trayvan martin

[bundee1]

The point is he went out looking for a confrontation with a gun.

 

[cannabineer]

he himself said twice that he was pursuing him and called him a fucking coon. it's on tape. that's solid evidence.

OK I'm late to this party that just doesn't want to end, but I do have to say this. I listened to the audio extracts you provided, UB, and I can't quite convince myself that he said "coons". The consonants are wrong, even if the vowel sound is on. So I can't say on that evidence alone that he said "coons" in favor of "punks". It is neither clear nor conclusive.

What I do notice about this case is that what evidence there is ... is sparse and internally inconsistent. I'm also aware of the danger that much key evidence will have been jiggered or just plain erased by an interested-party police department. But without reliable or at least consistent witness and forensic accounts, I see a lot of "jumping to conclusions" driving the sheer exuberance of this thread.

I must join WinterWoman on the sidelines ... I'll wait for more information. My inclination at this time is to believe that Zimmerman provoked an unnecessary and deadly showdown, that he was looking for a fight at al costs. But I refuse to elevate my inclination to becoming my position. This thread is filled with folks who've made up their minds as to what happened, for a series of reasons that range from awful to almost but not quite good. cn

 

[RoninAmok]

Funny! ^^^^^^ haha good shit! time for a bong hit.
Comprehension obviously wasn't a strong point for him in school, that is if he even went to school.

And yet another sidestep , not unexpected of course. Lets see here , you've attempted most the gambits by now , your tough guy act didn't work did it MeloDrama. Neither of you will directly address the topic, You both continue to veer off into meaningless points that neither of you are remotely informed on..........that pretty much covers it.


Yup you're pretty much left with nothing but whining , along with of course some expectation that I give a rats ass what you as an individual think about either me specifically or anything else for that matter.

And in the last analysis that's what's at work here in this microcosmic example of Life , your inherent arrogance in assuming smugly that any and all who fail to share your opinion or stance are lesser than you , along with a host of other negative things.


In the end you've both proven yourselves closeminded and much less than logical or rational , and as previously stated incapable of debate beyond mindless droning regurgitation in the case of MeloDrama and anecdotal bullshit that means nothing to the central point in your case.

And the depths of accusation and actual depraved behavior and rhetoric that some here will descend to are rather enlightening , a nice example of exactly the sociopathic criminal mindset that they claim to decry , a rather segregation oriented attitude whether admitted or not " keep the undesireables over THERE and away from us ".


And again..............such bullshit is divisive to the public at large and speaks to much darker things on a societal level. So as I stated ,stay in your insular little whitebread world. Round hereabout we figure that all humans bleed red regardless of skin color , all humans deserve courtesy and respect until they prove otherwise , and a person is judged on their skills , ethics and morals.

If that's different in your locale then I feel right sorry for you , perhaps all the Great Unwashed that you'll smugly decry , all the whitetrash hillbillys , reservation Indians , those of mixed race or other races ( that applies to all races) those of "lower" socioeconomic classes , those who went to a State or Public College or University instead of the Ivy League........yeah perhaps , just perhaps all that " Trash" is actually far more advanced on a sociodynamic level than y'all who are our " Betters".....

 

[NoDrama]

Crime rates overall go down the more guns there are in the public hands.

Society is very polite and civil when they are all packin the roscoe.

 

[bundee1]

Gun nuts? I don't carry a firearm on me except when hunting or target shooting. I have no reason, the amount of violent crime in my neck of the woods consists of running over small animals on the road. Occasionally a lost person comes up the drive to ask directions.

I am a nut about preserving my own life from would be assailants however.

So was Zimmerman? what would be assailants, again you see people as target non target, threat non threat, it cuts off normal interaction.

 

[NoDrama]

And yet another sidestep , not unexpected of course. Lets see here , you've attempted most the gambits by now , your tough guy act didn't work did it MeloDrama. Neither of you will directly address the topic, You both continue to veer off into meaningless points that neither of you are remotely informed on..........that pretty much covers it.


