How would raising taxes affect you and our economy?
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abandonconflict
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Maybe if a real cop was guarding that gated community in Sanford, FL...
UncleBuck
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you're right, 50 kids to a class with one teacher it is.Really thats the trend and we're doing worse.
It's all about funneling federal tax dollars to the unions my friend, like I said, Obama's a fucking lying POS.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Most of that employment isn't classroom staff. Schools have become a bit management-heavy, and in my state they conceal it by using administrators with nominal teacher credentials. cn
nontheist
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Still doesn't make it ok to throw money at a broken system. Also something worth mentioning is union teachers are almost impossible to fire, even if they do a horrid job.
nontheist
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Oh found this digging around....
Tried to dig up LEO's info but the Bureau of Justice Statistics is way out of date last report was for 2008 and it's incomplete. I was suprised to find that we have such a low numbers of violent crimes per population, they always want to make it sound like war. also (they're expensive)Overall, local police operating costs for fiscal year 2007 were $116,500 per sworn officer and $260 per resident.
Tried to dig up LEO's info but the Bureau of Justice Statistics is way out of date last report was for 2008 and it's incomplete. I was suprised to find that we have such a low numbers of violent crimes per population, they always want to make it sound like war. also (they're expensive)Overall, local police operating costs for fiscal year 2007 were $116,500 per sworn officer and $260 per resident.
canndo
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Perhaps, but the point was that we needn't appease the rich, the rich are one of our nations most renewable resources. They are far from the precious finicky gems that the right likes to portray.
I don't feel the need to appease the rich either, your claim that the right puts them on a pedestal is only in your mind. The majority of conservatives that I know understand the economic benefit of the wealthy and their investment capabilities, we look at it more like, don't bite the hand that feeds you.
What I can't understand is, why people on the left are so preoccupied with how much money other people have, instead of focusing on making more themselves!
abandonconflict
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Whycome the hand not feeding us? We give them tax cuts to create jobs, not to watch us starve.
We?
I doubt very much twerps like you and Bucky pay a damn thing in federal income taxes, until you do, you're not part of the "we"
I'll translate your idiotic statement of "Whycome the hand not feeding us? We give them tax cuts to create jobs, not to watch us starve."
Why doesn't the wealthy give us poor folks more free shit, if Obama gets reelected, I know the gubment will be taking more of their money by force, so we can have even more free shit!
abandonconflict
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I would still be in the Army if I could. So if you want to quit with the Ad Hominem and debate, it would be nice.
The Koch brothers used the extra capital to hire plenty of people, just not Americans.
How can I debate with someone who is not a contributor, yet advocates for freebies from the people who do pay taxes?
UncleBuck
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lol.
wait, not sufficient.
LOL!
rich people don't feed me, my own labor does.
and it's also not a good idea to let "the hand that feeds you" get so big as to squash you if you dare defy their will. that leads to fascism and plutocracy.
your cries of class warfare are tiresome and moronic.
my in laws shoot your idiotic fox news re-bleating to shreds. they are very wealthy. pa in law owns apartments all over the nation, just started a new business in the field of making homes more efficient (what you might call a green business) which is doing very well, and my ma in law volunteers her time at the obama office.
they have all the money they want or need. they are not preoccupied with how much money others have. they are interested in not continuing this nonsense that you useful idiots on the right keep perpetuating. not only the social issues, but the demonstrably ineffective lie that is trickle down economics.
let me ask for the Nth time, not that i expect you or anyone else to ever answer, but who has been the sole beneficiary of trickle down? who has benefited from the economic model you are so intent at not only continuing, but furthering?
UncleBuck
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that's logical fallacy. one need not be a taxpayer to have an opinion on what is and what is not an effective economic model that perpetuates a strong, thriving middle class.
however, i do pay taxes, state and federal. i got all my federal money back this year, but i still had to cut the state a check on my sub-poverty income. go fuck yourself.
btw, unlike me, you have given us no proof that you are not a welfare bum. so until then, you are a welfare bum that grows disgusting yellow twigs.
UncleBuck
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logical fallacy.
you debate on the merit of the ideas.
also, it's called nitrogen you self righteous windbag.
abandonconflict
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You know what, your right, the war doesn't make the world a better place, so I have contributed nothing. I'm done debating you. You ran out of useful things to say and resorted to ad hominem twice. You have been the one crying the most when I have to use cartoons to get a point through your stupidity, because you lack the logical skills to see that your arguments lack the cogency to stand in debate.
So hows about you tell us why you never gave that sickly plant in your avatar any N. It looks like cartel weed.
nontheist
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I don't know what the hell you guys are debating, our nation is in trouble and you think Obama is king when all he is doing raising the taxes on the rich to funnel to unions. He's a fucking politician no better or worse than Romney. LOL at you two, thinking you're gonna get a piece of that tax increase. just lol funniest shit I have heard in awhile.
WE NEED MORE TEACHER------COPS-----FIREFIGHTERS---------We can stimulate the economy by mass breeding, breaking the law, and burning republicans houses down. What an economic plan! Even though all statistics say we don't need more and already operating with more and getting zero performance gain... hell of a plan huh?
Romney said of Obama, “he wants another stimulus, he wants to hire more government workers. He says we need more fireman, more policeman, more teachers. Did he not get the message of Wisconsin? The American people did. It’s time for us to cut back on government and help the American people.”
WE NEED MORE TEACHER------COPS-----FIREFIGHTERS---------We can stimulate the economy by mass breeding, breaking the law, and burning republicans houses down. What an economic plan! Even though all statistics say we don't need more and already operating with more and getting zero performance gain... hell of a plan huh?
Romney said of Obama, “he wants another stimulus, he wants to hire more government workers. He says we need more fireman, more policeman, more teachers. Did he not get the message of Wisconsin? The American people did. It’s time for us to cut back on government and help the American people.”
UncleBuck
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more fallacy. ad hominem fail.
i neither want nor need anything beyond what i currently enjoy.
what i do want is to stop following failed economic policies.
do go on about the successes of trickle down economics. who benefited?