste of time.

 

[Heisenberg]

Funny how you guys convince yourselves of that. Most atheists I know are assholes and seem to hate everyone but themselves. I was once neighbors with an avid atheist, who every morning would try and come out and prove everybody wrong about some bullshit. Most atheists I know enjoy being atheists because they get a hard on everytime they can present their "logic" to someone and feel superior. On the other hand, every person I know from my old church is loving, caring, humble, doesnt like confrontation or revenge, and ready to give up everything to help the next person, even an atheist. All the homeless shelters and missions are run by religious people. Alot of the youth after school programs are run by religious people. It seems to me that religious people try and make the world a better place, while atheists call them dumbasses over the computer. I have never once in my life seen an atheist commit one charitable or otherwise selfless act for a stranger.

Atheist Centre of India
An atheist charity organization helping people since the 1940s. supports intercaste marriages and actively works to end child marriages and caste separation. The also provide aid to women in distress such as single mothers and prostitutes and promote equality of the sexes.

Foundation Beyond Belief
atheist charity which launched January 1, 2010. Each quarter Foundation Beyond Belief features five charitable organizations. Members can choose which cause or causes to support from the featured causes.

EARTHWARD, Inc.
Atheist group that provides humanitarian aid for victims of religious conflicts

Fellowship of Freethought
organizes blood drives, collects food for local food banks, participates in holiday toy drives for needy children, and collects donations for deployed soldiers.

Atheist Relief Fund
Atheist Relief Fund is currently raising money to help earthquake victims in Haiti.

Atheists Helping the Homeless
Atheists providing small comforts to homeless people

Secular Center USA
Performs various secular volunteer activities including food bank donations, Humane Society Dog Walk, and aiding local animal shelters.

The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation
A giant charity organization which performs relief efforts, fights poverty and disease, spreads education, and provides medical assistance to people in need. The Gates Foundation's efforts to fight malaria and AIDS in Africa are of unparalleled scope.

 

[Kaendar]

Atheist Centre of India
An atheist charity organization helping people since the 1940s. supports intercaste marriages and actively works to end child marriages and caste separation. The also provide aid to women in distress such as single mothers and prostitutes and promote equality of the sexes.

Foundation Beyond Belief
atheist charity which launched January 1, 2010. Each quarter Foundation Beyond Belief features five charitable organizations. Members can choose which cause or causes to support from the featured causes.

EARTHWARD, Inc.
Atheist group that provides humanitarian aid for victims of religious conflicts

Fellowship of Freethought
organizes blood drives, collects food for local food banks, participates in holiday toy drives for needy children, and collects donations for deployed soldiers.

Atheist Relief Fund
Atheist Relief Fund is currently raising money to help earthquake victims in Haiti.

Atheists Helping the Homeless
Atheists providing small comforts to homeless people

Secular Center USA
Performs various secular volunteer activities including food bank donations, Humane Society Dog Walk, and aiding local animal shelters.

The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation
A giant charity organization which performs relief efforts, fights poverty and disease, spreads education, and provides medical assistance to people in need. The Gates Foundation's efforts to fight malaria and AIDS in Africa are of unparalleled scope.

For every one of those I can provide 100 religious charities. This one is impossible for you to win. Give up and admit that religions do more to help ppl than anyone else.

 

[Shannon Alexander]

You are wrong about that.. when animals are in captivity and not in their natural environment it causes a great deal of stress. From a rabbit to a lizard.

From a rabbit to a lizard to a human being, captivity fucks up all animals...

 

[Heisenberg]

For every one of those I can provide 100 religious charities. This one is impossible for you to win. Give up and admit that religions do more to help ppl than anyone else.

"Moving the goalposts is an informal logical fallacy in which previously agreed upon standards for deciding an argument are arbitrarily changed once they have been met. This is usually done by the "losing" side of an argument in a desperate bid to save face."

This was your statement.

I have never once in my life seen an atheist commit one charitable or otherwise selfless act for a stranger.

 

[Kaendar]

"Moving the goalposts is an informal logical fallacy in which previously agreed upon standards for deciding an argument are arbitrarily changed once they have been met. This is usually done by the "losing" side of an argument in a desperate bid to save face."

This was your statement.

You have holes in your logic. First, we never agreed on shit. Second, I said I have never seen, I didnt say it didnt happen. So you fail, once again.