Yup you're pretty much left with nothing but whining , along with of course some expectation that I give a rats ass what you as an individual think about either me specifically or anything else for that matter.

And in the last analysis that's what's at work here in this microcosmic example of Life , your inherent arrogance in assuming smugly that any and all who fail to share your opinion or stance are lesser than you , along with a host of other negative things.


In the end you've both proven yourselves closeminded and much less than logical or rational , and as previously stated incapable of debate beyond mindless droning regurgitation in the case of MeloDrama and anecdotal bullshit that means nothing to the central point in your case.

And the depths of accusation and actual depraved behavior and rhetoric that some here will descend to are rather enlightening , a nice example of exactly the sociopathic criminal mindset that they claim to decry , a rather segregation oriented attitude whether admitted or not " keep the undesireables over THERE and away from us ".


And again..............such bullshit is divisive to the public at large and speaks to much darker things on a societal level. So as I stated ,stay in your insular little whitebread world. Round hereabout we figure that all humans bleed red regardless of skin color , all humans deserve courtesy and respect until they prove otherwise , and a person is judged on their skills , ethics and morals.

If that's different in your locale then I feel right sorry for you , perhaps all the Great Unwashed that you'll smugly decry , all the whitetrash hillbillys , reservation Indians , those of mixed race or other races ( that applies to all races) those of "lower" socioeconomic classes , those who went to a State or Public College or University instead of the Ivy League........yeah perhaps , just perhaps all that " Trash" is actually far more advanced on a sociodynamic level than y'all who are our " Betters".....

Have you ever noticed that the thread gets back on track whenever you aren't around? You know why that is? Because you keep hijacking it with your accusations and insults.

Don't spend so much time paging through a thesaurus trying to make epic good posts, it doesn't work for you, instead make more succinct and timely posts as befitting the low context culture that is America.

 

[RoninAmok]

To be honest you can buy a gun at a gun show with ZERO checks. Hell most states don't even require you to have it registered..Now being CCW requires a lot more, but just getting a firearm is pretty damn easy. Which is awesome and sucks @ the same time

AGAIN...this is ONLY true in specific locales , and that particular loophole is closing quickly due to Federal intervention.

Example: in Calif you're still going to have to go through a licensed dealer , pay for the paperwork and reg change and go through the ten day waiting period and that's for *anything* that doesn't fall under the " antique laws". This includes longarms too.

 

[NoDrama]

So was Zimmerman? what would be assailants, again you see people as target non target, threat non threat, it cuts off normal interaction.

No, actually I see ALL people as just human beings. I didn't carry when I lived in Seattle, or LA, or Long Beach, or San Diego, Or Memphis either.

 

[tryingtogrow89]

And yet another sidestep , not unexpected of course. Lets see here , you've attempted most the gambits by now , your tough guy act didn't work did it MeloDrama. Neither of you will directly address the topic, You both continue to veer off into meaningless points that neither of you are remotely informed on..........that pretty much covers it.


Yup you're pretty much left with nothing but whining , along with of course some expectation that I give a rats ass what you as an individual think about either me specifically or anything else for that matter.

And in the last analysis that's what's at work here in this microcosmic example of Life , your inherent arrogance in assuming smugly that any and all who fail to share your opinion or stance are lesser than you , along with a host of other negative things.


In the end you've both proven yourselves closeminded and much less than logical or rational , and as previously stated incapable of debate beyond mindless droning regurgitation in the case of MeloDrama and anecdotal bullshit that means nothing to the central point in your case.

And the depths of accusation and actual depraved behavior and rhetoric that some here will descend to are rather enlightening , a nice example of exactly the sociopathic criminal mindset that they claim to decry , a rather segregation oriented attitude whether admitted or not " keep the undesireables over THERE and away from us ".


And again..............such bullshit is divisive to the public at large and speaks to much darker things on a societal level. So as I stated ,stay in your insular little whitebread world. Round hereabout we figure that all humans bleed red regardless of skin color , all humans deserve courtesy and respect until they prove otherwise , and a person is judged on their skills , ethics and morals.

