Militant Atheists calm down.

Daxus

Active Member
...this is a pretty mature perspective.
I actually regret some of that wording since "negative" is subject to perspective as well. Co-existence is the key. And thank you, I swear I learned better morals from my parents, local farmers and stoners than anything I was taught about good behavior in school, tv, internet or any other form of media including every major news outfit.
 

Padawanbater2

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Prison and foxholes. These two places in my experience convert more people as they are forced to into introspection. Especially the prison system.

I just know that those folks who have been persecuted into their conversions are some of the worst to engage with on any fringe of denying them their safety net.
It's funny you bring that up. We've got a thread going in this same section https://www.rollitup.org/spirituality-sexuality-philosophy/521636-death-part-1-a.html that I think applies to this (part 2 specifically). There's a section titled "no atheists in foxholes". Basically that statement is a candid admission by theists themselves that the only reason they submit to belief is through fear. This applies to those kinds of force conversions mainly (though I suspect a majority of theists tend to fear hell/death/non existence as well for the same reasons). Belief is a position of thought originating from the fear of what would happen if you didn't.

Also, those people can believe whatever they want, in private. If they come into public and try to change policy, that's when their safety net is rendered meaningless to me.


I don't think nonsense should be ridiculed for what it is, because "nonsense" is subject to perception, no matter how stupid that persons perception may seem to us we're not them. After all in the words of Willy Wonka "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men".

I think it's better for people to present their case, draw their own conclusions, and then find ways to co-exist without infringing on each others beliefs or trying to force them on each other. Mind changing should come naturally with education, open thought and discussion, and freedom. Not through shame, ridicule, force or any other negative action.
[video]http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/413074/april-23-2012/don-mcleroy?xrs=share_copy[/video]
 

abandonconflict

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I still think the sensitive approach should be added to our bag-o-tricks, but I'll coherently and humbly admit to ya'll, sum MFKRs needs to git ridiculed.
 

Daxus

Active Member
I still think the sensitive approach should be added to our bag-o-tricks, but I'll coherently and humbly admit to ya'll, sum MFKRs needs to git ridiculed.
I dunno from my experience humans hate to be wrong, and when you ridicule them, it only pushes them hard to try and force their idea out there and on people so they can get that gratification that they aren't wrong and the ridiculers were just mean dicks. I have never ridiculed someone who was blatantly and embarrassingly wrong and had them turn around and go "You know, you're right, I was a complete Jackass, I'm sorry and your way is absolutely the best".

It also makes you look bad to those undecided on the opinion, who would in turn look at you and go, "Gee this guy is a jerk, why should I listen to his opinion, I'm going to side with the other guy".

It's stupid and illogical but that's people for you.
 

Heisenberg

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What's up with the American Atheists Organization? They occasionally do things that do not make sense to me, and certainly do not seem conducive to progress. For example, they legally protested adding a piece of destroyed metal from the WTC rubble to the 911 museum because it resembles a cross.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/29/nyregion/atheists-sue-to-ban-display-of-cross-shaped-beam-in-911-museum.html

This strikes me as a bully move and inconsistent with the atheist position. If Christianity is not true, then the cross is in reality a hunk of metal. The reason this scrap is being added to the museum is because it provided inspiration and comfort to the rescue workers. I don't see how the fact the this comfort was grounded in religious beliefs threatens anyone's civil rights. What if the metal was shaped like Elvis giving a peace sign? Or Uncle Sam giving a thumbs up? The Statue of Liberty flashing her titts? Would it really matter, as long as it provided inspiration? Do we really need to take legal action to circumvent pareidolia?
 

Daxus

Active Member
What's up with the American Atheists Organization? They occasionally do things that do not make sense to me, and certainly do not seem conducive to progress. For example, they legally protested adding a piece of destroyed metal from the WTC rubble to the 911 museum because it resembles a cross.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/29/nyregion/atheists-sue-to-ban-display-of-cross-shaped-beam-in-911-museum.html

This strikes me as a bully move and inconsistent with the atheist position. If Christianity is not true, then the cross is in reality a hunk of metal. The reason this scrap is being added to the museum is because it provided inspiration and comfort to the rescue workers. I don't see how the fact the this comfort was grounded in religious beliefs threatens anyone's civil rights. What if the metal was shaped like Elvis giving a peace sign? Or Uncle Sam giving a thumbs up? The Statue of Liberty sporting a boner? Would it really matter, as long as it provided inspiration? Do we really need to take legal action to circumvent pareidolia?
Seems like more PC bullshit that just won't go away. Just like when someone is forced to remove a manger scene from their lawn or gets screamed at for not saying happy holidays. My philosophy is if you don't like something and it's not hurting you or directly affecting you don't look at it, don't read it, don't watch it, ignore it. If you can't ignore a piece of metal that happens to resemble a cross because of the potential religious symbolism I think you need to re-evaluate what's important.
 

