Spine doctor making me drop :(.

[bowlfullofbliss]

Part of my pain management is a contract stating you don't use other narcotics, and don't sell them, and all sorts of other bs. They have the right to make you piss whenever they want.

I think he might have smelled herb on my clothes. I was wearing my jeans from yesterday, smoked a joint last night.

This is tricky. I can't use synthetic, since I have to show the meds I take by script from a couple of doctors for various issues, so I'm going to have to quit smoking and try to blow him off for a month. I only smoke 1/2 joint a night, a couple of hit of BHO before bed, so it should go away soon, I hope.

If I piss dirty, I'm fucked. I'll be blacklisted. Fuck.

 

[Timmahh]

Bliss, this is WRONG on SO many Levels. You nor ANYOne should have to get taint fucked like that over possitive cannabis use. It's shit like this that really pisses me off...


I am willing to be you were well on your way to decreasing the use of those poisons with your cannabis use.


Or I would at least be surprised if you hadn't had any reductions, but at any rate, you have a Card, It is oK, you CAN NOT, and SHOULD NOT be punished in ANY Manor. IMPO, I would say you have a Discrimination suit if you are dropped!

 

[purklize]

This is something we all have to worry about and it's terrible. Every pain clinic I know of has a strict "no cannabis" policy, regardless of a mmj card or the severity of your condition. You get yanked cold turkey from your narcotics and left with nothing pretty much indefinitely. So wrong. The fact someone smokes pot doesn't change their need for a medication.

 

[bob harris]

This is something we all have to worry about and it's terrible. Every pain clinic I know of has a strict "no cannabis" policy, regardless of a mmj card or the severity of your condition. You get yanked cold turkey from your narcotics and left with nothing pretty much indefinitely. So wrong. The fact someone smokes pot doesn't change their need for a medication.

That is pretty harsh...Have you ever asked the Dr. Why? I can see them cutting back your meds because you use cannabis..shouldn't need as much in theory, but cold turkey is harsh.

 

[purklize]

Not a good idea to ever ask. I read it on a pdf on their website. If you ask they will probably get suspicious. They just assume cannabis has no medical value and anyone with a card is a "drug addict." They treat you the same as if they caught you snorting someone else's pain prescription.

 

[st0wandgrow]

That is pretty harsh...Have you ever asked the Dr. Why? I can see them cutting back your meds because you use cannabis..shouldn't need as much in theory, but cold turkey is harsh.

Why? Because the pills the peddle are very profitable ..... and god forbid a plant cuts off the gravy train for them.

That's "why".

 

[bob harris]

Not a good idea to ever ask. I read it on a pdf on their website. If you ask they will probably get suspicious. They just assume cannabis has no medical value and anyone with a card is a "drug addict." They treat you the same as if they caught you snorting someone else's pain prescription.

It just seems that some Dr. would open a clinic where traditional and herbal medicine where combined. Sorry theat hasn't happened.

 

[purklize]

It might be federal or state board of medicine regulations, I'm not sure. Pain docs, ones prescribing narcotics are subject to some pretty harsh regulation and they go to jail if they cross the invisible line into "prescribing too freely" or "prescribing to addicts." I sure wish we had what you describe, it would be wonderful.

 

[FatMarty]

My Mom, two Aunts, and Uncle, and a GrandMother all died from Alzheimers.
It is said that weed helps prevent the onset of the disease and helps folks to cope with it once it sets in.

So if I didn't qualify for a card now - I think it would be foolish for me not to use knowing my family history.
So if I were unfortunate enough to need a 'pain Dr.' it sounds as if they would force me to choose and I wouldn't abide.

The entire 'Pain Dr.' bullshit sounds like a way for insurance providers to cover their asses.
Any MD can prescribe narcotics by law.

 

[bob harris]

It might be federal or state board of medicine regulations, I'm not sure. Pain docs, ones prescribing narcotics are subject to some pretty harsh regulation and they go to jail if they cross the invisible line into "prescribing too freely" or "prescribing to addicts." I sure wish we had what you describe, it would be wonderful.

Your kinda screwed...well, from the days I feared testing, I can give ya some hints>>> if you can stall at least a few weeks, you should be pretty clean. Especially if you can burn some fat off in the meantime..If you are a skinny guy, your levels will drop faster. But a sauna for a couple hours, and enough water right afterwards to "rehydrate" should help too, just before test day...it hides in the fat..so work of fat...being a fat guy, hence having lots of storage places, I found it worked well.

Water won't block a reading of what should be there..it may drop slightly, but your taking them daily, right? If you try a "flush" kit on the day of your test..you might pee too clean.

 

[Timmahh]

It might be federal or state board of medicine regulations, I'm not sure. Pain docs, ones prescribing narcotics are subject to some pretty harsh regulation and they go to jail if they cross the invisible line into "prescribing too freely" or "prescribing to addicts." I sure wish we had what you describe, it would be wonderful.

Dr Ruth Buck comes to mind.

 

[purklize]

This is why I think all drugs need to be legal and available over the counter at pharmacies. Imagine if oxycodone was available anywhere. Patients would no longer have to play games with their doctors, and doctors would no longer have to play detective. No one would ever go without again because they were mistaken for a faker. Doctors could give honest advice, and patients could be honest about their needs and the doctors would have no reason to not believe them. Patients could be honest if they were developing an addiction without being punished, without fear of being cut off from pain medication they really do need.