If that's different in your locale then I feel right sorry for you , perhaps all the Great Unwashed that you'll smugly decry , all the whitetrash hillbillys , reservation Indians , those of mixed race or other races ( that applies to all races) those of "lower" socioeconomic classes , those who went to a State or Public College or University instead of the Ivy League........yeah perhaps , just perhaps all that " Trash" is actually far more advanced on a sociodynamic level than y'all who are our " Betters".....

Whoa, calm down and take a bong rip.

 

[cliffey501]

So was Zimmerman? what would be assailants, again you see people as target non target, threat non threat, it cuts off normal interaction.

I see people as people.

 

[NoDrama]

AGAIN...this is ONLY true in specific locales , and that particular loophole is closing quickly due to Federal intervention.

Example: in Calif you're still going to have to go through a licensed dealer , pay for the paperwork and reg change and go through the ten day waiting period and that's for *anything* that doesn't fall under the " antique laws". This includes longarms too.

That is why he used the words MOST STATES, so as to indicate that it wasn't universal. You are dense son!

 

[bundee1]

Zimmerman got attacked and legally defended himself according to the local police. He survived a much worse beating at the very least.

Isnt your statement sort of self answering?

Again we lose site of right or wrong and higher moral ground you guys get on me about. Ive been in both situations, never needed a gun to ask someone if they were lost or ok and if I did suspect him of anyting I wouldnt corner him. Why does the first thought that come to mind if someone is walking around, lost or confused or even high to attack or suspect them of something?

After a session with my friends I usually walk home baked as fuck for a mile and a half through 2 different neighborhoods and some dark parking lots. I may swerve a little on the sidewalk (if thats suspicious) but nobody harrasses me and I guarantee my neighborhood is ten times more dangerous than a gated community.

 

[tryingtogrow89]

AGAIN...this is ONLY true in specific locales , and that particular loophole is closing quickly due to Federal intervention.

Example: in Calif you're still going to have to go through a licensed dealer , pay for the paperwork and reg change and go through the ten day waiting period and that's for *anything* that doesn't fall under the " antique laws". This includes longarms too.

That's awful. Jesus now i know why i moved from cali.

 

[RoninAmok]

well just be careful........i'm 6'4" bodybuilder, who's breaking cinder blocks with his forehead right now.

Then you don't need a gun , and you probably eat the cinder block shards with milk and raisins instead of Grapenuts too and if someone did shoot you you'd just call it your daily lead-n-copper supplement , say thanks and move on to hunting bears with a switch.

 

[cannabineer]

i always love hearing the stories, so please share how racism has effected you.

In this instance "affected" was right. cn "To effect" means (roughly) to actualize, to put into effect. cn

 

[scroglodyte]

Then you don't need a gun , and you probably eat the cinder block shards with milk and raisins instead of Grapenuts too and if someone did shoot you you'd just call it your daily lead-n-copper supplement , say thanks and move on to hunting bears with a switch.

oh...no......i have guns.

 

[londonfog]

AGAIN...this is ONLY true in specific locales , and that particular loophole is closing quickly due to Federal intervention.

Example: in Calif you're still going to have to go through a licensed dealer , pay for the paperwork and reg change and go through the ten day waiting period and that's for *anything* that doesn't fall under the " antique laws". This includes longarms too.

Interesting never bought a gun out of Cali, usally get from guns shows in the southern state. Thoses gunshows are unreal. You name it and its "Cash and Carry"..Wait I did buy a gun out of Cali ( 25 mm off the street ..lol ). WAyyyyyy long ago before the laws changed.

 

[tryingtogrow89]

Zimmerman was a registered democrat, so i guess if he's racist it proves liberals are the true racists.
The individual at the center of the controversial Trayvon Martin shooting is a registered Democrat.