Padawanbater2

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Media is also to blame. How many atheists think that's retarded... yet the media doesn't report on that. It's their job to keep people divided. You can blatantly tell when they do this, especially if you watch either FOX or MSNBC.

The media is so influential in our country it might as well make up the fourth branch of government.
 

Daxus

Active Member
Media is also to blame. How many atheists think that's retarded... yet the media doesn't report on that. It's their job to keep people divided. You can blatantly tell when they do this, especially if you watch either FOX or MSNBC.

The media is so influential in our country it might as well make up the fourth branch of government.
When I want entertainment I watch Fox News. When I want actual reporting I check multiple sources online both independent and major and then doubt some aspects anyway.
 

abandonconflict

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When I want entertainment I watch Fox News. When I want actual reporting I check multiple sources online both independent and major and then doubt some aspects anyway.
I dig it, I usually watch Faux news (one extreme) and then read Al Jezeera (the other extreme) and then what I do is sift through the Al Jezeera for facts not mentioned in the Faux news stories, then strip said facts of adjectives and opinion. What I am left with is news.
 

Heisenberg

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Seems like more PC bullshit that just won't go away. Just like when someone is forced to remove a manger scene from their lawn or gets screamed at for not saying happy holidays. My philosophy is if you don't like something and it's not hurting you or directly affecting you don't look at it, don't read it, don't watch it, ignore it. If you can't ignore a piece of metal that happens to resemble a cross because of the potential religious symbolism I think you need to re-evaluate what's important.
Yes, you hit upon another pet peeve of mine. I don't know how atheism itself could cause anyone to be bothered by images of Santa at Christmas anymore than images of Dracula at Halloween. I can understand wanting to keep these things out of government. My tax money shouldn't go to buy religious decorations (or Halloween for that matter), but being bothered by seeing it in someones yard or a private business to the point of censoring it comes from some place other than a persons rejection of a deity. I have no problem with a person simply celebrating anything, as long as it does not obligate me.
 

Padawanbater2

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Yes, you hit upon another pet peeve of mine. I don't know how atheism itself could cause anyone to be bothered by images of Santa at Christmas anymore than images of Dracula at Halloween. I can understand wanting to keep these things out of government. My tax money shouldn't go to buy religious decorations (or Halloween for that matter), but being bothered by seeing it in someones yard or a private business to the point of censoring it comes from some place other than a persons rejection of a deity. I have no problem with a person simply celebrating anything, as long as it does not obligate me.
For the most part, I agree with you. I wouldn't go so far as to ask someone to censor something like a cross or holiday scene. It does irk me though, that people are that ignorant. To me, that's all I see, that's all it really is, a celebration of peoples ignorance. That does bother me. Just like book burnings or scientology or flat earthers... I think a lot of us atheists still give special credence to peoples religion, even though it's no less ignorant than any of those other things I just listed, just because it's their religion. If we had a nationwide day of book burning where people went out on their lawns and had book bon fires because the information was too tough to learn or went against traditional beliefs, I think a lot of us would be offended by that. If it was in the name of their religion or as a sacrifice to some higher power, society says it's reasonable or justified..
 

BA142

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Yes, you hit upon another pet peeve of mine. I don't know how atheism itself could cause anyone to be bothered by images of Santa at Christmas anymore than images of Dracula at Halloween.
This bothers me as well....i'm an Atheist and I really don't have a problem with Christmas or any other Religious holiday. Hell, I don't even view Christmas as a Religious holiday. It's more or less just an excuse to receive/gift presents to family and friends. I only have a problem when Religion plays a role in politics, which it should not.
 

Doer

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When I want entertainment I watch Fox News. When I want actual reporting I check multiple sources online both independent and major and then doubt some aspects anyway.
Right and if I switch back and forth with CNN and Fox I get both sides of puke. :) Seriously, now that Al-J is straight reporting, imo, it is so easy to see the contrast with the News-Lobby-Entertainment complex at work. The difference is who is paying and who is watching, who is writing to their Congress, who wants which flavor of chit-chat for the next party.

But, we need information somehow. Polling has shown for a long time now that fully 1/2 of Americans don't care about current events at all, and couldn't say if asked.
 

Heisenberg

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hahahaha I swear i've seen that somewhere else before.....adult swim...? :bigjoint:

Wonder Showzen, the only show capable of offending everyone equally.

[video=dailymotion;x62sr]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x62sr_celebrate-our-differences_creation[/video]
 

Heisenberg

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^^ It's strange that growing up in the 70s, this video wouldn't really be considered racist. Simpler times...
That was before Elmo came along and ruined it all. Before Elmo, The Count didn't worry about OCD, Big bird didn't question his sexuality, and Bert & Ernie were just roommates.

Don't get me wrong, I didn't mind if Bird occasionally snuck off with Snuffy to play Doctor, just don't think the kids need to know about it.

[video=youtube;UiyLtMPuWRA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiyLtMPuWRA[/video]
 
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