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[Voidling]

T has a couple of strains he's been working on and refining. Lush is at least an f4 I believe. Dizzle has been refining for pineapple Cindy.

But yeah I was thinking the big breeders not stabilizing strains.

 

[TrynaGroSumShyt]

T has a couple of strains he's been working on and refining. Lush is at least an f4 I believe. Dizzle has been refining for pineapple Cindy.

But yeah I was thinking the big breeders not stabilizing strains.

nowadays they/most are just crosses. Lush is a strain at f4's and looking very stable. And it only took me a little over two years to get here. But when i got back and look at my notes i have achieved and still am achieving my ain. i don't see why new breeders dont take the time to stabilize.

 

[DO3SHA]

These are romulan from seed. Rommy is not clone. Wasn't worried about clone only's 15+ years ago.
This is Joe's romulan he has.

Exactly joes romulan not true romulan you cannot get true romulan anymore in seed even if it's cross bread back to romulan it will never be true romulan

 

[Voidling]

That's true t. I guess the word strain has been over used out of context. They call crosses strains on seedbanks and reviews

 

[Dizzle Frost]

I think the main reason why they dotn stabilize is time and space consumption .... most breeders carry a wide selection so they dont have time to spend perfecting it just to sell for 70-80 a pack. Other reasons= greed , using that time to realease other unstable strains lol

I tend to like the breeders who have a small selection, this way i know they have worked and invested some pride in those strains. Without mentioning names, the breeders who are selling 15-20+ strains are a fuckin joke and there to take yur money.

Names i will mention becuz there good, Esko, PeakSeeds BC , Joey Weed , Reeferman

 

[Voidling]

C99 is the only thing I've heard from Joey Weed. But yeah.

I need to give all my mothers a trim. Will the plants just keep sending out new shoots? I'm afraid one day it will stop putting out new shoots.

Also, considering putting the mothers in to flower and keeping the clone for the next mother. I'm running out of space

 

[glockdoc]

biggest joke in history is matt riot and riot seeds. they have so many strains, too many actually to account for how long they have been in business. if breedeing takes years then they should have as many years in the game as strains. have u ever seen the strains they have..some good names and genes if they are real, but i am willing to bet none of there seeds breed true to what they say. nothing more then pollen tossers and scam artist.

 

[Senseimilla]

Are Joey and Reeferman even around anymore? Backcrossing takes multiple generations so it does take a lot of time. Tryna I'm not saying you need a warehouse to do a backcross, but you do need a decent sized garden, not the equivalent of 400w and a few plants. You do need a selection of males to cross with a clone to get a suitable male. You can't get that usually if you're only using a few plants. You might get lucky and get a good candidate, but it seems like you're just going to be settling for the best candidate of the few you popped. The breeders I like don't just sticky any old male with their females. But yeah, I'm guessing the reason why TGA doesn't take more time to do stable backcrosses is that it takes several generations of growing to do it and careful selection. I don't have any interest in doing backcrosses at this point or breeding. I just want quality strains or crosses that I can get a good clone from... so IBL makes no difference to me.

 

[Voidling]

If you were buying IBL though, it wouldn't take 3 packs to find a keeper that matches the description. That's an advantage to IBL for the regular grower.

But like I said, sometimes you find a great phenotype that doesn't match the description at all, that could other wise be lost

 

[TrynaGroSumShyt]

Are Joey and Reeferman even around anymore? Backcrossing takes multiple generations so it does take a lot of time. Tryna I'm not saying you need a warehouse to do a backcross, but you do need a decent sized garden, not the equivalent of 400w and a few plants. You do need a selection of males to cross with a clone to get a suitable male. You can't get that usually if you're only using a few plants. You might get lucky and get a good candidate, but it seems like you're just going to be settling for the best candidate of the few you popped. The breeders I like don't just sticky any old male with their females. But yeah, I'm guessing the reason why TGA doesn't take more time to do stable backcrosses is that it takes several generations of growing to do it and careful selection. I don't have any interest in doing backcrosses at this point or breeding. I just want quality strains or crosses that I can get a good clone from... so IBL makes no difference to me.

See it was easy for me to run enough seeds to find candidates, because i run a perpetual and i pop 10 or so seeds every couple of weeks and have grown out many phenos in the f1 and 2 generation, a few from the 3 and now i'm running the f4's and the look exactly how i wanted em too. So far. it aint as hard as they sell it to be.

 

[glockdoc]

See it was easy for me to run enough seeds to find candidates, because i run a perpetual and i pop 10 or so seeds every couple of weeks and have grown out many phenos in the f1 and 2 generation, a few from the 3 and now i'm running the f4's and the look exactly how i wanted em too. So far. it aint as hard as they sell it to be.

really?? u breed and get what your looking for?