 

[mindphuk]

The horse you sit on is becoming more apparent. It was always apparent actually. Even when more well spoken individuals present a good argument you act like what they say doesnt matter, convinced that only your point of view can be right and you simply dismiss what they have to say. Your more big headed than that ugly guy in your avatar with the five head... So to have a spiritual mod to look after the SPIRITUALITY, Sexuality, and Philosophy forum would be unfair? Someone to bring balance to this subforum of nut hugging know it all atheists is unfair? Compared to a stone cold materialist whos apparent goal is to try and convince believers that they'er thinking irrationally and shouldnt have their beliefs? I dont care if anyone questions god, I dont think I even argued god here. Its the fact that its his GOAL to try and convince believers that their beliefs are irrational, in what way is that different from a crazy christian trying to recruit followers to christ? Please, tell me. As a mod, its not his job to convince believers that the concept of "spirit" is irrational, because hes a fucking spirituality mod. Why do you even need to question our spiritual beliefs anyways? We know what you think, we heard atheists our whole lives saying that believing in god is stupid, if they dont change our views, what makes you think you can? The only reason I can think of that you band of nut hugging know-it-all question spiritual beliefs is to boost your already soaring ego, to further convince you that theists are mentally superior and that you have a better grasp on reality than they do. You are not changing anything with your blow hard responses against spiritual beliefs, give it up already.

Why is it you never seem to answer anyone's questions. You just answered mine with more questions. Your questions are straw men in disguise. I never said a spiritual mod would be bad. I asked you whether one that disallowed criticism of spiritual arguments would be okay with you. Maybe English is a second language for you, IDK but to constantly misrepresent what other posters have said is also getting quite tiring.

Do you think mods are not allowed to participate in the forums they moderate? Are you unable to grasp the concept of Pad's personal views and his job as a mod are separate? These are rhetorical questions, you don't have to answer. Everyone else here knows the answer but you pretend to not understand so that you can continue on with your whining and complaining.

I sincerely doubt you have heard atheists say anything to you your whole life. Atheists do not make it a habit of going around discussing things they don't believe in with strangers. This is a forum to discuss philosophical beliefs including spiritual and non-spiritual just as a celibate is free to talk about not having sex in this sexuality forum. Quit acting like only spiritual people should be allowed to post or mod this forum. This isn't your website or your decision and either complain to Mr. Rollitup and present your argument why he shouldn't mod this forum or STFU already.

 

[Metasynth]

For every one of those I can provide 100 religious charities. This one is impossible for you to win. Give up and admit that religions do more to help ppl than anyone else.

Yup, just ignore all the pain, suffering, and war that religion has caused throughout history too.

 

[bud nugbong]

I "lost my religion" not that i ever really had one, More like stopped wondering. Yes, stopped wondering around the age of 12-13. After being exposed to the planet for a while i began to realise none of what i was told about god could ever happen. all of the bible storys (adam + eve, noahs ark) were just nonsese.

aslo saw the MANY other religions out there and saw it all as just gangs or cults i guess. I didnt feel like i needed to be a part of a cult. and if you join a gang your weak right?

Then all of that crazy stuff with priest raping boys, and all of the other bad things in history centered around religion. (holocaust, muslim extremists) i know these are just extreme examples but its mostly about god/gods.

I dont like to bring it up to people, i let believers do there thing in peace. It really is a waste of time arguing about it. and definatly not worth fighting and killing about. I do try to do good by others as well, not a big doner of time and money, but im not dressed in black all emo and shit. just a jolly good fellow, especially when im baked.

 

[Kaendar]

I "lost my religion" not that i ever really had one, More like stopped wondering. Yes, stopped wondering around the age of 12-13. After being exposed to the planet for a while i began to realise none of what i was told about god could ever happen. all of the bible storys (adam + eve, noahs ark) were just nonsese.

aslo saw the MANY other religions out there and saw it all as just gangs or cults i guess. I didnt feel like i needed to be a part of a cult. and if you join a gang your weak right?

Then all of that crazy stuff with priest raping boys, and all of the other bad things in history centered around religion. (holocaust, muslim extremists) i know these are just extreme examples but its mostly about god/gods.

I dont like to bring it up to people, i let believers do there thing in peace. It really is a waste of time arguing about it. and definatly not worth fighting and killing about. I do try to do good by others as well, not a big doner of time and money, but im not dressed in black all emo and shit. just a jolly good fellow, especially when im baked.

The bible gives clear idea of where the garden of eaden was located, and there is physical proof that the ark existed so how is that nonsense. Scientists have also found evidence to prove the great flood happened and also the events at Sodom and gamhora, and many other bible "stories". When science proves its true I have to stop doubting it.

