Veg and Bloom Grow

[Cuebossa]

promix hp with azomite, dolomite, and diatomaceous earth as my medium

Alright! I'm only using Roots soilless with nothing added(except Veg+Bloom) so hopefully you will get even better results!
this one might come down tomorrow, the other is just ripening up. nice and aromatic!

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[sdgrower]

I would like to put that in my pipe and smoke it.

 

[PetFlora]

Petflora,

Aren"t those fatman's receipes?

They could be. That was the thread I gleaned this info from.

 

[sdgrower]

I always enjoyed Fatman's info. Following his and other similar threads lead me to mixing my own nutes. A friend recommended veg+bloom and when I saw his finished result I decided to give it a try. More expensive than mixing your own, but much easier to use.

 

[PetFlora]

It's all relative. The cost of all the raw ingredients to make your own (if you can get all you need without special license) is probably quite a bit more than the $100 cost for 5 pounds of V & B, including shipping. Hell, one pound should easily last me a year of constant growing, especially since I learned there is no direct benefit to feeding > 600 in veg > 800 in flower, at least when using HPA or F & D. AND, if it is in fact pH balanced @ ~ 5.8 without needing adjustment that saves money on up/down. AND, if it contains Si that's another savings

 

[Vindicated]

Thanks for sharing your pics with us. I just hit up Hydroponic-Research, the company behind Veg+Bloom, and they are sending me a free sample. I'm curious how they'll do in different potting soils, but I'll pick up some Roots Organic 707 for the first run and go from there. Do you remember what week in flower the plants started turning yellow & purple?

 

[sdgrower]

It's all relative. The cost of all the raw ingredients to make your own (if you can get all you need without special license) is probably quite a bit more than the $100 cost for 5 pounds of V & B, including shipping. Hell, one pound should easily last me a year of constant growing, especially since I learned there is no direct benefit to feeding > 600 in veg > 800 in flower, at least when using HPA or F & D. AND, if it is in fact pH balanced @ ~ 5.8 without needing adjustment that saves money on up/down. AND, if it contains Si that's another savings

Agreed. I have used over 5lbs so far this run and still have a few weeks left. The plants love it and that's all that matters to me.

 

[Cuebossa]

The plants love it and I love these flowers. This strain has never given off the sage/rose/incense smells it has this run with Veg+BLoom. It also shines in the resin department. Very excited to sample this up tonight!

 

[Vindicated]

Hey guys, I got my free sample and I'm about to try it out on a new plant. I have the version made for tap / hard water. The directions don't mention anything about pH, but when I mixed a batch and tested the pH, I got a range between 7.0 - 7.5. Are you guys adjusting the pH or using it as-is?

 

[PetFlora]

I am very excited to start using V & B.

Say hi to Hermie. He/She is going to be my first Veg + Bloom test. It was raised from seed in Dutch Masters Gold A/B + Add.27 + Zone + Silica, and grew in my 21st Century F & D rig, hence the Air Pot with lava rock.

Seed is from my F1 cross (sat/indica). The other 3 are females. I moved Hermie out of the main tent and into my starter/cloner closet about 2 weeks ago.

I tossed together a hydro rig that is a take off on an Under Current. I used a cleaning tub, put 4 large Oxystones under the 1G AP, filled the tub ~ 2" above the bottom. I also hand water from the top every couple hours. She/He has been filling in rather nicely

This photo is the before shot. Ths morning, I will be replacing the DM nutes with V & G. Will post follow ups ~ every 7 days.

Damn in trying to get the whole set up in the shot I cut off the nice nug at the top

 

[Redoctober]

PetFlora brought me here, and I noticed that in one of the first posts, someone commented that it is mostly a bloom formula and the veg and bloom are the same. I was wondering about this as well, but I can say that, I'm not sure about the whole veg and bloom ratio theory. I've done it both ways and haven't noticed a difference. I am currently running House & Garden, and the veg and bloom base nutrient mix is 50/50 the entire way through; it does not change. On the other hand, GH instructs you to alter the ratios of grow and bloom from 3:1 in veg to 1:3 in flower. I didn't notice a difference except for perhaps a slight bit more stretch with the H&G, but it could be my imagination. H&G gave me more robustness overall. I am very anxious to try the V&B now!

Cuebossa, is the yield comparable to other nutrient brands you have used? I just started a thread about how different nutrient brands might affect the strength of the aroma which is why PetFlora pointed me to your thread. I have noticed slight differences between brands. I really like your description of how powerful it made your buds smell as that is exactly what I'm looking for. There's nothing better than sticking your nose into a jar full of Kush and having that Diesel, pine sol scent smack you in the face!

 

[Vindicated]

I had to shoot Hydroponic Research an email about the pH. They were pretty surprised that my pH is was at 7 after mixing in their nutrients to my water. It's supposed to be like AN's pH perfect meaning it should automatically adjust to the correct pH, but they acknowledged it doesn't always work with well water or water that has a high alkalinity. They recommended I continue to check pH and adjust as needed.