 

[Senseimilla]

It doesn't take 3 packs on TGA strains and they're not IBLs. Many find keepers in just 5 packs. It's all about the genetics that go into it and selection, not necessarily whether it's IBL. There's a place for both of course. Take my favorite breeder TGA though -- I'd rather try their crosses of new genetics than have them focus their limited time on making their crosses into true breeding IBLs. There's not a great reason for them to do it financially as it just makes it easier for someone to make knockoffs of their seeds and sell them. If I can get a keeper from one 10 pack, that's close enough to IBL for my purposes since I'm just looking for keeper clones. If I lose the cutting and TGA keeps their quality up, I can always reorder a 10 pack to find another. My garden takes up too much time as it is -- I don't need to spend time trying to breed or make seeds. I'm sure I represent the more typical customer of most breeders. The problem is a lot of breeders don't put the testing into crosses before they release them like breeders like TGA do. Not trying to ra-ra TGA as I'm sure others are as good they're just the one I favor

 

[Senseimilla]

See it was easy for me to run enough seeds to find candidates, because i run a perpetual and i pop 10 or so seeds every couple of weeks and have grown out many phenos in the f1 and 2 generation, a few from the 3 and now i'm running the f4's and the look exactly how i wanted em too. So far. it aint as hard as they sell it to be.

Ah yeah I have considered doing perpetual SOG but if I get busted I don't want to end up in jail for 50 years

 

[glockdoc]

It doesn't take 3 packs on TGA strains and they're not IBLs. Many find keepers in just 5 packs. It's all about the genetics that go into it and selection, not necessarily whether it's IBL. There's a place for both of course. Take my favorite breeder TGA though -- I'd rather try their crosses of new genetics than have them focus their limited time on making their crosses into true breeding IBLs. There's not a great reason for them to do it financially as it just makes it easier for someone to make knockoffs of their seeds and sell them. If I can get a keeper from one 10 pack, that's close enough to IBL for my purposes since I'm just looking for keeper clones. If I lose the cutting and TGA keeps their quality up, I can always reorder a 10 pack to find another. My garden takes up too much time as it is -- I don't need to spend time trying to breed or make seeds. I'm sure I represent the more typical customer of most breeders. The problem is a lot of breeders don't put the testing into crosses before they release them like breeders like TGA do. Not trying to ra-ra TGA as I'm sure others are as good they're just the one I favor

lol dont worry about it i get what you are saying.

 

[Voidling]

Well I'm screwed if I get busted, regardless of how many plants. My original plan was to do perpetual sog but afraid its all getting lumped into a single grow

 

[Theowl]

As a collector of heirloom vegetable seeds, I'm gonna have to side with IBL's.
Just for the mere fact that I want to know exactly what to expect out of what I plant each time. That's (in my opinion) the whole point of selection/selective propagation.
Some thing that breeds true is invaluable.

Now that being said, everything has it's place in the realm of our hobby.
Like Sensei said, it's not a concern for him-he's got a system in place (like many of us) that suits his particular needs and goals. There should always be crosses out there to have fun with and obtain new experiences.

That's all life is, a melding of experiences. What have we gained if we don't experience all that we can?

Kinda went off track there...

So, anyway, hey guys!

 

[TrynaGroSumShyt]

As a collector of heirloom vegetable seeds, I'm gonna have to side with IBL's.
Just for the mere fact that I want to know exactly what to expect out of what I plant each time. That's (in my opinion) the whole point of selection/selective propagation.
Some thing that breeds true is invaluable.

Now that being said, everything has it's place in the realm of our hobby.
Like Sensei said, it's not a concern for him-he's got a system in place (like many of us) that suits his particular needs and goals. There should always be crosses out there to have fun with and obtain new experiences.

That's all life is, a melding of experiences. What have we gained if we don't experience all that we can?

Kinda went off track there...

So, anyway, hey guys!

My point. I like crosses, Just want something that when i throw it down i know whats coming up.

 

[Voidling]

Hey owl, hows the ghost chili doing? Just up potted all of mine. Not a single one of my bell peppers germinate but everything else in the tray did. Odd.

Romulan 5 and a mystery romulan went into flower. Will be first round to flower strictly under led. I've got two cuts from one of the blueberry to go in soon if I don't get roots on a cut from the other bb soon. Tomorrow will be 9 weeks 12/12 for 3 roms and several days of water only flush. Plan to chop them. Not sure how I'll dry them though, I need the springy clothes pins.

 

[Theowl]

It's looking good, save for a few bits of caterpillar damage. Actually going into a growth spurt now, went from 4" to 6" in a day or so. The little branchlets are coming on strong too.

I'm at 42 days flower with the nycd and she's a beast of a single cola plant. I hope I can reveg her. Don't know how much longer she'll go though. But I am being patient.
(and I'm burning my NL now, so I'm good for a while.) I am so glad to be done with that shitty plant. If it weren't for times like these I woulda scrapped it a long time ago.

 

[Voidling]

Good to hear. How's the nl smoke?

Just cut down one of the roms tonight. Potted some rooted cuttings out of the cloner.

Will cut the other two and place some more in. Got one of the blueberry ready to sex. If the new potted cuttings take then I can flower both plants to sex