Change you can believe in

abandonconflict

Well-Known Member
Interesting you could come to this conclusion. Especially after you just posted a thread to discuss your so called great intellect.
Interesting how you omit the part of what I said that shows how I came to this conclusion so that you don't look like a jack ass when you insult me, jack ass.

Which thread did I post where I tried to discuss my so called great intellect?
 

OGEvilgenius

Well-Known Member
Interesting how you omit the part of what I said that shows how I came to this conclusion so that you don't look like a jack ass when you insult me, jack ass.

Which thread did I post where I tried to discuss my so called great intellect?
https://www.rollitup.org/politics/523248-conservatism-cognitive-ability-negatively-correlated.html

1) I'm certain you wouldn't have posted this if you weren't a liberal on some level (probably one of the worst threads I've ever seen posted here by the way, which says a lot, congrats on being an asshole driving the wedge).
2) You have to be seriously ignorant and/or stupid to think Obama has done a good job. Either that or you're a closet authoritarian who has no regard for personal liberty or freedom.
 

beenthere

New Member
Really?

Since Obama took office (3.5 years) our national debt has risen $5trillion, that's more of a debt increase than George Bush racked up in his full two terms!

I won't argue idealism with you, you're obviously a left leaning guy and I'm more conservative, but blaming Reagan is pure BS.
The fact is, until we get entitlement spending under control, our debt will continue to skyrocket, and that does not have a damn thing to do with Ronald Reagan.
 

abandonconflict

Well-Known Member
https://www.rollitup.org/politics/523248-conservatism-cognitive-ability-negatively-correlated.html

1) I'm certain you wouldn't have posted this if you weren't a liberal on some level (probably one of the worst threads I've ever seen posted here by the way, which says a lot, congrats on being an asshole driving the wedge).
2) You have to be seriously ignorant and/or stupid to think Obama has done a good job. Either that or you're a closet authoritarian who has no regard for personal liberty or freedom.
So where was it in that thread that I mentioned my great intellect? Did the article make you feel stupid? aaaawwwww...

read the part you omitted from my quote when you said "Interesting how you could come to this conclusion"
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Really?

Since Obama took office (3.5 years) our national debt has risen $5trillion, that's more of a debt increase than George Bush racked up in his full two terms!

I won't argue idealism with you, you're obviously a left leaning guy and I'm more conservative, but blaming Reagan is pure BS.
The fact is, until we get entitlement spending under control, our debt will continue to skyrocket, and that does not have a damn thing to do with Ronald Reagan.
do tell me how much new spending has been implemented under obama and how much of the rest is racked up under the continued policies of his predecessor(s).

reaganomics was a spectacular success for those like you who are worried about the debt.

 

kelly4

Well-Known Member
do tell me how much new spending has been implemented under obama and how much of the rest is racked up under the continued policies of his predecessor(s).

reaganomics was a spectacular success for those like you who are worried about the debt.

So if it's caused by "continued policies", Reagan's numbers are caused by Carter. Bush Sr.'s numbers get better thanks to Reagan. Slick Willie's numbers get even better thanks to 12 straight years of Reagan and Bush. Then, thanks to 8 years of Clinton, Bush Jr.'s numbers go back up.


Thanks for clearing that up for me!
 

OGEvilgenius

Well-Known Member
I won't be sad if he wins. I noticed 4 years ago that we were ending 8 years of the worst president in history who happened to be a white republican and that a black democrat who's slogan was change you can believe in was probably the most popular president in several decades. I also notice how biased most of his opposition is. There are two key things to look at IMO. 1) Beware the sound of one hand clapping, if there is no voice of dissent, you are being slapped. 2) Don't expect too much, it is just asking for disappointment. You have to grade them with a curve and put them in order from best to worst.
You are saying because they are all awful, Obama is slightly less awful and therefore he's good.

Obama has attacked civil liberties far more vigorously than Bush did. He's made ridiculous claims of authority that should scare the shit out of every reasonable person who knows about them (hence you're either ignorant, stupid or an authoritarian).

He's also initiated actions in other countries and kept US troops plenty busy, despite the slow draw down in Iraq. He's got his sights set on bigger things (Iran). You're still in Afghanistan protecting and growing poppies for import into the United States too. Right on!

Should we mention how he's quite significantly increased enforcement efforts against drug users, in particular marijuana users, over Bush as well?

You claim he did well economically. I assure you, you have no basis for this claim at all. I have managed to nearly get a degree in the subject. He has drastically increased debt levels for minimal to no gain, production jobs are not exactly a booming part of the economy (despite how vital they are), real inflation is extremely high and wages are very stagnant and the unemployment numbers utterly and totally absurdly out of wack and wrong.

Economically things are complete shit and Europe is on the verge of collapse. So what's happened? The Federal Reserve offered US dollars in exchange for Euros (the failing collapsing thing) to prop them up artificially while also expanding taxpayer debt significantly on the VERY GIGANTIC risk that the Eurozone will come out on top.