 

[bowlfullofbliss]

I am worried about testing too clean, I take a lot of perc's, have leveled out without any increases in a year, but I have to show on that test the oxy, and the klonopin I take, which was 3 mg/day, but I'm down to 1 or 2 now, thankfully.

He didn't give me a date to have it done by. He just handed me a lab order, and said he needs to do a "drug level" check once in a while. I looked up the code on the sheet and it's a flat out drug screen.

The catch and worry is I have to call in a refill in 2 weeks for my percs. I'm not sure if he'll look up his order, and if I haven't gone in, maybe no script? He could also not worry about it until my next in person exam in 3 months. He's pretty chill, but they have major liability concerning meds.

I'm going to stop right away, and if he gives me shit when I call in my script, I guess I'll deal with it. Since I have to show levels of what he would expect, I can't fuck that up.

I lost 50 lbs in the last year of body fat, so I'm pretty damn thin now, so I'm hoping there isn't much of a fat source for it to stay in my body for.

I've been worrying about this for a long time. I knew it was coming at some point, I just hope he hasn't already made up his mind if he smelled it. The funny thing is he didn't say anything about when to do it...so in the back of my mind I'm thinking he knows I need time, he needs me to pass for his records...maybe I'll get lucky. Haven't had any of that in a long time.

I just bought a bunch of strawberry sour diesel, c99, and foam mist......I don't have a harvest for a while, but running a garden like this takes the fun right the fuck out of that LOL!

 

[purklize]

Can you get someone else (of the same gender) who is completely clean to take your medication for a few days and piss for you?

Honestly I doubt he smelled it on you, the smell of ganj doesn't seem to cling to clothes like cigs. Probably just a coincidence IMO.

 

[OGEvilgenius]

Part of my pain management is a contract stating you don't use other narcotics, and don't sell them, and all sorts of other bs. They have the right to make you piss whenever they want.

I think he might have smelled herb on my clothes. I was wearing my jeans from yesterday, smoked a joint last night.

This is tricky. I can't use synthetic, since I have to show the meds I take by script from a couple of doctors for various issues, so I'm going to have to quit smoking and try to blow him off for a month. I only smoke 1/2 joint a night, a couple of hit of BHO before bed, so it should go away soon, I hope.

If I piss dirty, I'm fucked. I'll be blacklisted. Fuck.

Find a new doctor IMO.

 

[OGEvilgenius]

This is something we all have to worry about and it's terrible. Every pain clinic I know of has a strict "no cannabis" policy, regardless of a mmj card or the severity of your condition. You get yanked cold turkey from your narcotics and left with nothing pretty much indefinitely. So wrong. The fact someone smokes pot doesn't change their need for a medication.

This is a completely absurd policy. Cannabis users ALWAYS end up using less narcotics (a good thing, unless of course you're just in medicine to make money which it would appear that those who run these pain management clinics are).

Cannabis is a fairly potent analgeisic.

 

[Winter Woman]

Just say you forgot about the test and you'll get around to it after you house guests that came from out of state leave to go back home.

Edit: I agree get a new doctor. I have yet to have any doctor order a blood test just because, but I'm not taking oxy.

I have a back problem and no one understands how much pain you can be in. So much so that it hurts to breath, so I understand. MMJ does help.

 

[purklize]

Winter Woman if you're in that much pain you should consider using opiates... unless of course mmj helps a LOT... anything that takes your breath away is not something you should be willing to live with. Contrary to what people think, taking extended release opiates rarely leads to addiction, you are dependent yes but you don't get addictive behaviors, because the "high" mostly comes from instant release formulas like Percocet or smashed up Oxycontin... and you get a tolerance to the "high" quickly and generally feel sober but the analgesic effects remain.

Mmj helps me but if I didn't have opiates (I've been using kratom, it's legal and cheap and safe, no more addictive than coffee IMO) I would probably have jumped out a window a long time ago. Nerve damage is a beast.

 

[bowlfullofbliss]

Can you get someone else (of the same gender) who is completely clean to take your medication for a few days and piss for you?

Honestly I doubt he smelled it on you, the smell of ganj doesn't seem to cling to clothes like cigs. Probably just a coincidence IMO.

That would be funny. "Hey Mike, do you mind taking 4 perc's a day, 1-3 benzos, flexeril, skelaxin, neurotin, and lemectil?" That list could kill a guy if he isn't built up for it over years LOL.

WW, that is my plan. I'll just say it had no reference on when to do it, so I figured I'd come in when it was closer to our next office visit. If I didn't look up the code, I wouldnt have known it was a drug screen, it doesn't spell that out.

Finding a new doctor sounds like such a PIA. I'm comfortable with this clinic, and they're the best. I might really look bad if I'm out shopping doctors, you know. I just have to man up and quit for a while, and pray it works out.

Cut off for life at 35 would not be good. I'd be in big trouble with zero doubt, MJ helps a ton, but not even close to getting me through the day, since I have young kids and refuse to be high or smell like it, or look like it around them. I would be the guy on the news who killed 4 cops who tried to fuck with my kids and got shot in front of them. Fuck that.

 

[ismokealotofpot]

I have a kratom tree growing. its doing quite nice got about 8 leafs rite now ive been hearing a lot of good things about it. its too small to use rite now i need more leafs. yo perk do you have any grow tips for that plant is there anything I should be doing.