George Michael Zimmerman, born Oct. 5, 1983, registered as a Democrat in Seminole County, Fla., in August 2002, according to state voter registration documents.
It is unclear whether he voted for President Barack Obama in 2008.
Some in the media have sought to blame Republican politicians and conservative activists for Martin’s death.
“[Republican politicians] reinforce and validate old stereotypes that associate the poor and welfare as criminal behavior with African-Americans and people of color, calling us lazy, undeserving recipients of public assistance. In the case of Trayvon, those festering stereotypes had lethal consequences,” said MSNBC political analyst and Democratic fundraiser Karen Finney.
According to the document, Zimmerman’s race is officially listed as Hispanic. The son of a white father and Peruvian mother, he has been described as a “white Hispanic” in most media reports.
Following the Feb. 26 fatal shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in a Sanford, Fla. gated community, Zimmerman has been the target of widespread outrage.
Zimmerman shot and killed Martin following a physical confrontation, but has yet to be charged with a crime. He says he acted in self-defense, a claim supported by the Sanford, Fla., Police Department investigating the case.
Protesters and activists led by professional racial justice advocates Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have suggested Martin’s killing was racially motivated, and have called for Zimmerman’s arrest.
“We want George Zimmerman in court with handcuffs behind his back,” Sharpton said last week.
Martin’s mother, Sabrina Fulton, has alleged that Zimmerman killed her son “because of the color of his skin.”

Craig Sonner, the attorney representing Zimmerman, has denied such allegations, noting that his client has acted as a mentor to a black single mother and her two children, and had helped them raise money for their all-black church.
For Zimmerman’s safety, the Free Beacon has redacted his address from the registration document. The New Black Panther Party has offered a $10,000 bounty for Zimmerman’s capture.

 

[tryingtogrow89]

Trayvon protesters ransack store.
Video here.
http://www.local10.com/news/Police-Trayvon-protesters-ransack-store/-/1717324/9719674/-/xctonpz/-/index.html
NORTH MIAMI BEACH, Fla. - North Miami Beach police said surveillance video shows dozens of high school students demonstrating in the Trayvon Martin case Friday ransacking a Walgreens store.
The incident occurred during a walkout from North Miami Beach Senior High School in support of Martin, 17, who was fatally shot in Sanford. Protesters have been calling for the arrest of George Zimmerman, 28, who has not been charged because he claimed self-defense in the shooting, according to police.

 

[scroglodyte]

Zimmerman was a registered democrat, so i guess if he's racist it proves liberals are the true racists.
The individual at the center of the controversial Trayvon Martin shooting is a registered Democrat.

George Michael Zimmerman, born Oct. 5, 1983, registered as a Democrat in Seminole County, Fla., in August 2002, according to state voter registration documents.
It is unclear whether he voted for President Barack Obama in 2008.
Some in the media have sought to blame Republican politicians and conservative activists for Martin’s death.
“[Republican politicians] reinforce and validate old stereotypes that associate the poor and welfare as criminal behavior with African-Americans and people of color, calling us lazy, undeserving recipients of public assistance. In the case of Trayvon, those festering stereotypes had lethal consequences,” said MSNBC political analyst and Democratic fundraiser Karen Finney.
According to the document, Zimmerman’s race is officially listed as Hispanic. The son of a white father and Peruvian mother, he has been described as a “white Hispanic” in most media reports.
Following the Feb. 26 fatal shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in a Sanford, Fla. gated community, Zimmerman has been the target of widespread outrage.
Zimmerman shot and killed Martin following a physical confrontation, but has yet to be charged with a crime. He says he acted in self-defense, a claim supported by the Sanford, Fla., Police Department investigating the case.
Protesters and activists led by professional racial justice advocates Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have suggested Martin’s killing was racially motivated, and have called for Zimmerman’s arrest.
“We want George Zimmerman in court with handcuffs behind his back,” Sharpton said last week.
Martin’s mother, Sabrina Fulton, has alleged that Zimmerman killed her son “because of the color of his skin.”

Craig Sonner, the attorney representing Zimmerman, has denied such allegations, noting that his client has acted as a mentor to a black single mother and her two children, and had helped them raise money for their all-black church.
For Zimmerman’s safety, the Free Beacon has redacted his address from the registration document. The New Black Panther Party has offered a $10,000 bounty for Zimmerman’s capture.

thank you for this. all should read it.