Where was Obama when they started doing that? Of course he can't really control what they do, because they dictate to the President more than the other way around. Which is exactly why any candidate not talking about the Reserve, drug war (which is used for so many abuses on so many levels, bribery, slave labour etc) and massive erosion of civil liberties is a truly awful one unworthy of support. Meanwhile all this happens, and we're fighting about how stupid conservatives that come from some less wealthy areas (not just because they're conservative or stupid either, unless you want to go down the black people are stupid road) where it is well known and understood that wealth translates quite directly to levels of education (children don't have to help in the fields etc.).
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
So if it's caused by "continued policies", Reagan's numbers are caused by Carter. Bush Sr.'s numbers get better thanks to Reagan. Slick Willie's numbers get even better thanks to 12 straight years of Reagan and Bush. Then, thanks to 8 years of Clinton, Bush Jr.'s numbers go back up.


Thanks for clearing that up for me!
abandonconflict was dead right about conservatism coinciding with being a dullard.

in case you didn't notice, reagan slashed taxes back when he took office. the only since to do any real raising of taxes was clinton (bush sr. just barely). then shrub cut them back again significantly. guess which two enjoy the most added to the debt?
 

abandonconflict

Well-Known Member
You are saying because they are all awful, Obama is slightly less awful and therefore he's good.

Obama has attacked civil liberties far more vigorously than Bush did. He's made ridiculous claims of authority that should scare the shit out of every reasonable person who knows about them (hence you're either ignorant, stupid or an authoritarian).

He's also initiated actions in other countries and kept US troops plenty busy, despite the slow draw down in Iraq. He's got his sights set on bigger things (Iran). You're still in Afghanistan protecting and growing poppies for import into the United States too. Right on!

Should we mention how he's quite significantly increased enforcement efforts against drug users, in particular marijuana users, over Bush as well?

You claim he did well economically. I assure you, you have no basis for this claim at all. I have managed to nearly get a degree in the subject. He has drastically increased debt levels for minimal to no gain, production jobs are not exactly a booming part of the economy (despite how vital they are), real inflation is extremely high and wages are very stagnant and the unemployment numbers utterly and totally absurdly out of wack and wrong.

Economically things are complete shit and Europe is on the verge of collapse. So what's happened? The Federal Reserve offered US dollars in exchange for Euros (the failing collapsing thing) to prop them up artificially while also expanding taxpayer debt significantly on the VERY GIGANTIC risk that the Eurozone will come out on top.

Where was Obama when they started doing that? Of course he can't really control what they do, because they dictate to the President more than the other way around. Which is exactly why any candidate not talking about the Reserve, drug war (which is used for so many abuses on so many levels, bribery, slave labour etc) and massive erosion of civil liberties is a truly awful one unworthy of support. Meanwhile all this happens, and we're fighting about how stupid conservatives that come from some less wealthy areas (not just because they're conservative or stupid either, unless you want to go down the black people are stupid road) where it is well known and understood that wealth translates quite directly to levels of education (children don't have to help in the fields etc.).
The first line nails it, the rest is your opinion backed only by "I have managed to nearly get a degree in the subject." No sources but yourself, and you are clearly biased.

Now I am going to point out my observations, which even a moron could follow and verify. The marijuana laws in this country have relaxed more in the last four years than at any other time in the last 4 decades.

He did do very well economically, he inherited a recession, 2 wars, a living Osama Bin Laden, and things are better now than they were then, despite that the GOP has hindered him at every turn.

Stop making me defend him anyway, I'm voting for Ron Paul. You just hate me because you have been programmed to hate liberals.
 

RyanTheRhino

Well-Known Member
do tell me how much new spending has been implemented under obama and how much of the rest is racked up under the continued policies of his predecessor(s).

reaganomics was a spectacular success for those like you who are worried about the debt.




So is Obama not added because his spending is past the limits of the scale?
 

Harrekin

Well-Known Member
obama's new spending is a drop in the bucket, comparatively. you have the ARRA which lowered your taxes, and a few other small things.

Yet little has been done with the huge deficit in 4 years...

So instead of Obama stabbing himself in the leg, hes just guilty of the fact hes ignored the massive blood-loss from the wound already on his neck.

Hes a TOTAL genius.
 

tomcatjones

Active Member
Yet little has been done with the huge deficit in 4 years...

So instead of Obama stabbing himself in the leg, hes just guilty of the fact hes ignored the massive blood-loss from the wound already on his neck.

Hes a TOTAL genius.

incorrect...obama added 5 trillion to our debt since being in office. Bush did 5 trillion in all 8 years.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/5-trillion-man-debt-has-increased-under-obama-502776147648456

if anything he slit his wrists while trying to hide the gouge in the neck from the rest of us.
 
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