 

[Kaendar]

Yup, just ignore all the pain, suffering, and war that religion has caused throughout history too.

Thats not in question right now. Right now were speaking about who does more to improve the qualities of peoples life, religious groups or atheist groups. There is a clear champion.

 

[Heisenberg]

You have holes in your logic. First, we never agreed on shit. Second, I said I have never seen, I didnt say it didnt happen. So you fail, once again.

You said you never have seen, and i've showed you. The failure was yours when you thought you could move goalposts without being noticed. There is ample evidence of atheists being charitable, which means your entire premise is false. You could have acknowledged that and rescinded your statement, but you engaged in a desperate trick to distract from your aberration, because you are a bigot.

That is how you point out holes in someones logic.

 

[Shannon Alexander]

I have yet to see scientific proof that there was a vessel large enough to hold 7 mating pairs of each of the Clean animals of the world and 1 mating pair of all the unclean animals...

 

[mindphuk]

The bible gives clear idea of where the garden of eaden was located

Nope. It is so unclear to make many possible locations.

and there is physical proof that the ark existed

wrong. something like this would make more newspapers than just the weekly world news

Scientists have also found evidence to prove the great flood happened

nonsense. Zero geologic evidence of a world-wide deluge. Local flooding post ice age accounts for all flood myths.

and also the events at Sodom and gamhora,

Not quite.

and many other bible "stories". When science proves its true I have to stop doubting it.

You really need to stop getting your 'proof' from fundamentalists websites and sources.

 

[Kaendar]

You said you never have seen, and i've showed you. The failure was yours when you thought you could move goalposts without being noticed. There is ample evidence of atheists being charitable, which means your entire premise is false. You could have acknowledged that and rescinded your statement, but you engaged in a desperate trick to distract from your aberration, because you are a bigot.

That is how you point out holes in someones logic.

You snaked your way around the fact that I pointed out that you were wrong. Once again, I said I have not seen, I didnt deny that it happened, so that means your entire premise is false. You are an obvious bigot and you just lost this debate. Admit defeat or continue to prove what an asshole you are.

 

[Heisenberg]

Thats not in question right now. Right now were speaking about who does more to improve the qualities of peoples life, religious groups or atheist groups. There is a clear champion.

What do you suppose you will gain from pointing out that a lie can be more comforting than the truth? None of the good religion does is proprietary, yet the potential evil is quite unique.

 

[Chief Walkin Eagle]

Why is it you never seem to answer anyone's questions. You just answered mine with more questions. Your questions are straw men in disguise. I never said a spiritual mod would be bad. I asked you whether one that disallowed criticism of spiritual arguments would be okay with you. Maybe English is a second language for you, IDK but to constantly misrepresent what other posters have said is also getting quite tiring.

Do you think mods are not allowed to participate in the forums they moderate? Are you unable to grasp the concept of Pad's personal views and his job as a mod are separate? These are rhetorical questions, you don't have to answer. Everyone else here knows the answer but you pretend to not understand so that you can continue on with your whining and complaining.

I sincerely doubt you have heard atheists say anything to you your whole life. Atheists do not make it a habit of going around discussing things they don't believe in with strangers. This is a forum to discuss philosophical beliefs including spiritual and non-spiritual just as a celibate is free to talk about not having sex in this sexuality forum. Quit acting like only spiritual people should be allowed to post or mod this forum. This isn't your website or your decision and either complain to Mr. Rollitup and present your argument why he shouldn't mod this forum or STFU already.

Another example of the high horse you mount yourself on, I highly doubt it is possible to knock you off of it because you are that full of yourself. I told you I dont give a fuck about people criticizing spiritual views. Its the fact that its his goal to try and turn believer into "rational" thinking atheists. I answered your questions, now please answer mine Mr. Horseman. How is Pad trying to convince believers that their beliefs are irrational and that they shouldnt believe in god any different from crazy christians trying to make you follow jesus? How is it different? Answer this one too. I've had plenty of discussions with atheists about god, around campfires, living rooms, all while passing a joint and discussing other stoner subjects like aliens. Its what stoners do, get in a circle, smoke weed and talk. So why do you feel the need to question a theists beliefs when they already know what you are gunna say? We know your stance on such discussions, and you should know the chances of changing our views are slim to none. So why bother? Whats the purpose? What comes out of it? Like I said, you know our spiritual views wont budge, so the only reason I can think of is to further convince yourself that your way of thinking is superior, the horse gets higher and the saddle straps you in. I'd very much like to hear another explanation on why you question beliefs, if there is another explanation.