 

[PetFlora]

Out with the old:

Hermie has been removed from the clone closet, now outside. Upstairs in the main tent I have 2 plants in my hpa, and 2 in my 21st Century F & D: an older clone of the original mother and a F1 cross of said mother with Indica pollen. My original plan was to do an AB hpa v my F & D, but the genetic expression of the cross in F & D is > 85% Sat. She is > 3ft tall has 10+ side branches (all > 12") that currently make her > 2ft diameter, so comparing hpa v F & D using identical nutes is moot. What to do? Since she is crowding the finishing clone, yesterday I moved the clone to the closet and put Hermie outside. This opens the door for me to finish the F & D using V & B. Wish I had thought this through BEFORE dumping/adding fresh DM nutes Friday. Oh, well, looks like my avocado tree is going to get ferted.

Here are pics of Mother clone & Sat dom in the F & D pod

 

[PetFlora]

Out with the old:

Hermie has been removed from the clone closet, now outside.

Upstairs in the main tent I have 2 plants in my hpa, and 2 in my 21st Century F & D: an older clone of the original mother that is ~ 2weks from done and a F1 cross of said mother with Indica pollen.

My original plan was to do an AB hpa v my F & D using the same genetics. The 2 in hpa are expressing > 85% Indica, the cross in F & D is > 85% Sat. She is > 3ft tall has 10+ side branches (all > 12") that currently makes her > 2ft diameter, so comparing hpa v F & D using identical nutes is moot. What to do?

Since she is crowding the finishing clone, yesterday I moved the clone to the closet and put Hermie outside. This opens the door for me to finish the F & D using V & B. Wish I had thought this through BEFORE dumping/adding fresh DM nutes Friday. Oh, well, looks like my avocado tree is going to get ferted.

Here are pics of Mother clone (left) & Sat dom in the F & D pod. After taking this pic I replaced the elbow with a "T" to expand nute coverage over the lava rocks

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[Cuebossa]

Wow Petflora, Looks to be a very sophisticated operation you have yourself there.

Here are some pics of the Romulan I grew in the ROots Aurora soilless mix with Veg+Bloom. I sampled this with a friend, an organic grower, who remarked that the flavor was better than any of the same strain he has grown 100% organic. The smell is pungent fruit with a heavy skunky background aroma. Very potent with expando effects. Stone was very heavy with sleep induction.

I am planning on starting a PRO-MIX HP grow with the Veg+Bloom next.

 

[PetFlora]

^^^^ You're getting me all excited.

In just 3 days being fed ~ 640 ppms V & B the pistil clusters have exploded to medium marble size all over the plant. Today I mixed a fresh batch of V & B to ~ 800ppms (up from 640) also upped the flood time from 1 flood/60 minutes to 1/30 minutes during 10 hours of lights on

I will be posting new pics in my journal Friday. If I remember, I will also post here.

My 21st Century F & D is far from sophisticated, but rockin it!

It consists of an oxygenated outboard rez, low pressure pump and some pvc tubing/fittings. Bulkhead fitting in bottom corner of large Rubbermaid tote/tray drains nutes back into the rez. The pump is on a simple analog timer with separate knobs to set on time and pause time. Minimum on is ~ 23 seconds so I sized the rez accordingly, to keep pump from running dry.

This lp pump will suck 3g in ~ 20 seconds, so there is a bit of slurping.

DownstairsClone

The calyxes on the clone, using V & B for like 5 days, have finally started fattening up + a lot more pistils. So it appears I am 2 for 2.

Mixing V & B

It dissolves quickly in RO water < 10ppms, but, I have noticed a very small amount of precip, no big deal, just lettin people know

 

[Kite High]

^^^^ You're getting me all excited.

In just 3 days being fed ~ 640 ppms V & B the pistil clusters have exploded to medium marble size all over the plant. Today I mixed a fresh batch of V & B to ~ 800ppms (up from 640) also upped the flood time from 1 flood/60 minutes to 1/30 minutes during 10 hours of lights on

I will be posting new pics in my journal Friday. If I remember, I will also post here.

My 21st Century F & D is far from sophisticated, but rockin it!

It consists of an oxygenated outboard rez, low pressure pump and some pvc tubing/fittings. Bulkhead fitting in bottom corner of large Rubbermaid tote/tray drains nutes back into the rez. The pump is on a simple analog timer with separate knobs to set on time and pause time. Minimum on is ~ 23 seconds so I sized the rez accordingly, to keep pump from running dry.

This lp pump will suck 3g in ~ 20 seconds, so there is a bit of slurping.

DownstairsClone

The calyxes on the clone, using V & B for like 5 days, have finally started fattening up + a lot more pistils. So it appears I am 2 for 2.

Mixing V & B

It dissolves quickly in RO water < 10ppms, but, I have noticed a very small amount of precip, no big deal, just lettin people know

in most probability it is either cal and sulphur forming gypsum or even more likely the silica reacting to the drop in pH while still too concentrated...try filling the container with ro then while stirring add a lil at a time it may eliminate this...keep 'em green

 

[Cuebossa]

Funny as I have not seen any precipitation. I agree with Kitehigh, you will need to add the powder slowly to your final volume of water and use a pump or stirring stick to agitate the water.

I am preparing to start my PROMIX-HP test with Veg+Bloom today and am excited to see things get going. I'll be running a Subcool hybrid, Jack the ripper and an old school selection of OG.

 

[Izoc666]

Cuebossa bring ProMix HP in and start run !! im interesting to see the result with Pro Mix HP. Nice job , sir with buds !

Happy growing and peace

 

[PetFlora]

I am using RO water (< 20ppm) I slowly add 1 tsp ( a little at a time) while hand stirring with a slotted paint mixer. Again, no biggie

I posted new pics today in my journal.